Dallas Shooting

[Esso]

Originally Posted by Celsius

So every police officer is either white or black?
I guess the Asians took all the office jobs then? lol

Anyways...you made some valid points just not too sure about your percentages.

90-10 was non black/black so that was irresponsible. According to goverment surverys, newsweek, and the DC and NY newspaper surveys with varying numbers, on average nationwide blacks make up 9-12% of the police force, whites makes up approximately 75-77%, other minorities fill out the rest. Shit's still obviously completely out of wack.

[Esso]

Originally Posted by Celsius

So every police officer is either white or black?
I guess the Asians took all the office jobs then? lol

Anyways...you made some valid points just not too sure about your percentages.

90-10 was non black/black so that was irresponsible. According to goverment surverys, newsweek, and the DC and NY newspaper surveys with varying numbers, on average nationwide blacks make up 9-12% of the police force, whites makes up approximately 75-77%, other minorities fill out the rest. Shit's still obviously completely out of wack.

Esso with those #BlackLivesMatter statistics. If you want the numbers to fulfil your agenda, they will.

A white person could say "How many of those police officers are from my neighbourhood?", "How many of those police officers grew up in my class system?" etc.

White people have no "collective" with other white people. Police never think "Oh, this guy's white, he's fine". A racist cop is probably just as likely to be a prick to a white person, because these guys are just that...pricks. They are pricks in pretty much every aspect of their lives. They will use someone being a minority as an excuse for abuse, but they would have found another excuse to abuse another person. That's what they do.

White people aren't conditioned to "believe in the system". White people face the same bullshit black people face from police officers. The reason it doesn't hit the news is because it doesn't play into the racial agenda which has taken over. After the Trayvon situation, if I'm correct there was a black man who said he would hit the first white person he seen, which happened to be an elderly white man who died. This didn't hit the news. The same day of the Mike Brown situation (That sweet and innocent youngster who had never done a thing wrong in his life) a black cop killed an unarmed non threat white guy and claimed racial profiling as his reason behind it. I've personally been dragged to the ground, completely innocent, by a police officer in a very similar fashion to what happened to Eric Garner.

Cops are random people. They are the same people that work in Starbucks and McDonalds. There is going to be loads of them that are pricks and incompetent. Loads of them with stupid beliefs and actions. Very rarely are these people delightful nice people....who just happen to be massively prejudiced and racist. For example, clearly George Zimmerman is a horrible human being, racist or not. PC culture dictates that race, gender and sexual orientation is more important than anything else. Instead of "Police officer murders teenager", the headline reads "White police officer murders black teenager". Is the race really important in a situation that murder occurred?


tl;dr? Fuck yo opinion.

Esso with those #BlackLivesMatter statistics. If you want the numbers to fulfil your agenda, they will.

A white person could say "How many of those police officers are from my neighbourhood?", "How many of those police officers grew up in my class system?" etc.

White people have no "collective" with other white people. Police never think "Oh, this guy's white, he's fine". A racist cop is probably just as likely to be a prick to a white person, because these guys are just that...pricks. They are pricks in pretty much every aspect of their lives. They will use someone being a minority as an excuse for abuse, but they would have found another excuse to abuse another person. That's what they do.

White people aren't conditioned to "believe in the system". White people face the same bullshit black people face from police officers. The reason it doesn't hit the news is because it doesn't play into the racial agenda which has taken over. After the Trayvon situation, if I'm correct there was a black man who said he would hit the first white person he seen, which happened to be an elderly white man who died. This didn't hit the news. The same day of the Mike Brown situation (That sweet and innocent youngster who had never done a thing wrong in his life) a black cop killed an unarmed non threat white guy and claimed racial profiling as his reason behind it. I've personally been dragged to the ground, completely innocent, by a police officer in a very similar fashion to what happened to Eric Garner.

Cops are random people. They are the same people that work in Starbucks and McDonalds. There is going to be loads of them that are pricks and incompetent. Loads of them with stupid beliefs and actions. Very rarely are these people delightful nice people....who just happen to be massively prejudiced and racist. For example, clearly George Zimmerman is a horrible human being, racist or not. PC culture dictates that race, gender and sexual orientation is more important than anything else. Instead of "Police officer murders teenager", the headline reads "White police officer murders black teenager". Is the race really important in a situation that murder occurred?


tl;dr? Fuck yo opinion.

Horrible situation, along with Philando castille and the other recent shooting.

Horrible situation, along with Philando castille and the other recent shooting.

[Esso]

Originally Posted by iCaL

Esso with those #BlackLivesMatter statistics. If you want the numbers to fulfil your agenda, they will.

A white person could say "How many of those police officers are from my neighbourhood?", "How many of those police officers grew up in my class system?" etc.

White people have no "collective" with other white people. Police never think "Oh, this guy's white, he's fine". A racist cop is probably just as likely to be a prick to a white person, because these guys are just that...pricks. They are pricks in pretty much every aspect of their lives. They will use someone being a minority as an excuse for abuse, but they would have found another excuse to abuse another person. That's what they do.

White people aren't conditioned to "believe in the system". White people face the same bullshit black people face from police officers. The reason it doesn't hit the news is because it doesn't play into the racial agenda which has taken over. After the Trayvon situation, if I'm correct there was a black man who said he would hit the first white person he seen, which happened to be an elderly white man who died. This didn't hit the news. The same day of the Mike Brown situation (That sweet and innocent youngster who had never done a thing wrong in his life) a black cop killed an unarmed non threat white guy and claimed racial profiling as his reason behind it. I've personally been dragged to the ground, completely innocent, by a police officer in a very similar fashion to what happened to Eric Garner.

Cops are random people. They are the same people that work in Starbucks and McDonalds. There is going to be loads of them that are pricks and incompetent. Loads of them with stupid beliefs and actions. Very rarely are these people delightful nice people....who just happen to be massively prejudiced and racist. For example, clearly George Zimmerman is a horrible human being, racist or not. PC culture dictates that race, gender and sexual orientation is more important than anything else. Instead of "Police officer murders teenager", the headline reads "White police officer murders black teenager". Is the race really important in a situation that murder occurred?


tl;dr? Fuck yo opinion.

numbers from govt agencies and newspapers...heres a few more.

You sound smart but come from a country that's 96% white and 3% Asian and .16% black....A racist cop in Scotland has literally 8000 black folks to pick out of 5.5 million population. Of course he's gonna be a prick to a white person because his chance of finding a black person to be a prick to is slim and none. There is barely an opportunity for racism to exist where you come from.....no offense, but your perspective isnt rational because youre essentially commenting from inside a bubble. Want real perspective? Walk around as a white dude with black friends around South Newark or the 4th in Paterson or any other dangerous, predominantly black neighborhood in this country....youll see and hear from the cops (who tell you to get out, you dont belong down here, stop associating with these hoodrats) , youll see and hear from the black folks living that reality (people who dont know you, automatically not trusting you because any white dude coming around gotta be undercover), you'll hear from other white people (Ive never been to that neighborhood because theyre animals living there. theyll kill you there). On the flip, theres towns outside the cities where "Driving While Black" seems to be an actual charge. Round here, the divide and the mistrust is real and its not going away anytime soon.

[Esso]

Originally Posted by iCaL

Esso with those #BlackLivesMatter statistics. If you want the numbers to fulfil your agenda, they will.

A white person could say "How many of those police officers are from my neighbourhood?", "How many of those police officers grew up in my class system?" etc.

White people have no "collective" with other white people. Police never think "Oh, this guy's white, he's fine". A racist cop is probably just as likely to be a prick to a white person, because these guys are just that...pricks. They are pricks in pretty much every aspect of their lives. They will use someone being a minority as an excuse for abuse, but they would have found another excuse to abuse another person. That's what they do.

White people aren't conditioned to "believe in the system". White people face the same bullshit black people face from police officers. The reason it doesn't hit the news is because it doesn't play into the racial agenda which has taken over. After the Trayvon situation, if I'm correct there was a black man who said he would hit the first white person he seen, which happened to be an elderly white man who died. This didn't hit the news. The same day of the Mike Brown situation (That sweet and innocent youngster who had never done a thing wrong in his life) a black cop killed an unarmed non threat white guy and claimed racial profiling as his reason behind it. I've personally been dragged to the ground, completely innocent, by a police officer in a very similar fashion to what happened to Eric Garner.

Cops are random people. They are the same people that work in Starbucks and McDonalds. There is going to be loads of them that are pricks and incompetent. Loads of them with stupid beliefs and actions. Very rarely are these people delightful nice people....who just happen to be massively prejudiced and racist. For example, clearly George Zimmerman is a horrible human being, racist or not. PC culture dictates that race, gender and sexual orientation is more important than anything else. Instead of "Police officer murders teenager", the headline reads "White police officer murders black teenager". Is the race really important in a situation that murder occurred?


tl;dr? Fuck yo opinion.

numbers from govt agencies and newspapers...heres a few more.

You sound smart but come from a country that's 96% white and 3% Asian and .16% black....A racist cop in Scotland has literally 8000 black folks to pick out of 5.5 million population. Of course he's gonna be a prick to a white person because his chance of finding a black person to be a prick to is slim and none. There is barely an opportunity for racism to exist where you come from.....no offense, but your perspective isnt rational because youre essentially commenting from inside a bubble. Want real perspective? Walk around as a white dude with black friends around South Newark or the 4th in Paterson or any other dangerous, predominantly black neighborhood in this country....youll see and hear from the cops (who tell you to get out, you dont belong down here, stop associating with these hoodrats) , youll see and hear from the black folks living that reality (people who dont know you, automatically not trusting you because any white dude coming around gotta be undercover), you'll hear from other white people (Ive never been to that neighborhood because theyre animals living there. theyll kill you there). On the flip, theres towns outside the cities where "Driving While Black" seems to be an actual charge. Round here, the divide and the mistrust is real and its not going away anytime soon.

Originally Posted by Esso

numbers from govt agencies and newspapers...heres a few more.

You sound smart but come from a country that's 96% white and 3% Asian and .16% black....A racist cop in Scotland has literally 8000 black folks to pick out of 5.5 million population. Of course he's gonna be a prick to a white person because his chance of finding a black person to be a prick to is slim and none. There is barely an opportunity for racism to exist where you come from.....no offense, but your perspective isnt rational because youre essentially commenting from inside a bubble. Want real perspective? Walk around as a white dude with black friends around South Newark or the 4th in Paterson or any other dangerous, predominantly black neighborhood in this country....youll see and hear from the cops (who tell you to get out, you dont belong down here, stop associating with these hoodrats) , youll see and hear from the black folks living that reality (people who dont know you, automatically not trusting you because any white dude coming around gotta be undercover), you'll hear from other white people (Ive never been to that neighborhood because theyre animals living there. theyll kill you there). On the flip, theres towns outside the cities where "Driving While Black" seems to be an actual charge. Round here, the divide and the mistrust is real and its not going away anytime soon.

I can reply with any amount of government numbers. The % of black people that are criminals is HUGE compared to the % of white people that are criminals in America...but this means nothing. There are so many more factors in there that this stupid logic of taking numbers and using them to explain an entire thing isn't enough. It's not, pardon the pun, black and white. Some people actually believe the high numbers of black criminals is a racial thing...as if black people are inherently more violent or something idiotic like that. They are using the statistics the same way you are, using them to push an agenda when really there's a lot more to the numbers.

Don't white people have "privilege" and never get pulled over in their car? So more black people get pulled over than white people...yet more white people die? Huh? (That first part isn't a fact, but it's the type of bullshit #BlackLivesMatter logic).

I completely don't use Scotland (or Ireland) as a reference point. You don't need experience to comment on things, and if anything experiences might cloud someone's judgement.

White people typically will deal with the same bullshit that black people will in America. Racist cops don't come in higher numbers than dickhead and unfair cops overall, who don't discriminate in their negativity and hatred of random people. In some specific areas, alright race will absolutely be a higher issue. But right now in America, well just google "White privilege" and you can see for yourself. An example, on the back of your driving while black statement, is "You know that getting pulled over by the police isn't a result of your race". Oh, well, that makes it just alright then. As long as it's not a racial issue...it's almost like you never got pulled over then eh? It's being put across that race (and more recently, gender and whatever the word 'cis' is in reference to) is the only actual crime possible. If 10 white people get pulled over, that's "routine" and just the cops doing their job. If 10 black people get pulled over, that's racial profiling and a horrendous thing to do. It doesn't matter that the exact same amount of white people got pulled over, that's apparently irrelevant.

My only real point was, racism is fucking nothing. There's people out there using this shooting as an example of why black people are horrible, using dickheads on twitter praising it as some sort of proof of something. This is the exact same reflection of things the BlackLivesMatter folks do in reverse. Everything gets pointed at race...but who gives a fuck about race...this cunts a fucking murderer. That's a bit more serious than a racist.

The one plus side is that you cited Scotland and not my race as the reason I haven't experienced it. It's always quite funny when people say "You don't know about racism, you're white". Yeah, cause dismissing an entire opinion based on someone's skin colour is completely tolerant and nice, good job person

Racism is just something that fucking annoys me. It's become an excuse as opposed to a crime. People talking about being oppressed as if they had the same issues their great grand parents did and shit. Almost every single racial issue (or feminist issue, or sexual/gender identity issue) is easily refuted by pointing to similar issues that even "white cis males" face in tonnes of situations, but there's no way there's ever making a film about a white guy fighting to get into the Black Panther's (Men of Honour), complaining that there's not enough diversity in a film like Friday or the story of a man who is working so hard to get into Curves (Million Dollar Baby).

On the plus side, races and genders are getting so hipster that they are turning on each other.

Originally Posted by Esso

numbers from govt agencies and newspapers...heres a few more.

You sound smart but come from a country that's 96% white and 3% Asian and .16% black....A racist cop in Scotland has literally 8000 black folks to pick out of 5.5 million population. Of course he's gonna be a prick to a white person because his chance of finding a black person to be a prick to is slim and none. There is barely an opportunity for racism to exist where you come from.....no offense, but your perspective isnt rational because youre essentially commenting from inside a bubble. Want real perspective? Walk around as a white dude with black friends around South Newark or the 4th in Paterson or any other dangerous, predominantly black neighborhood in this country....youll see and hear from the cops (who tell you to get out, you dont belong down here, stop associating with these hoodrats) , youll see and hear from the black folks living that reality (people who dont know you, automatically not trusting you because any white dude coming around gotta be undercover), you'll hear from other white people (Ive never been to that neighborhood because theyre animals living there. theyll kill you there). On the flip, theres towns outside the cities where "Driving While Black" seems to be an actual charge. Round here, the divide and the mistrust is real and its not going away anytime soon.

I can reply with any amount of government numbers. The % of black people that are criminals is HUGE compared to the % of white people that are criminals in America...but this means nothing. There are so many more factors in there that this stupid logic of taking numbers and using them to explain an entire thing isn't enough. It's not, pardon the pun, black and white. Some people actually believe the high numbers of black criminals is a racial thing...as if black people are inherently more violent or something idiotic like that. They are using the statistics the same way you are, using them to push an agenda when really there's a lot more to the numbers.

Don't white people have "privilege" and never get pulled over in their car? So more black people get pulled over than white people...yet more white people die? Huh? (That first part isn't a fact, but it's the type of bullshit #BlackLivesMatter logic).

I completely don't use Scotland (or Ireland) as a reference point. You don't need experience to comment on things, and if anything experiences might cloud someone's judgement.

White people typically will deal with the same bullshit that black people will in America. Racist cops don't come in higher numbers than dickhead and unfair cops overall, who don't discriminate in their negativity and hatred of random people. In some specific areas, alright race will absolutely be a higher issue. But right now in America, well just google "White privilege" and you can see for yourself. An example, on the back of your driving while black statement, is "You know that getting pulled over by the police isn't a result of your race". Oh, well, that makes it just alright then. As long as it's not a racial issue...it's almost like you never got pulled over then eh? It's being put across that race (and more recently, gender and whatever the word 'cis' is in reference to) is the only actual crime possible. If 10 white people get pulled over, that's "routine" and just the cops doing their job. If 10 black people get pulled over, that's racial profiling and a horrendous thing to do. It doesn't matter that the exact same amount of white people got pulled over, that's apparently irrelevant.

My only real point was, racism is fucking nothing. There's people out there using this shooting as an example of why black people are horrible, using dickheads on twitter praising it as some sort of proof of something. This is the exact same reflection of things the BlackLivesMatter folks do in reverse. Everything gets pointed at race...but who gives a fuck about race...this cunts a fucking murderer. That's a bit more serious than a racist.

The one plus side is that you cited Scotland and not my race as the reason I haven't experienced it. It's always quite funny when people say "You don't know about racism, you're white". Yeah, cause dismissing an entire opinion based on someone's skin colour is completely tolerant and nice, good job person

Racism is just something that fucking annoys me. It's become an excuse as opposed to a crime. People talking about being oppressed as if they had the same issues their great grand parents did and shit. Almost every single racial issue (or feminist issue, or sexual/gender identity issue) is easily refuted by pointing to similar issues that even "white cis males" face in tonnes of situations, but there's no way there's ever making a film about a white guy fighting to get into the Black Panther's (Men of Honour), complaining that there's not enough diversity in a film like Friday or the story of a man who is working so hard to get into Curves (Million Dollar Baby).

On the plus side, races and genders are getting so hipster that they are turning on each other.

Originally Posted by iCaL

Don't white people have "privilege" and never get pulled over in their car? So more black people get pulled over than white people...yet more white people die? Huh? (That first part isn't a fact, but it's the type of bullshit #BlackLivesMatter logic).

Yes lol, thats a very real thing here. Most white people aren't privilege cognizant though. It's easy to overlook some advantages of being white in US. I'm not saying all white people have easy lives or that my life is a struggle lol. Theres plenty of white people that have a waaaaay harder life than me. All I'm saying is I can give you a lot of examples- just little things i've seen here and there -of white privilege in work.

Originally Posted by iCaL

Don't white people have "privilege" and never get pulled over in their car? So more black people get pulled over than white people...yet more white people die? Huh? (That first part isn't a fact, but it's the type of bullshit #BlackLivesMatter logic).

Yes lol, thats a very real thing here. Most white people aren't privilege cognizant though. It's easy to overlook some advantages of being white in US. I'm not saying all white people have easy lives or that my life is a struggle lol. Theres plenty of white people that have a waaaaay harder life than me. All I'm saying is I can give you a lot of examples- just little things i've seen here and there -of white privilege in work.

You mean to tell me that a marginalized, and recurrently targeted sub-sect of the populous acted out against those who target them???


Shocking.

You mean to tell me that a marginalized, and recurrently targeted sub-sect of the populous acted out against those who target them???


Shocking.

Originally Posted by Dean

Yes lol, thats a very real thing here. Most white people aren't privilege cognizant though. It's easy to overlook some advantages of being white in US. I'm not saying all white people have easy lives or that my life is a struggle lol. Theres plenty of white people that have a waaaaay harder life than me. All I'm saying is I can give you a lot of examples- just little things i've seen here and there -of white privilege in work.

Black man to white man: "You have white privilege"
Skinny woman to black man: "You have male privilege"
Fat woman to skinny woman: "You have skinny privilege"
Trans woman to fat woman: "You have cis privilege"
Gay white man to trans woman: "You have straight privilege"
Black man to gay white man: "You have white privilege"

You've seen some black people deal with things some white people haven't. Cool. Have you seen some things white people have dealt with that black people havent? Privilege isn't a racial thing. It doesn't exist in bulk. It exists in individual cases. You going to tell me that some black kid growing up in Bel Air to rich parents is at a disadvantage to some white kid who's parents raped them and threw them out on the streets...cause of their race?

Everybody deals with different shit. We've heard all the white privilege shit yeah? Well how about we flip it...



Black privilege is being able to be proud of your race without being branded as a racist.

Black privilege is being able to take advantage of affirmative action to gain easier spots in colleges or jobs.

Black privilege is to be able to claim that no matter what you do, it is impossible that it is a racist act.

Black privilege is being able to condemn white people for the actions of their ancestors 70 years ago.

Black privilege is praised for experimenting with new genres of music, but claiming white people are "taking your culture" if they enter hip hop.

Black privilege is never having people assume you got handed everything in life due to your race if you are successful.

Black privilege is having outrage from all races when a crime is committed upon a person of your skin colour.

Black privilege is glorifying people like Malcom X or Muhammad Ali who were known racists.

Black privilege is having an award ceremony and television station to represent your racial culture.

Black privilege is having "white privilege" being a taught subject in universities.




Now, do I care about any of this? Absolutely not. This is just a consequence of evolution. Things developed this way. But tell me, can you refute any of that as true...and even more so...how fucking annoyed were you reading it? You feel like I'm saying "You black folks have it all" don't you? Fucking annoying to feel like someone would quickly refute any success or progression you ever have as nothing more than to do with your race eh? Well...welcome to the world of being told you're privileged.

Really, different people in different places face different shit. People just mistake everything for the class structure. Who gets pulled over first, black man in a tuxedo walking down Hollywood, or white kid in Fubu walking down the NY projects? No doubt, because of past racism there is a gulf in earnings between white and black people overall. The "ghettos" are still majorly filled with black people. I'm split on this. On one side, it's rough because you're being born into a horrible situation as a result of racism which was committed decades ago. On the other side...it's on you. You're an individual. You don't have to go out, sell drugs and get involved in gangs just because you were raised in a rough area. It's hard to be able to unlock that intelligence when your schools are terrible and your family are on drugs, but at the end of the day by the time you're a grown man...it's up to you to get yourself out of that situation. PLENTY of black people took their bad situation, worked hard and have went on to have success in every field. Doctors, teachers, lawyers, musicians, artists, architects, athletes etc. You can't use your race as a defence when the black man next to you didn't let it hold him back you know? (Not speaking to you personally, just a figurative black man born in a low income area).

It's the same everywhere. You get born poor, you face more challenges. In some areas in America, the poor areas are majorly filled with "minorities". This is true. But that doesn't mean right now anyone's holding those people down and oppressing them. As it is for white people and people of all colours, if you want to make shit happen that's on you.

---------- Post added at 11:43 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:38 PM ----------

Originally Posted by Rant

You mean to tell me that a marginalized, and recurrently targeted sub-sect of the populous acted out against those who target them???


Shocking.

Horrible logic. Essentially, you have just completely okayed police officers to slay innocent black people because the police officers were made a marginalised, targeted sub sect of the populous who should now be able to act out against those who target them.

Those cops were people with a job. You wanted to be a pro wrestler right? Well a lot of pro wrestlers have been involved in rape in the past. This makes you a rapist now.

Sure, there's some horrible fucker cops out there. Plenty of racist ones to boot. So does this make it okay to murder random ones at will because they chose a specific occupation?

Originally Posted by Dean

Yes lol, thats a very real thing here. Most white people aren't privilege cognizant though. It's easy to overlook some advantages of being white in US. I'm not saying all white people have easy lives or that my life is a struggle lol. Theres plenty of white people that have a waaaaay harder life than me. All I'm saying is I can give you a lot of examples- just little things i've seen here and there -of white privilege in work.

Black man to white man: "You have white privilege"
Skinny woman to black man: "You have male privilege"
Fat woman to skinny woman: "You have skinny privilege"
Trans woman to fat woman: "You have cis privilege"
Gay white man to trans woman: "You have straight privilege"
Black man to gay white man: "You have white privilege"

You've seen some black people deal with things some white people haven't. Cool. Have you seen some things white people have dealt with that black people havent? Privilege isn't a racial thing. It doesn't exist in bulk. It exists in individual cases. You going to tell me that some black kid growing up in Bel Air to rich parents is at a disadvantage to some white kid who's parents raped them and threw them out on the streets...cause of their race?

Everybody deals with different shit. We've heard all the white privilege shit yeah? Well how about we flip it...



Black privilege is being able to be proud of your race without being branded as a racist.

Black privilege is being able to take advantage of affirmative action to gain easier spots in colleges or jobs.

Black privilege is to be able to claim that no matter what you do, it is impossible that it is a racist act.

Black privilege is being able to condemn white people for the actions of their ancestors 70 years ago.

Black privilege is praised for experimenting with new genres of music, but claiming white people are "taking your culture" if they enter hip hop.

Black privilege is never having people assume you got handed everything in life due to your race if you are successful.

Black privilege is having outrage from all races when a crime is committed upon a person of your skin colour.

Black privilege is glorifying people like Malcom X or Muhammad Ali who were known racists.

Black privilege is having an award ceremony and television station to represent your racial culture.

Black privilege is having "white privilege" being a taught subject in universities.




Now, do I care about any of this? Absolutely not. This is just a consequence of evolution. Things developed this way. But tell me, can you refute any of that as true...and even more so...how fucking annoyed were you reading it? You feel like I'm saying "You black folks have it all" don't you? Fucking annoying to feel like someone would quickly refute any success or progression you ever have as nothing more than to do with your race eh? Well...welcome to the world of being told you're privileged.

Really, different people in different places face different shit. People just mistake everything for the class structure. Who gets pulled over first, black man in a tuxedo walking down Hollywood, or white kid in Fubu walking down the NY projects? No doubt, because of past racism there is a gulf in earnings between white and black people overall. The "ghettos" are still majorly filled with black people. I'm split on this. On one side, it's rough because you're being born into a horrible situation as a result of racism which was committed decades ago. On the other side...it's on you. You're an individual. You don't have to go out, sell drugs and get involved in gangs just because you were raised in a rough area. It's hard to be able to unlock that intelligence when your schools are terrible and your family are on drugs, but at the end of the day by the time you're a grown man...it's up to you to get yourself out of that situation. PLENTY of black people took their bad situation, worked hard and have went on to have success in every field. Doctors, teachers, lawyers, musicians, artists, architects, athletes etc. You can't use your race as a defence when the black man next to you didn't let it hold him back you know? (Not speaking to you personally, just a figurative black man born in a low income area).

It's the same everywhere. You get born poor, you face more challenges. In some areas in America, the poor areas are majorly filled with "minorities". This is true. But that doesn't mean right now anyone's holding those people down and oppressing them. As it is for white people and people of all colours, if you want to make shit happen that's on you.

---------- Post added at 11:43 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:38 PM ----------

Originally Posted by Rant

You mean to tell me that a marginalized, and recurrently targeted sub-sect of the populous acted out against those who target them???


Shocking.

Horrible logic. Essentially, you have just completely okayed police officers to slay innocent black people because the police officers were made a marginalised, targeted sub sect of the populous who should now be able to act out against those who target them.

Those cops were people with a job. You wanted to be a pro wrestler right? Well a lot of pro wrestlers have been involved in rape in the past. This makes you a rapist now.

Sure, there's some horrible fucker cops out there. Plenty of racist ones to boot. So does this make it okay to murder random ones at will because they chose a specific occupation?

You've seen some black people deal with things some white people haven't. Cool. Have you seen some things white people have dealt with that black people havent? Privilege isn't a racial thing. It doesn't exist in bulk. It exists in individual cases. You going to tell me that some black kid growing up in Bel Air to rich parents is at a disadvantage to some white kid who's parents raped them and threw them out on the streets...cause of their race?



What? It absolutely can be a racial thing. Obviously, privilege isn't just limited to race but the color of your skin definitely can grant you advantages.

-When your looking at most television shows, historical figures, newspapers, video games, greeting cards, exd. Majority of the time you can expect to find white people.

-When your in history class learning about civilization, you're going to learn that people of your race basically made it what it is.

^These might not seem like much, but they can play a huge effect in shaping a person's worldview.


Yes, everybody has their own shit. I completely agree. For example, I have a cousin that's gay. Never in my life did I have to worry about people accepting me for my sexual orientation. On the contrary, he has. That's a huge privilege I have, and it's important that I 'understand' and bring attention to those kind of advantages/privileges.




Everybody deals with different shit. We've heard all the white privilege shit yeah? Well how about we flip it...

You asked me if I could refute any of these lol. a lot of these stuff would start a completely different conversation, but I picked out some of them because they aren't exactly black privileges.




Black privilege is never having to assume you got everything handed to you because of your race.

Never? This one made me cringe lol. "Oh, you got accepted into a good college?....that's only because your black" or "Oh, your a star athlete?...Well, if I was black I'd be as good as you too." I can't tell you how many of my friends think I got academic scholarships, only because I'm black or that I get graded easier because of my race.

Black privilege is having an award ceremony and television station to represent your racial culture.

lol this is like complaining about blackpeoplemeet.com or black history month. Once again, you see white people EVERYWHERE. They are represented on almost every level. I could easily find a television station(s) where majority of people represented are white.

Black privilege is having "white privilege" being a taught subject in universities.

Yes, this is a very important issue that has major impacts in society. I don't understand why this wouldn't be taught. (We have discussions about the fairness of affirmative action for minorities in college too) On a side note, not all privileges are the weighted the same- the advantages you receive from being white aren't as powerful as the advantages you can receive from being right-handed, so we don't cover every type of privilege.




I know, I have MANY privileges that other people don't, ranging from economic status to being a male. I'm not denying that at all. However, some of the advantages people receive are very significant (some being life threatening) so it's important that I understand that these advantages exist.

And white privilege shouldn't be used to say all white people have it easy/ used to say white people are racist/ used to defend every black person that isn't successful/ used to say that black people have harder lives blah blah blah...

No. That's besides the point. It's just important to, whether you believe it or not, understand that race is still an issue and to be able to openly discuss the effects of certain racial privileges.

And in response to the example of the rich bel air black kid and poor white kid that was raped, the poor white kid would still receive some privileges for the color of his skin- no matter his economic status. That's not saying that's he's at an advantage to the black kid. White priv doesn't automatically grant all white people easier lives. The black kid, most likely, would have an obvious advantage...probably a way easier life, compared to the the white kid. That doesn't mean that wp doesn't exist though.

You've seen some black people deal with things some white people haven't. Cool. Have you seen some things white people have dealt with that black people havent? Privilege isn't a racial thing. It doesn't exist in bulk. It exists in individual cases. You going to tell me that some black kid growing up in Bel Air to rich parents is at a disadvantage to some white kid who's parents raped them and threw them out on the streets...cause of their race?



What? It absolutely can be a racial thing. Obviously, privilege isn't just limited to race but the color of your skin definitely can grant you advantages.

-When your looking at most television shows, historical figures, newspapers, video games, greeting cards, exd. Majority of the time you can expect to find white people.

-When your in history class learning about civilization, you're going to learn that people of your race basically made it what it is.

^These might not seem like much, but they can play a huge effect in shaping a person's worldview.


Yes, everybody has their own shit. I completely agree. For example, I have a cousin that's gay. Never in my life did I have to worry about people accepting me for my sexual orientation. On the contrary, he has. That's a huge privilege I have, and it's important that I 'understand' and bring attention to those kind of advantages/privileges.




Everybody deals with different shit. We've heard all the white privilege shit yeah? Well how about we flip it...

You asked me if I could refute any of these lol. a lot of these stuff would start a completely different conversation, but I picked out some of them because they aren't exactly black privileges.




Black privilege is never having to assume you got everything handed to you because of your race.

Never? This one made me cringe lol. "Oh, you got accepted into a good college?....that's only because your black" or "Oh, your a star athlete?...Well, if I was black I'd be as good as you too." I can't tell you how many of my friends think I got academic scholarships, only because I'm black or that I get graded easier because of my race.

Black privilege is having an award ceremony and television station to represent your racial culture.

lol this is like complaining about blackpeoplemeet.com or black history month. Once again, you see white people EVERYWHERE. They are represented on almost every level. I could easily find a television station(s) where majority of people represented are white.

Black privilege is having "white privilege" being a taught subject in universities.

Yes, this is a very important issue that has major impacts in society. I don't understand why this wouldn't be taught. (We have discussions about the fairness of affirmative action for minorities in college too) On a side note, not all privileges are the weighted the same- the advantages you receive from being white aren't as powerful as the advantages you can receive from being right-handed, so we don't cover every type of privilege.




I know, I have MANY privileges that other people don't, ranging from economic status to being a male. I'm not denying that at all. However, some of the advantages people receive are very significant (some being life threatening) so it's important that I understand that these advantages exist.

And white privilege shouldn't be used to say all white people have it easy/ used to say white people are racist/ used to defend every black person that isn't successful/ used to say that black people have harder lives blah blah blah...

No. That's besides the point. It's just important to, whether you believe it or not, understand that race is still an issue and to be able to openly discuss the effects of certain racial privileges.

And in response to the example of the rich bel air black kid and poor white kid that was raped, the poor white kid would still receive some privileges for the color of his skin- no matter his economic status. That's not saying that's he's at an advantage to the black kid. White priv doesn't automatically grant all white people easier lives. The black kid, most likely, would have an obvious advantage...probably a way easier life, compared to the the white kid. That doesn't mean that wp doesn't exist though.

Originally Posted by Dean

What? It absolutely can be a racial thing. Obviously, privilege isn't just limited to race but the color of your skin definitely can grant you advantages.

Agreed. It can give you advantages. Like the examples I gave where a black person could gain an advantage. People gain different advantages from each other. White people don't gain blanket advantages over black people, and visa versa. People have their own individual privileges based on a large number of things.

Originally Posted by Dean

-When your looking at most television shows, historical figures, newspapers, video games, greeting cards, exd. Majority of the time you can expect to find white people.

Disagreed. I've only ever had an extremely positive media reaction to black people and have only ever seen them do amazing and successful things

Originally Posted by Dean

-When your in history class learning about civilization, you're going to learn that people of your race basically made it what it is.

I never once learned about Scottish civilisation. I learned about the romans mainly in "civilisation". I'm white, the romans are white. Cool. Do you think I have ANY cultural connection to a Roman? A lot of people assume white people care about other white people. I have absolutely NO connection to a Russian person based on skin colour. We're from completely different parts of the world and have ZERO similarities culturally. Us being white has NO similarities at all. I've never been taught that my culture has ever really done anything successful. I don't see a depiction of Jesus and think "White men killing it out there". I don't feel like me and whatever race Jesus was or was not is anything close to whatever I am.

Originally Posted by dean

^These might not seem like much, but they can play a huge effect in shaping a person's worldview.

I feel, and this is a generalization and you can correct me on it, that black people are often put down by their own culture. I've read some white privilege things saying "White people can walk into a building without people thinking they have a gun on them". Who the fuck thinks that? I can't imagine white people ever think a well dressed respectable looking black man "likely has a gun on him" but it's common place for black people to feel the world views them like this. Someone from the BLM movement the other day in London said "People see a group of black teenagers and cross the street". In London, people will often cross the street if they see a group of teenagers of any creed or culture, but it appears to me that many people feel that the black race specifically are treated like this BECAUSE of their race, which simply isn't the overall case.

Originally Posted by Dean;1114651[I

Yes, everybody has their own shit. I completely agree. For example, I have a cousin that's gay. Never in my life did I have to worry about people accepting me for my sexual orientation. On the contrary, he has. That's a huge privilege I have, and it's important that I 'understand' and bring attention to those kind of advantages/privileges.[/I]

But because you are straight doesn't mean you automatically have been more privileged than your cousin. Plenty of gay people have faced very little homophobia in their lives and have been accepted by everyone they've ever been around. On the contrary, plenty of straight people may have faced some serious problems due to their sexuality. You can't say someone has a privilege over someone else based on a blanket statement like race, gender or sexuality. Privilege is a specific and case by case personal thing.


Everybody deals with different shit. We've heard all the white privilege shit yeah? Well how about we flip it...

You asked me if I could refute any of these lol. a lot of these stuff would start a completely different conversation, but I picked out some of them because they aren't exactly black privileges.

Originally Posted by Dean;1114651Black privilege is never having to assume you got everything handed to you because of your race.

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Never? This one made me cringe lol. "Oh, you got accepted into a good college?....that's only because your black" or "Oh, your a star athlete?...Well, if I was black I'd be as good as you too." I can't tell you how many of my friends think I got academic scholarships, only because I'm black or that I get graded easier because of my race.
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Now you're getting the point. Almost all of these examples of "privilege" work both ways. I picked common examples. I don't care or believe in them specifically. Everyone faces their own shit. I can't say to a black guy who didn't get into college "Black people get into college easier so you're privileged". He didnt. He didnt get that privilege. Him being black didn't afford him that privilege, as is the case with most "white privilege".

Originally Posted by Dean;1114651Black privilege is having an award ceremony and television station to represent your racial culture.

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lol this is like complaining about blackpeoplemeet.com or black history month. Once again, you see white people EVERYWHERE. They are represented on almost every level. I could easily find a television station(s) where majority of people represented are white.
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Black people are everywhere too. I click on the music channel, if it's not Iggy Azzealia it's a black artist. Which means nothing. Plenty of talented black people are out there right now and that's fine. But these days there's so much positive representation of black people that you can't use this example.

I do complain about shit like blackpeoplemeet.com. I once went onto blackplanet.com. A thread was "Why don't you like white people?". Most people said "Cause we have nothing in common". I mean these lads are talking about rap music, rap battling, Friday....I'm pretty sure I know more than 90% of the site on all of the topics they'd be discussing. Bunch of Soulja Boi fans saying white people don't know about rap and shit.

Originally Posted by Dean;1114651Black privilege is having "white privilege" being a taught subject in universities.

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Yes, this is a very important issue that has major impacts in society. I don't understand why this wouldn't be taught. (We have discussions about the fairness of affirmative action in college too) On a side note, not all privileges are the weighted the same- the advantages you receive from being white aren't as powerful as the advantages you can receive from being right-handed, so we don't cover every type of privilege.[/I]

It's an issue because it's segregation...but it's not an issue because racism WAS a big issue, and by allowing more black people into universities it means that it gives more opportunities to people who might not have got them otherwise. Also...please...PLEASE....don't say right handed privilege again. The internet just DOESNT need that.

Originally Posted by Dean;1114651[B

I know, I have MANY privileges that other people don't, ranging from economic status to being a male. I'm not denying that at all. However, some of the advantages people receive are very significant (some being life threatening) so it's important that I understand that these advantages exist.

And white privilege shouldn't be used to say all white people have it easy/ used to say why white people are racist/ used to defend every black person that isn't successful/ used to say why all black people have harder lives bra blah blah...

No. That's besides the point. It's just important to, whether you believe it or not, understand that race is still an issue and to be able to openly discuss the effects of certain racial privileges.[/B]

I generally agree with most of the end of this. Acknowledging that you have it easier in people can be great to allow you to appreciate what you have and let you understanding other people's points of view. But look around...how often do you hear about "able bodied privilege" Vs "white privilege". People are telling white people to "check their privilege", claiming "black people can't be racist" and "black privilege doesnt exist" all the while wandering around on two legs thinking they have it hard and not acknowledging their "able bodied privilege".

People don't want to admit they are privileged. I will admit that white people can have it easier than black people when black people admit they can have it easier than white people. Race is not THE most important thing. Really, it's not. People don't care about other privileges that they are in "receipt of". If I'm told to "check my white privilege", I want someone to "check their whatever privilege". I've never heard the BLM leader discuss people with mental or physical disabilities and how they are catered for in the country. He doesn't care. The important thing to him is fighting against police (whom he automatically assumes are white regardless of their actual race) and defending any exclusively black (no other race) person that is killed for any reason by the police.

People have their own privilege. Privilege isn't defined by race, gender, sex, birth gender identity etc. It's defined by the shit each person deals with. White privilege is the belief that white people don't ever face the problems anyone else does. Male privilege is the belief that males don't ever face the problems woman have. These problems are like "You don't have to deal with random stops in the airport" (I've been stopped every single time I ever flew 'randomly') or "Men don't have to fear being raped on the way home from the pub"...even though men have been raped before.

These blanket statements are only designed to separate people further. A black guy can't call a white guy privileged, because that black guy doesn't know that white guy. No one can call anyone who's live they don't know "privileged". You have to take it on an individual scenario. Has that white person actually benefited because they are white? Has that black person actually faced negativity because they are black? The Hayes Brothers did a good video saying they've never been oppressed by anyone and feel that if anything, they are more privileged than the majority of white people they've met.

Originally Posted by Dean

What? It absolutely can be a racial thing. Obviously, privilege isn't just limited to race but the color of your skin definitely can grant you advantages.

Agreed. It can give you advantages. Like the examples I gave where a black person could gain an advantage. People gain different advantages from each other. White people don't gain blanket advantages over black people, and visa versa. People have their own individual privileges based on a large number of things.

Originally Posted by Dean

-When your looking at most television shows, historical figures, newspapers, video games, greeting cards, exd. Majority of the time you can expect to find white people.

Disagreed. I've only ever had an extremely positive media reaction to black people and have only ever seen them do amazing and successful things

Originally Posted by Dean

-When your in history class learning about civilization, you're going to learn that people of your race basically made it what it is.

I never once learned about Scottish civilisation. I learned about the romans mainly in "civilisation". I'm white, the romans are white. Cool. Do you think I have ANY cultural connection to a Roman? A lot of people assume white people care about other white people. I have absolutely NO connection to a Russian person based on skin colour. We're from completely different parts of the world and have ZERO similarities culturally. Us being white has NO similarities at all. I've never been taught that my culture has ever really done anything successful. I don't see a depiction of Jesus and think "White men killing it out there". I don't feel like me and whatever race Jesus was or was not is anything close to whatever I am.

Originally Posted by dean

^These might not seem like much, but they can play a huge effect in shaping a person's worldview.

I feel, and this is a generalization and you can correct me on it, that black people are often put down by their own culture. I've read some white privilege things saying "White people can walk into a building without people thinking they have a gun on them". Who the fuck thinks that? I can't imagine white people ever think a well dressed respectable looking black man "likely has a gun on him" but it's common place for black people to feel the world views them like this. Someone from the BLM movement the other day in London said "People see a group of black teenagers and cross the street". In London, people will often cross the street if they see a group of teenagers of any creed or culture, but it appears to me that many people feel that the black race specifically are treated like this BECAUSE of their race, which simply isn't the overall case.

Originally Posted by Dean;1114651[I

Yes, everybody has their own shit. I completely agree. For example, I have a cousin that's gay. Never in my life did I have to worry about people accepting me for my sexual orientation. On the contrary, he has. That's a huge privilege I have, and it's important that I 'understand' and bring attention to those kind of advantages/privileges.[/I]

But because you are straight doesn't mean you automatically have been more privileged than your cousin. Plenty of gay people have faced very little homophobia in their lives and have been accepted by everyone they've ever been around. On the contrary, plenty of straight people may have faced some serious problems due to their sexuality. You can't say someone has a privilege over someone else based on a blanket statement like race, gender or sexuality. Privilege is a specific and case by case personal thing.


Everybody deals with different shit. We've heard all the white privilege shit yeah? Well how about we flip it...

You asked me if I could refute any of these lol. a lot of these stuff would start a completely different conversation, but I picked out some of them because they aren't exactly black privileges.

Originally Posted by Dean;1114651Black privilege is never having to assume you got everything handed to you because of your race.

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Never? This one made me cringe lol. "Oh, you got accepted into a good college?....that's only because your black" or "Oh, your a star athlete?...Well, if I was black I'd be as good as you too." I can't tell you how many of my friends think I got academic scholarships, only because I'm black or that I get graded easier because of my race.
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Now you're getting the point. Almost all of these examples of "privilege" work both ways. I picked common examples. I don't care or believe in them specifically. Everyone faces their own shit. I can't say to a black guy who didn't get into college "Black people get into college easier so you're privileged". He didnt. He didnt get that privilege. Him being black didn't afford him that privilege, as is the case with most "white privilege".

Originally Posted by Dean;1114651Black privilege is having an award ceremony and television station to represent your racial culture.

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lol this is like complaining about blackpeoplemeet.com or black history month. Once again, you see white people EVERYWHERE. They are represented on almost every level. I could easily find a television station(s) where majority of people represented are white.
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Black people are everywhere too. I click on the music channel, if it's not Iggy Azzealia it's a black artist. Which means nothing. Plenty of talented black people are out there right now and that's fine. But these days there's so much positive representation of black people that you can't use this example.

I do complain about shit like blackpeoplemeet.com. I once went onto blackplanet.com. A thread was "Why don't you like white people?". Most people said "Cause we have nothing in common". I mean these lads are talking about rap music, rap battling, Friday....I'm pretty sure I know more than 90% of the site on all of the topics they'd be discussing. Bunch of Soulja Boi fans saying white people don't know about rap and shit.

Originally Posted by Dean;1114651Black privilege is having "white privilege" being a taught subject in universities.

[I

Yes, this is a very important issue that has major impacts in society. I don't understand why this wouldn't be taught. (We have discussions about the fairness of affirmative action in college too) On a side note, not all privileges are the weighted the same- the advantages you receive from being white aren't as powerful as the advantages you can receive from being right-handed, so we don't cover every type of privilege.[/I]

It's an issue because it's segregation...but it's not an issue because racism WAS a big issue, and by allowing more black people into universities it means that it gives more opportunities to people who might not have got them otherwise. Also...please...PLEASE....don't say right handed privilege again. The internet just DOESNT need that.

Originally Posted by Dean;1114651[B

I know, I have MANY privileges that other people don't, ranging from economic status to being a male. I'm not denying that at all. However, some of the advantages people receive are very significant (some being life threatening) so it's important that I understand that these advantages exist.

And white privilege shouldn't be used to say all white people have it easy/ used to say why white people are racist/ used to defend every black person that isn't successful/ used to say why all black people have harder lives bra blah blah...

No. That's besides the point. It's just important to, whether you believe it or not, understand that race is still an issue and to be able to openly discuss the effects of certain racial privileges.[/B]

I generally agree with most of the end of this. Acknowledging that you have it easier in people can be great to allow you to appreciate what you have and let you understanding other people's points of view. But look around...how often do you hear about "able bodied privilege" Vs "white privilege". People are telling white people to "check their privilege", claiming "black people can't be racist" and "black privilege doesnt exist" all the while wandering around on two legs thinking they have it hard and not acknowledging their "able bodied privilege".

People don't want to admit they are privileged. I will admit that white people can have it easier than black people when black people admit they can have it easier than white people. Race is not THE most important thing. Really, it's not. People don't care about other privileges that they are in "receipt of". If I'm told to "check my white privilege", I want someone to "check their whatever privilege". I've never heard the BLM leader discuss people with mental or physical disabilities and how they are catered for in the country. He doesn't care. The important thing to him is fighting against police (whom he automatically assumes are white regardless of their actual race) and defending any exclusively black (no other race) person that is killed for any reason by the police.

People have their own privilege. Privilege isn't defined by race, gender, sex, birth gender identity etc. It's defined by the shit each person deals with. White privilege is the belief that white people don't ever face the problems anyone else does. Male privilege is the belief that males don't ever face the problems woman have. These problems are like "You don't have to deal with random stops in the airport" (I've been stopped every single time I ever flew 'randomly') or "Men don't have to fear being raped on the way home from the pub"...even though men have been raped before.

These blanket statements are only designed to separate people further. A black guy can't call a white guy privileged, because that black guy doesn't know that white guy. No one can call anyone who's live they don't know "privileged". You have to take it on an individual scenario. Has that white person actually benefited because they are white? Has that black person actually faced negativity because they are black? The Hayes Brothers did a good video saying they've never been oppressed by anyone and feel that if anything, they are more privileged than the majority of white people they've met.