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Originally Posted by Saxx

Technology will never match human logic......ever.

You're right, it will surpass it.

@Crysis, and that technological evolutionary facet is the very inherent flaw in the advancement of the technological movement of humanity that I menioned to you earlier. Human error will always be present in the condition of robotic programming. At what point, proceeding this event, does the analytical capacity of artificial intelligence deem us, then, a threat to its own progression?

Originally Posted by Saxx

Technology will never match human logic......ever.

You're right, it will surpass it.

@Crysis, and that technological evolutionary facet is the very inherent flaw in the advancement of the technological movement of humanity that I menioned to you earlier. Human error will always be present in the condition of robotic programming. At what point, proceeding this event, does the analytical capacity of artificial intelligence deem us, then, a threat to its own progression?

Originally Posted by Saxx

Technology will never match human logic......ever.

Technology will get there eventually. Computers smack up grandmasters in chess- mainly due to super fast calculations, though.

Originally Posted by Saxx

Technology will never match human logic......ever.

Technology will get there eventually. Computers smack up grandmasters in chess- mainly due to super fast calculations, though.

[Saxx]

No. A computer can do more calculations but will never have the unpredicatable capabilities that make the human brain so formidable. A computer cannot have experiences in life so it can't develop in that way either. For them to be able to do everything that a human can all that data would have to be inputted which would never happen.

[Saxx]

No. A computer can do more calculations but will never have the unpredicatable capabilities that make the human brain so formidable. A computer cannot have experiences in life so it can't develop in that way either. For them to be able to do everything that a human can all that data would have to be inputted which would never happen.

How can you say for certain that will never happen? People who lived thousands of years ago would probably say the same thing about a cell phone or airplane, had it been suggested to them.

How can you say for certain that will never happen? People who lived thousands of years ago would probably say the same thing about a cell phone or airplane, had it been suggested to them.

[Shodan]

I see no reason why it could not eventually happen. A human is just a very complex machine with very high calculation abilities which is very well programmed. We aren't perfect, and we are certainly not superior to any other possible machine.

[Shodan]

I see no reason why it could not eventually happen. A human is just a very complex machine with very high calculation abilities which is very well programmed. We aren't perfect, and we are certainly not superior to any other possible machine.

[Saxx]

True but lets say God created us. Would you argue that we were more intelligent than him?

If we could (which we won't) make an AI that was capable of doing EVERYTHING better than a human (won't happen) then surely we are better in the first place for even creating it!

Sure it can calculate quicker and blah blah but even though im not religious there is something inside a human visible or not that is very special and THAT 'thing' is something AI will never have.

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Will AI create a Mona Lisa? Or similar? Probably not. Even if it could could it decide whether it was "good or not"?

Just watch IRobot. Its a good film lol

[Saxx]

True but lets say God created us. Would you argue that we were more intelligent than him?

If we could (which we won't) make an AI that was capable of doing EVERYTHING better than a human (won't happen) then surely we are better in the first place for even creating it!

Sure it can calculate quicker and blah blah but even though im not religious there is something inside a human visible or not that is very special and THAT 'thing' is something AI will never have.

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Will AI create a Mona Lisa? Or similar? Probably not. Even if it could could it decide whether it was "good or not"?

Just watch IRobot. Its a good film lol

[Babylon]

Originally Posted by Saxx

True but lets say God created us. Would you argue that we were more intelligent than him?

If we could (which we won't) make an AI that was capable of doing EVERYTHING better than a human (won't happen) then surely we are better in the first place for even creating it!

Sure it can calculate quicker and blah blah but even though im not religious there is something inside a human visible or not that is very special and THAT 'thing' is something AI will never have.

God is a completely abstract thing to put into this argument, and is completely irrelevant as there is no evidence to support that simply because some type of deity created lifeforms that they are knowing in any other subject. Cheetas are faster than us, yet we are demonstrably better than Cheetas. This God figure you are implementing into the argument hypothetically created us, but that doesn't mean he measures up to the cognitive functions a human provides. Or any other attribute for that matter.

Think about it. Assembly lines were created to do the job better than human factory workers. Keyosks were created to do the job better than cash register workers at food restaurants. Drones were created to do the job better than pilots. Chess AI were created to do the job better than chest masters. You can program an artificial intelligence to do almost anything that a human can do better. Strings and variables can create spontaneous yet rational thought processes in quick-time events which require critical thinking so that the best actual choice is made.

That "thing" is emotional responses. Guess what? Just recently a robot was created to recreate and experience emotional and empathetic feelings corresponding to the things / people around him.

[Babylon]

Originally Posted by Saxx

True but lets say God created us. Would you argue that we were more intelligent than him?

If we could (which we won't) make an AI that was capable of doing EVERYTHING better than a human (won't happen) then surely we are better in the first place for even creating it!

Sure it can calculate quicker and blah blah but even though im not religious there is something inside a human visible or not that is very special and THAT 'thing' is something AI will never have.

God is a completely abstract thing to put into this argument, and is completely irrelevant as there is no evidence to support that simply because some type of deity created lifeforms that they are knowing in any other subject. Cheetas are faster than us, yet we are demonstrably better than Cheetas. This God figure you are implementing into the argument hypothetically created us, but that doesn't mean he measures up to the cognitive functions a human provides. Or any other attribute for that matter.

Think about it. Assembly lines were created to do the job better than human factory workers. Keyosks were created to do the job better than cash register workers at food restaurants. Drones were created to do the job better than pilots. Chess AI were created to do the job better than chest masters. You can program an artificial intelligence to do almost anything that a human can do better. Strings and variables can create spontaneous yet rational thought processes in quick-time events which require critical thinking so that the best actual choice is made.

That "thing" is emotional responses. Guess what? Just recently a robot was created to recreate and experience emotional and empathetic feelings corresponding to the things / people around him.

Pfft, it's all bullshit.

The computer AI doesn't even sense my claymores on COD Combat Training.

Pfft, it's all bullshit.

The computer AI doesn't even sense my claymores on COD Combat Training.

[Saxx]

This emotion was "fake" though. Thats what im getting at. When they cry and feel real pain. Then we'll talk.

Reference the chess thing. Its basically a mahematical game. Of course a computer will be better there's a finite number of moves you can do. Considering a processor can process millions of things in a blink of the eye it makes sense that AI will be better.

Football though....different story...try predicting what a footballer will do on a pitch....almost impossible.Even it knew every variable or possible action the player might do on pitch at any given time, it could be outsmarted by something stupid.

Lastly no one knows the capabilities of the human brain. We use so little of it and dont know how to use most of its capabilities anyway. I've heard of hypnotherapists that could get you to read the books on the shelves to them of a library you visited 10 years ago. The problem isn't our brains the problem is access.

[Saxx]

This emotion was "fake" though. Thats what im getting at. When they cry and feel real pain. Then we'll talk.

Reference the chess thing. Its basically a mahematical game. Of course a computer will be better there's a finite number of moves you can do. Considering a processor can process millions of things in a blink of the eye it makes sense that AI will be better.

Football though....different story...try predicting what a footballer will do on a pitch....almost impossible.Even it knew every variable or possible action the player might do on pitch at any given time, it could be outsmarted by something stupid.

Lastly no one knows the capabilities of the human brain. We use so little of it and dont know how to use most of its capabilities anyway. I've heard of hypnotherapists that could get you to read the books on the shelves to them of a library you visited 10 years ago. The problem isn't our brains the problem is access.

[Shodan]

Originally Posted by Saxx

This emotion was "fake" though. Thats what im getting at. When they cry and feel real pain. Then we'll talk.

Exactly! And who says they won't?

Reference the chess thing. Its basically a mahematical game. Of course a computer will be better there's a finite number of moves you can do. Considering a processor can process millions of things in a blink of the eye it makes sense that AI will be better.

There's also only a "finite number" of actions you can accomplish at any given moment. It just so happens that that number is much larger. Fortunately, humans come equipped with a "pruner" of sorts that lets us rule out clearly bad choices. I see no reason a computer could not get one of these.

Football though....different story...try predicting what a footballer will do on a pitch....almost impossible.Even it knew every variable or possible action the player might do on pitch at any given time, it could be outsmarted by something stupid.

No doubt about that. A human can be too.

Lastly no one knows the capabilities of the human brain. We use so little of it and dont know how to use most of its capabilities anyway. I've heard of hypnotherapists that could get you to read the books on the shelves to them of a library you visited 10 years ago. The problem isn't our brains the problem is access.

This means absolutely nothing. The human brain's capabilities could be almost any arbitrary amount, doesn't mean an AI couldn't surpass it at some point.

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[Shodan]

Originally Posted by Saxx

This emotion was "fake" though. Thats what im getting at. When they cry and feel real pain. Then we'll talk.

Exactly! And who says they won't?

Reference the chess thing. Its basically a mahematical game. Of course a computer will be better there's a finite number of moves you can do. Considering a processor can process millions of things in a blink of the eye it makes sense that AI will be better.

There's also only a "finite number" of actions you can accomplish at any given moment. It just so happens that that number is much larger. Fortunately, humans come equipped with a "pruner" of sorts that lets us rule out clearly bad choices. I see no reason a computer could not get one of these.

Football though....different story...try predicting what a footballer will do on a pitch....almost impossible.Even it knew every variable or possible action the player might do on pitch at any given time, it could be outsmarted by something stupid.

No doubt about that. A human can be too.

Lastly no one knows the capabilities of the human brain. We use so little of it and dont know how to use most of its capabilities anyway. I've heard of hypnotherapists that could get you to read the books on the shelves to them of a library you visited 10 years ago. The problem isn't our brains the problem is access.

This means absolutely nothing. The human brain's capabilities could be almost any arbitrary amount, doesn't mean an AI couldn't surpass it at some point.

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