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Illokwent getting shit on at 20 imo.
Pretty sure dudes got W's against daddio.
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Illokwent getting shit on at 20 imo.
Pretty sure dudes got W's against daddio.
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Illokwent getting shit on at 20 imo.
Pretty sure dudes got W's against daddio.
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imo DaDDiO is over-rated. Great battler for sure, but comes in around #10 for me. His record is quite short relative to others around that level and not actually that impressive relative to the rest. Hugely respected and revered battler for sure, but not the GOAT.
ILLo beat DaDDiO when he was coming back and doing a run of a few battles after years of activity. It's a worthy victory that shows ILLo was above his peers (who DaDDiO smoked) but I wouldn't read too much into it, just like Lock's victory over DeNiro or RULE's victory over Lock. None of those battles were against the person in their prime.
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Illokwent getting shit on at 20 imo.
Pretty sure dudes got W's against daddio.
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imo DaDDiO is over-rated. Great battler for sure, but comes in around #10 for me. His record is quite short relative to others around that level and not actually that impressive relative to the rest. Hugely respected and revered battler for sure, but not the GOAT.
ILLo beat DaDDiO when he was coming back and doing a run of a few battles after years of activity. It's a worthy victory that shows ILLo was above his peers (who DaDDiO smoked) but I wouldn't read too much into it, just like Lock's victory over DeNiro or RULE's victory over Lock. None of those battles were against the person in their prime.
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imo DaDDiO is over-rated. Great battler for sure, but comes in around #10 for me. His record is quite short relative to others around that level and not actually that impressive relative to the rest. Hugely respected and revered battler for sure, but not the GOAT.
ILLo beat DaDDiO when he was coming back and doing a run of a few battles after years of activity. It's a worthy victory that shows ILLo was above his peers (who DaDDiO smoked) but I wouldn't read too much into it, just like Lock's victory over DeNiro or RULE's victory over Lock. None of those battles were against the person in their prime.
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I don't think that's fair to the challenger. Imo if you are ready to put out a verse you should have that verse stand for you period. Illo won that battle and it's not his fault daddio wasn't at his peak. That's on daddio.
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imo DaDDiO is over-rated. Great battler for sure, but comes in around #10 for me. His record is quite short relative to others around that level and not actually that impressive relative to the rest. Hugely respected and revered battler for sure, but not the GOAT.
ILLo beat DaDDiO when he was coming back and doing a run of a few battles after years of activity. It's a worthy victory that shows ILLo was above his peers (who DaDDiO smoked) but I wouldn't read too much into it, just like Lock's victory over DeNiro or RULE's victory over Lock. None of those battles were against the person in their prime.
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I don't think that's fair to the challenger. Imo if you are ready to put out a verse you should have that verse stand for you period. Illo won that battle and it's not his fault daddio wasn't at his peak. That's on daddio.
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I don't think that's fair to the challenger. Imo if you are ready to put out a verse you should have that verse stand for you period. Illo won that battle and it's not his fault daddio wasn't at his peak. That's on daddio.
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I'm not saying it doesn't count; but if someone like Real Talk or Illimit came back tomorrow I'm pretty confident I'd beat them (ie Rai beating OLDE ENGLISH 93–7), that doesn't make me top 10. It just means that styles and standards of battling and voting change significantly over time on LB, and what was dope in one era becomes poor in the next. That's why battlers that can adapt and continue to perform at the highest level across multiple eras (i.e. RULE for text, AllBoro for audio) or battlers whose original work continues to stand the test of time (i.e. UA) are the ones I put at the top of my lists.
Beating DaDDiO in his prime is something that is only possible for people who were active while DaDDiO was in his prime, that's just the nature of different eras of LB. Instead of his victory over DaDDiO I think you can judge ILLoKWENT by his two victories over Bleu in his prime, because that's who was around and at the top.
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I don't think that's fair to the challenger. Imo if you are ready to put out a verse you should have that verse stand for you period. Illo won that battle and it's not his fault daddio wasn't at his peak. That's on daddio.
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I'm not saying it doesn't count; but if someone like Real Talk or Illimit came back tomorrow I'm pretty confident I'd beat them (ie Rai beating OLDE ENGLISH 93–7), that doesn't make me top 10. It just means that styles and standards of battling and voting change significantly over time on LB, and what was dope in one era becomes poor in the next. That's why battlers that can adapt and continue to perform at the highest level across multiple eras (i.e. RULE for text, AllBoro for audio) or battlers whose original work continues to stand the test of time (i.e. UA) are the ones I put at the top of my lists.
Beating DaDDiO in his prime is something that is only possible for people who were active while DaDDiO was in his prime, that's just the nature of different eras of LB. Instead of his victory over DaDDiO I think you can judge ILLoKWENT by his two victories over Bleu in his prime, because that's who was around and at the top.
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It just means that styles and standards of battling and voting change significantly over time on LB, and what was dope in one era becomes poor in the next. That's why battlers that can adapt and continue to perform at the highest level across multiple eras (i.e. RULE for text, AllBoro for audio) or battlers whose original work continues to stand the test of time (i.e. UA) are the ones I put at the top of my lists.
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It just means that styles and standards of battling and voting change significantly over time on LB, and what was dope in one era becomes poor in the next. That's why battlers that can adapt and continue to perform at the highest level across multiple eras (i.e. RULE for text, AllBoro for audio) or battlers whose original work continues to stand the test of time (i.e. UA) are the ones I put at the top of my lists.
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It's based in the general sites perspective of someones talent during their time. I'm better than Illimit in a text battle with my eyes closed. But no one has ever considered me like they did him in his prime, nor did I have the accomplishments in battle he did.
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Also NawkOuts biggest win was Mayneak. He failed in any tournament he entered. He was 120-0 and never once faced any of the multiple huge names of his era.
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It's based in the general sites perspective of someones talent during their time. I'm better than Illimit in a text battle with my eyes closed. But no one has ever considered me like they did him in his prime, nor did I have the accomplishments in battle he did.
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Also NawkOuts biggest win was Mayneak. He failed in any tournament he entered. He was 120-0 and never once faced any of the multiple huge names of his era.
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It's based in the general sites perspective of someones talent during their time. I'm better than Illimit in a text battle with my eyes closed. But no one has ever considered me like they did him in his prime, nor did I have the accomplishments in battle he did.
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Also NawkOuts biggest win was Mayneak. He failed in any tournament he entered. He was 120-0 and never once faced any of the multiple huge names of his era.
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That makes sense...personally I'd base my list on skill..also NawkOut beat remark and it's still impressive to go 120-0 even if his notable wins are on upper mid/mid tier dudes
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It's based in the general sites perspective of someones talent during their time. I'm better than Illimit in a text battle with my eyes closed. But no one has ever considered me like they did him in his prime, nor did I have the accomplishments in battle he did.
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Also NawkOuts biggest win was Mayneak. He failed in any tournament he entered. He was 120-0 and never once faced any of the multiple huge names of his era.
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That makes sense...personally I'd base my list on skill..also NawkOut beat remark and it's still impressive to go 120-0 even if his notable wins are on upper mid/mid tier dudes
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That makes sense...personally I'd base my list on skill..also NawkOut beat remark and it's still impressive to go 120-0 even if his notable wins are on upper mid/mid tier dudes
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Was remarK still remarK then? I remember his weed-persona which he wasn't nearly as popular under. It's impressive for sure, but I went like 31-0, Manny is like 50-0, RR was 90-0. RULE is like 99-0. Conceited is like 70-0. It's not that hard when you're not battling the beat.
I did a skill list somewhere else in the thread.
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That makes sense...personally I'd base my list on skill..also NawkOut beat remark and it's still impressive to go 120-0 even if his notable wins are on upper mid/mid tier dudes
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Was remarK still remarK then? I remember his weed-persona which he wasn't nearly as popular under. It's impressive for sure, but I went like 31-0, Manny is like 50-0, RR was 90-0. RULE is like 99-0. Conceited is like 70-0. It's not that hard when you're not battling the beat.
I did a skill list somewhere else in the thread.
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