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I used to watch Power Rangers as a child. Does that count?
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I used to watch Power Rangers as a child. Does that count?
 
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^ lol

Shotokan and just got into capoeira a month ago. My girlfriend Brazilian and she been doing for like 3 years and asked me to join her classes. Shit is dope once you get the basics down
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Shotokan and just got into capoeira a month ago. My girlfriend Brazilian and she been doing for like 3 years and asked me to join her classes. Shit is dope once you get the basics down
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Did Karate And Wrestling, But All This Means Nothing To UFC
What do you mean "all this means nothing to UFC"?

14 years old with a black belt? Complete McDojo. Doesn't mean you can't learn a lot from it all the same.

I had about a year of karate but it really wasn't for me. While I liked contact sparring, finding my timing etc. and got a lot from the stretching and stamina benefits, I didn't like anything about the style. Having your back hand by your side is terrible technique. My sensei said "It's okay to have your hands up in boxing, but in karate we need to defend body kicks". Has this guy never seen kickboxing, muay thai etc. etc.? He was amazing at what he did, but he was terrible at teaching it I found.

I've been doing a "traditional" yet modern martial art for a while now, I think 2 or years. I'd probably say it's like a slightly more basic form of Wing Chun. Wrist Locks, Leg Locks, Throws, Chokes and Form is basically what it consists of. I like how our basic kicking techniques are fairly original ones, so our foundation is somewhat unorthadox. White belt is stomp kicks, front kicks, round kicks, round knees and front knees. Yellow belt is inside/outside crescent kicks, push and side kicks. Green belt is spinning side kicks. Blue belt is hook kick. Red belt is spinning hook kick, front ball kick. Some techniques in there that aren't the most common in MMA, so it would be good to translate (absolutely NOTHING on freestyle kickboxing's originality all the same).

With in the next few years I'm hoping to be competing in something. It depends on what I end up doing. It could be amateur boxing, kickboxing, Thai Kickboxing, Jiu Jitsu, Judo or MMA.

I see a few people mention Krav Maga, I'm not big on it. It's hailed as "the best martial art", but it's very similar to military training (well it IS military training I suppose). The focus isn't on form and technique, but more so on being able to defend yourself with minimal training. That's pretty good if you're attacked a month into your training, but if you've been at it for like 5 years I'd prefer to do something that builds you into your techniques. I'm Blue Belt in mine so far, and really the philosophy is that we're not supposed to be using our techniques right now. We're being given the building blocks to put the pieces together once we reach our 1st Dan. It doesn't mean they aren't highly applicable but you're not being thrown in the deep end. I want some contact sparring though.

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Oh and WTF TKD is a fucking joke. It'd have you believe that TKD practitioners don't know how to throw a punch. There are loads of great fundamentals TKD can bring to someone but the WTF style is a ridiculous.
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What do you mean "all this means nothing to UFC"?

14 years old with a black belt? Complete McDojo. Doesn't mean you can't learn a lot from it all the same.

I had about a year of karate but it really wasn't for me. While I liked contact sparring, finding my timing etc. and got a lot from the stretching and stamina benefits, I didn't like anything about the style. Having your back hand by your side is terrible technique. My sensei said "It's okay to have your hands up in boxing, but in karate we need to defend body kicks". Has this guy never seen kickboxing, muay thai etc. etc.? He was amazing at what he did, but he was terrible at teaching it I found.

I've been doing a "traditional" yet modern martial art for a while now, I think 2 or years. I'd probably say it's like a slightly more basic form of Wing Chun. Wrist Locks, Leg Locks, Throws, Chokes and Form is basically what it consists of. I like how our basic kicking techniques are fairly original ones, so our foundation is somewhat unorthadox. White belt is stomp kicks, front kicks, round kicks, round knees and front knees. Yellow belt is inside/outside crescent kicks, push and side kicks. Green belt is spinning side kicks. Blue belt is hook kick. Red belt is spinning hook kick, front ball kick. Some techniques in there that aren't the most common in MMA, so it would be good to translate (absolutely NOTHING on freestyle kickboxing's originality all the same).

With in the next few years I'm hoping to be competing in something. It depends on what I end up doing. It could be amateur boxing, kickboxing, Thai Kickboxing, Jiu Jitsu, Judo or MMA.

I see a few people mention Krav Maga, I'm not big on it. It's hailed as "the best martial art", but it's very similar to military training (well it IS military training I suppose). The focus isn't on form and technique, but more so on being able to defend yourself with minimal training. That's pretty good if you're attacked a month into your training, but if you've been at it for like 5 years I'd prefer to do something that builds you into your techniques. I'm Blue Belt in mine so far, and really the philosophy is that we're not supposed to be using our techniques right now. We're being given the building blocks to put the pieces together once we reach our 1st Dan. It doesn't mean they aren't highly applicable but you're not being thrown in the deep end. I want some contact sparring though.

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Oh and WTF TKD is a fucking joke. It'd have you believe that TKD practitioners don't know how to throw a punch. There are loads of great fundamentals TKD can bring to someone but the WTF style is a ridiculous.
 
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Wing Chun? I was always a huge fan of that but never actually put any thought into trying to learn it. I used to be big on Kung Fu flicks so I had an affinity for shit like that
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What do you mean "all this means nothing to UFC"?

14 years old with a black belt? Complete McDojo. Doesn't mean you can't learn a lot from it all the same.

I had about a year of karate but it really wasn't for me. While I liked contact sparring, finding my timing etc. and got a lot from the stretching and stamina benefits, I didn't like anything about the style. Having your back hand by your side is terrible technique. My sensei said "It's okay to have your hands up in boxing, but in karate we need to defend body kicks". Has this guy never seen kickboxing, muay thai etc. etc.? He was amazing at what he did, but he was terrible at teaching it I found.

I've been doing a "traditional" yet modern martial art for a while now, I think 2 or years. I'd probably say it's like a slightly more basic form of Wing Chun. Wrist Locks, Leg Locks, Throws, Chokes and Form is basically what it consists of. I like how our basic kicking techniques are fairly original ones, so our foundation is somewhat unorthadox. White belt is stomp kicks, front kicks, round kicks, round knees and front knees. Yellow belt is inside/outside crescent kicks, push and side kicks. Green belt is spinning side kicks. Blue belt is hook kick. Red belt is spinning hook kick, front ball kick. Some techniques in there that aren't the most common in MMA, so it would be good to translate (absolutely NOTHING on freestyle kickboxing's originality all the same).

With in the next few years I'm hoping to be competing in something. It depends on what I end up doing. It could be amateur boxing, kickboxing, Thai Kickboxing, Jiu Jitsu, Judo or MMA.

I see a few people mention Krav Maga, I'm not big on it. It's hailed as "the best martial art", but it's very similar to military training (well it IS military training I suppose). The focus isn't on form and technique, but more so on being able to defend yourself with minimal training. That's pretty good if you're attacked a month into your training, but if you've been at it for like 5 years I'd prefer to do something that builds you into your techniques. I'm Blue Belt in mine so far, and really the philosophy is that we're not supposed to be using our techniques right now. We're being given the building blocks to put the pieces together once we reach our 1st Dan. It doesn't mean they aren't highly applicable but you're not being thrown in the deep end. I want some contact sparring though.

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Oh and WTF TKD is a fucking joke. It'd have you believe that TKD practitioners don't know how to throw a punch. There are loads of great fundamentals TKD can bring to someone but the WTF style is a ridiculous.
TBH MMA Training is the best training you can do for self-defense, there is nothing more real. If I had to pick two things to train in it would be Boxing and BJJ.

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[/COLOR]Oh and WTF TKD is a fucking joke. It'd have you believe that TKD practitioners don't know how to throw a punch. There are loads of great fundamentals TKD can bring to someone but the WTF style is a ridiculous.
I didn't want to shoot Godbody down but yeah, WTF is ridiculous lol
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What do you mean "all this means nothing to UFC"?

14 years old with a black belt? Complete McDojo. Doesn't mean you can't learn a lot from it all the same.

I had about a year of karate but it really wasn't for me. While I liked contact sparring, finding my timing etc. and got a lot from the stretching and stamina benefits, I didn't like anything about the style. Having your back hand by your side is terrible technique. My sensei said "It's okay to have your hands up in boxing, but in karate we need to defend body kicks". Has this guy never seen kickboxing, muay thai etc. etc.? He was amazing at what he did, but he was terrible at teaching it I found.

I've been doing a "traditional" yet modern martial art for a while now, I think 2 or years. I'd probably say it's like a slightly more basic form of Wing Chun. Wrist Locks, Leg Locks, Throws, Chokes and Form is basically what it consists of. I like how our basic kicking techniques are fairly original ones, so our foundation is somewhat unorthadox. White belt is stomp kicks, front kicks, round kicks, round knees and front knees. Yellow belt is inside/outside crescent kicks, push and side kicks. Green belt is spinning side kicks. Blue belt is hook kick. Red belt is spinning hook kick, front ball kick. Some techniques in there that aren't the most common in MMA, so it would be good to translate (absolutely NOTHING on freestyle kickboxing's originality all the same).

With in the next few years I'm hoping to be competing in something. It depends on what I end up doing. It could be amateur boxing, kickboxing, Thai Kickboxing, Jiu Jitsu, Judo or MMA.

I see a few people mention Krav Maga, I'm not big on it. It's hailed as "the best martial art", but it's very similar to military training (well it IS military training I suppose). The focus isn't on form and technique, but more so on being able to defend yourself with minimal training. That's pretty good if you're attacked a month into your training, but if you've been at it for like 5 years I'd prefer to do something that builds you into your techniques. I'm Blue Belt in mine so far, and really the philosophy is that we're not supposed to be using our techniques right now. We're being given the building blocks to put the pieces together once we reach our 1st Dan. It doesn't mean they aren't highly applicable but you're not being thrown in the deep end. I want some contact sparring though.

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Oh and WTF TKD is a fucking joke. It'd have you believe that TKD practitioners don't know how to throw a punch. There are loads of great fundamentals TKD can bring to someone but the WTF style is a ridiculous.
TBH MMA Training is the best training you can do for self-defense, there is nothing more real. If I had to pick two things to train in it would be Boxing and BJJ.

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[/COLOR]Oh and WTF TKD is a fucking joke. It'd have you believe that TKD practitioners don't know how to throw a punch. There are loads of great fundamentals TKD can bring to someone but the WTF style is a ridiculous.
I didn't want to shoot Godbody down but yeah, WTF is ridiculous lol
 
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Wing Chun? I was always a huge fan of that but never actually put any thought into trying to learn it. I used to be big on Kung Fu flicks so I had an affinity for shit like that
Yeah I'd love to give it a go myself. The "sticky hands" (giggity) stuff is awesome. That's where we kind of take influence from it. Some of what we train will be chaining our wrist locks together. So going from like 1 to 8 is what I have now. That kind of comes from that Wing Chun element cause you're using your hands and forearms etc. to make sure they never manage to break free of what you are doing. You always have control.

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TBH MMA Training is the best training you can do for self-defense, there is nothing more real. If I had to pick two things to train in it would be Boxing and BJJ.
Yeah MMA training gives you your striking, physical strength, stamina and wrestling all in one go. I think doing MMA would allow me to make my 'life' about martial arts, but at the same time I'm not one of these MMA fans who dismisses stuff because "UFC fighters don't do it". There are millions of BJJ submissions that can't be done inside the cage, or simply haven't been. No one in UFC has been able to use Axe Kicks like Andy Hug did. Before Anthony Pettis, it wasn't believed that you could fly off the cage like Jet Li. Before Frank Mir and Jon Jones, that arm crank lock from the overhook position wouldnt have even been thought of. You bring innovation from other martial arts in with you.

I actually don't know what I'd want to pick anymore. Boxing teaches you sooooo much about punches, generating power, using speed effectively, punching correctly, using your upperbody to avoid being hit etc. I'm good with my kicks though, so I'm not sure if I'd want to move into an aspect where I wouldn't be able to use them. BJJ is something I've ALWAYS wanted to do. I was rolling with a guy who's been doing JJ for a few weeks now, and straight away I managed to reverse out of the full mount and into a leg lock. I've got crazy flexible legs and hips though so I'd have an advantage off the bat in it.
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Wing Chun? I was always a huge fan of that but never actually put any thought into trying to learn it. I used to be big on Kung Fu flicks so I had an affinity for shit like that
Yeah I'd love to give it a go myself. The "sticky hands" (giggity) stuff is awesome. That's where we kind of take influence from it. Some of what we train will be chaining our wrist locks together. So going from like 1 to 8 is what I have now. That kind of comes from that Wing Chun element cause you're using your hands and forearms etc. to make sure they never manage to break free of what you are doing. You always have control.

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TBH MMA Training is the best training you can do for self-defense, there is nothing more real. If I had to pick two things to train in it would be Boxing and BJJ.
Yeah MMA training gives you your striking, physical strength, stamina and wrestling all in one go. I think doing MMA would allow me to make my 'life' about martial arts, but at the same time I'm not one of these MMA fans who dismisses stuff because "UFC fighters don't do it". There are millions of BJJ submissions that can't be done inside the cage, or simply haven't been. No one in UFC has been able to use Axe Kicks like Andy Hug did. Before Anthony Pettis, it wasn't believed that you could fly off the cage like Jet Li. Before Frank Mir and Jon Jones, that arm crank lock from the overhook position wouldnt have even been thought of. You bring innovation from other martial arts in with you.

I actually don't know what I'd want to pick anymore. Boxing teaches you sooooo much about punches, generating power, using speed effectively, punching correctly, using your upperbody to avoid being hit etc. I'm good with my kicks though, so I'm not sure if I'd want to move into an aspect where I wouldn't be able to use them. BJJ is something I've ALWAYS wanted to do. I was rolling with a guy who's been doing JJ for a few weeks now, and straight away I managed to reverse out of the full mount and into a leg lock. I've got crazy flexible legs and hips though so I'd have an advantage off the bat in it.
 
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Yeah I'd love to give it a go myself. The "sticky hands" (giggity) stuff is awesome. That's where we kind of take influence from it. Some of what we train will be chaining our wrist locks together. So going from like 1 to 8 is what I have now. That kind of comes from that Wing Chun element cause you're using your hands and forearms etc. to make sure they never manage to break free of what you are doing. You always have control.



Yeah MMA training gives you your striking, physical strength, stamina and wrestling all in one go. I think doing MMA would allow me to make my 'life' about martial arts, but at the same time I'm not one of these MMA fans who dismisses stuff because "UFC fighters don't do it". There are millions of BJJ submissions that can't be done inside the cage, or simply haven't been. No one in UFC has been able to use Axe Kicks like Andy Hug did. Before Anthony Pettis, it wasn't believed that you could fly off the cage like Jet Li. Before Frank Mir and Jon Jones, that arm crank lock from the overhook position wouldnt have even been thought of. You bring innovation from other martial arts in with you.

I actually don't know what I'd want to pick anymore. Boxing teaches you sooooo much about punches, generating power, using speed effectively, punching correctly, using your upperbody to avoid being hit etc. I'm good with my kicks though, so I'm not sure if I'd want to move into an aspect where I wouldn't be able to use them. BJJ is something I've ALWAYS wanted to do. I was rolling with a guy who's been doing JJ for a few weeks now, and straight away I managed to reverse out of the full mount and into a leg lock. I've got crazy flexible legs and hips though so I'd have an advantage off the bat in it.
I'm an ex-TKD practitioner and I honestly believe that most kicks are just redundant in a self-defense situation. They are unnecessarily risky, a good sweep kick can be brilliant but other than that I don't think I personally would bother with them.
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Yeah I'd love to give it a go myself. The "sticky hands" (giggity) stuff is awesome. That's where we kind of take influence from it. Some of what we train will be chaining our wrist locks together. So going from like 1 to 8 is what I have now. That kind of comes from that Wing Chun element cause you're using your hands and forearms etc. to make sure they never manage to break free of what you are doing. You always have control.



Yeah MMA training gives you your striking, physical strength, stamina and wrestling all in one go. I think doing MMA would allow me to make my 'life' about martial arts, but at the same time I'm not one of these MMA fans who dismisses stuff because "UFC fighters don't do it". There are millions of BJJ submissions that can't be done inside the cage, or simply haven't been. No one in UFC has been able to use Axe Kicks like Andy Hug did. Before Anthony Pettis, it wasn't believed that you could fly off the cage like Jet Li. Before Frank Mir and Jon Jones, that arm crank lock from the overhook position wouldnt have even been thought of. You bring innovation from other martial arts in with you.

I actually don't know what I'd want to pick anymore. Boxing teaches you sooooo much about punches, generating power, using speed effectively, punching correctly, using your upperbody to avoid being hit etc. I'm good with my kicks though, so I'm not sure if I'd want to move into an aspect where I wouldn't be able to use them. BJJ is something I've ALWAYS wanted to do. I was rolling with a guy who's been doing JJ for a few weeks now, and straight away I managed to reverse out of the full mount and into a leg lock. I've got crazy flexible legs and hips though so I'd have an advantage off the bat in it.
I'm an ex-TKD practitioner and I honestly believe that most kicks are just redundant in a self-defense situation. They are unnecessarily risky, a good sweep kick can be brilliant but other than that I don't think I personally would bother with them.
 
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I'm an ex-TKD practitioner and I honestly believe that most kicks are just redundant in a self-defense situation. They are unnecessarily risky, a good sweep kick can be brilliant but other than that I don't think I personally would bother with them.
I'd absolutely NEVER do a high kick in self-defence. Probably my favourite technique out of all of them if stomp kick to the standing leg when someone goes for a high kick. While I've easily got the flexibility to kick high, I prefer to do everything to the knees. My first technique in a "Let's fight, okay, meet you outside" situation would be stomp kick. Good chance of breaking their knee, you can cover up easy enough, and it probably gives you the distance to switch yo elbows.

Obviously that's the theory of it, some cunt might just knock me the fuck out first punch haha.
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I'm an ex-TKD practitioner and I honestly believe that most kicks are just redundant in a self-defense situation. They are unnecessarily risky, a good sweep kick can be brilliant but other than that I don't think I personally would bother with them.
I'd absolutely NEVER do a high kick in self-defence. Probably my favourite technique out of all of them if stomp kick to the standing leg when someone goes for a high kick. While I've easily got the flexibility to kick high, I prefer to do everything to the knees. My first technique in a "Let's fight, okay, meet you outside" situation would be stomp kick. Good chance of breaking their knee, you can cover up easy enough, and it probably gives you the distance to switch yo elbows.

Obviously that's the theory of it, some cunt might just knock me the fuck out first punch haha.
 
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@Dave i mean if u only have 2 styles and ur fight'n many styles.. u are limited
thats all i was imply'n
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@Dave i mean if u only have 2 styles and ur fight'n many styles.. u are limited
thats all i was imply'n
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WTF isn't a joke it's just another branch of Tae Kwon Do. You learn mad shit besides kicks..Which is what tkd is focused on and punches.

Who's to say a great Tae Kwon Do nigga can't beat a great boxer

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WTF isn't a joke it's just another branch of Tae Kwon Do. You learn mad shit besides kicks..Which is what tkd is focused on and punches.

Who's to say a great Tae Kwon Do nigga can't beat a great boxer

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