Why is staff votes concealed? - Page 2 - Lets Beef

**NOBLE** · #11 07-20-2014, 07:58 PM

I wasn't around when it was coded so staff votes aren't visible, but I think some of the reasons and considerations that lead to that are still here. Many people take cues from mod votes and end up voting similarly either because they give more weight to staff opinion (thinking if they're a mod, they must know what they're talking about) or some people even think their vp may be lowered if their opinion differs from the staff members they had already seen commented. I know when I was a regular member and a staff member voted on my battle and it was obvious they voted for my opponent, I always thought "shit, now everyone's going to vote for him" and sometime, the results confirmed that assumption. Most of the time when I vote, I try to comment indirectly saying things like "one was this".."one had better jabs"..etc, even though I believe direct expos are much better for actually helping the battlers understand how their verses were perceived. I just don't want to sway the battle when it's obvious who I voted for. But anyone who's battle I vote on can always ask me privately who I voted for and what ratings I dropped and I will tell you.

**NOBLE** · 07-20-2014, 07:58 PM

I wasn't around when it was coded so staff votes aren't visible, but I think some of the reasons and considerations that lead to that are still here. Many people take cues from mod votes and end up voting similarly either because they give more weight to staff opinion (thinking if they're a mod, they must know what they're talking about) or some people even think their vp may be lowered if their opinion differs from the staff members they had already seen commented. I know when I was a regular member and a staff member voted on my battle and it was obvious they voted for my opponent, I always thought "shit, now everyone's going to vote for him" and sometime, the results confirmed that assumption. Most of the time when I vote, I try to comment indirectly saying things like "one was this".."one had better jabs"..etc, even though I believe direct expos are much better for actually helping the battlers understand how their verses were perceived. I just don't want to sway the battle when it's obvious who I voted for. But anyone who's battle I vote on can always ask me privately who I voted for and what ratings I dropped and I will tell you.

**DooX** · #12 07-20-2014, 08:12 PM

You could avoid all that...

Just make a new voting system.

Let say 4 people voted on a battle and you have not. Until you vote neither the comments or the vote should be revealed.

E.g
MC #1 Has already voted
MC #2 Has already voted
MC #3 Has already voted
MC #4 Has left a comment
and after you vote, they should be revealed.
MC #1 "mc A was better cuz of this and that"
MC #2 "My loser A lost cuz of this and that"
MC #3 "Fvgbvb"
MC #4 "Random crew comment, AC's..murda classick whateva"

**DooX** · 07-20-2014, 08:12 PM

You could avoid all that...

Just make a new voting system.

Let say 4 people voted on a battle and you have not. Until you vote neither the comments or the vote should be revealed.

E.g
MC #1 Has already voted
MC #2 Has already voted
MC #3 Has already voted
MC #4 Has left a comment
and after you vote, they should be revealed.
MC #1 "mc A was better cuz of this and that"
MC #2 "My loser A lost cuz of this and that"
MC #3 "Fvgbvb"
MC #4 "Random crew comment, AC's..murda classick whateva"

**AfterThought** · #13 07-20-2014, 08:40 PM

^Or an easier fix would be making all votes concealed period.

**AfterThought** · 07-20-2014, 08:40 PM

^Or an easier fix would be making all votes concealed period.

#14 07-20-2014, 08:55 PM

@NOBLE, sheep voting can't occur from this thread's topic because the votes would still be concealed until after the vote is cast. Rule of thumb is that we generally conceal our votes these days anyways, so making staff votes public in the same way normal votes are wouldn't be a bad thing.

@AfterThought, I've been wanting this for years. I understand why it was changed. People, like me, abused it to cheat or hate vote. But the number of battlers Vs mods is so much more even now. Back then it was near impossible for the staff to handle everything, but now we could have at most like 60 open battles. That's really leaving 20 battles open at most every day. With 5 mods, that means each only really has to keep an eye on 4 battles a day. VERY easily manageable. It also makes the battle sooo much more exciting to me. Back when I first started I was logging on on the dot for the time the battle would close. Now I know if I won or lost in like the first 3 hours of the battle opening.

07-20-2014, 08:55 PM

@NOBLE, sheep voting can't occur from this thread's topic because the votes would still be concealed until after the vote is cast. Rule of thumb is that we generally conceal our votes these days anyways, so making staff votes public in the same way normal votes are wouldn't be a bad thing.

@AfterThought, I've been wanting this for years. I understand why it was changed. People, like me, abused it to cheat or hate vote. But the number of battlers Vs mods is so much more even now. Back then it was near impossible for the staff to handle everything, but now we could have at most like 60 open battles. That's really leaving 20 battles open at most every day. With 5 mods, that means each only really has to keep an eye on 4 battles a day. VERY easily manageable. It also makes the battle sooo much more exciting to me. Back when I first started I was logging on on the dot for the time the battle would close. Now I know if I won or lost in like the first 3 hours of the battle opening.

**AfterThought** · #15 07-20-2014, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave

@NOBLE, sheep voting can't occur from this thread's topic because the votes would still be concealed until after the vote is cast. Rule of thumb is that we generally conceal our votes these days anyways, so making staff votes public in the same way normal votes are wouldn't be a bad thing.

@AfterThought, I've been wanting this for years. I understand why it was changed. People, like me, abused it to cheat or hate vote. But the number of battlers Vs mods is so much more even now. Back then it was near impossible for the staff to handle everything, but now we could have at most like 60 open battles. That's really leaving 20 battles open at most every day. With 5 mods, that means each only really has to keep an eye on 4 battles a day. VERY easily manageable. It also makes the battle sooo much more exciting to me. Back when I first started I was logging on on the dot for the time the battle would close. Now I know if I won or lost in like the first 3 hours of the battle opening.

Co-sign all that, it definitely add more excitement, and yeah we got enough mods for that.

**AfterThought** · 07-20-2014, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave

@NOBLE, sheep voting can't occur from this thread's topic because the votes would still be concealed until after the vote is cast. Rule of thumb is that we generally conceal our votes these days anyways, so making staff votes public in the same way normal votes are wouldn't be a bad thing.

@AfterThought, I've been wanting this for years. I understand why it was changed. People, like me, abused it to cheat or hate vote. But the number of battlers Vs mods is so much more even now. Back then it was near impossible for the staff to handle everything, but now we could have at most like 60 open battles. That's really leaving 20 battles open at most every day. With 5 mods, that means each only really has to keep an eye on 4 battles a day. VERY easily manageable. It also makes the battle sooo much more exciting to me. Back when I first started I was logging on on the dot for the time the battle would close. Now I know if I won or lost in like the first 3 hours of the battle opening.

Co-sign all that, it definitely add more excitement, and yeah we got enough mods for that.