Guns

Originally Posted by Tha Dope Man

Government Regulation isnt going to prevent gangs/criminals from getting guns. Just like making drugs illegal isnt going to stop people from using them.

Its an Amendment; ALL citizens should had the right to carry a gun, if they pass a background check and complete a course on gun safety.

Obviously, AK47s and M16 or any machine gun (semi or auto) is unnecessary for a citizen to have (unless they are a collector).

The average American should have a Gun for protection against home invaders and/or other life threatening criminals.

Hunting is obviously a different story.

There's ALWAYS going to be Gun accidents and people dying from Gun violence, we just gotta live with it and worry about ourselves. *Shit Happens*

Banning guns will put stress on gun laundering and importing though, at least decreasing the amount of them somewhat.

This Amendment and Declaration shit is so stupid. It's just red tape. The people can't pass laws on relevant issues because of some shit that was written in a different timeline. Americans need to get over them.

The courses, and background checks, should be INSANE though. You shouldn't be able to buy a legal handgun for an entire year.

I agree, anything over a handgun or rifle should be banned regardless.

If someone breaks into my house, I'm not going after him toe to toe. I'm going to crack him in the back of the head with something. Having a gun isn't needed for home protection. Having a gun makes people feel over confident. If some dude breaks into my house, and is able to point his gun at me, he can take whatever he wants. I'll help him load it into the truck. Fuck dying for a TV.

You want the Government to say "Fuck it, shit happens?"

Originally Posted by Tha Dope Man

Government Regulation isnt going to prevent gangs/criminals from getting guns. Just like making drugs illegal isnt going to stop people from using them.

Its an Amendment; ALL citizens should had the right to carry a gun, if they pass a background check and complete a course on gun safety.

Obviously, AK47s and M16 or any machine gun (semi or auto) is unnecessary for a citizen to have (unless they are a collector).

The average American should have a Gun for protection against home invaders and/or other life threatening criminals.

Hunting is obviously a different story.

There's ALWAYS going to be Gun accidents and people dying from Gun violence, we just gotta live with it and worry about ourselves. *Shit Happens*

Banning guns will put stress on gun laundering and importing though, at least decreasing the amount of them somewhat.

This Amendment and Declaration shit is so stupid. It's just red tape. The people can't pass laws on relevant issues because of some shit that was written in a different timeline. Americans need to get over them.

The courses, and background checks, should be INSANE though. You shouldn't be able to buy a legal handgun for an entire year.

I agree, anything over a handgun or rifle should be banned regardless.

If someone breaks into my house, I'm not going after him toe to toe. I'm going to crack him in the back of the head with something. Having a gun isn't needed for home protection. Having a gun makes people feel over confident. If some dude breaks into my house, and is able to point his gun at me, he can take whatever he wants. I'll help him load it into the truck. Fuck dying for a TV.

You want the Government to say "Fuck it, shit happens?"

[Student]

I Believe Every American Should Have To Right To A Gun That Would Protect Themselves And Their Family. Given That It Should Only Include Handguns And Non-Automatic Shotguns. We're Not In Mexico Were We Have The Fear Of Being Kidnapped By The Cartel So We Need Heavy Machinery In Order To Shoot Down A Truck Load Of Would Be Kidnappers. Nor Are We In Mid-Africa Were The National Resistance Army Or Another Rebel Army Using Gorilla Warfare Tactics Will Murder You And Kidnap Your Children, Brainwash Them And Add To Their Youth Armies.

However, The Problem With Regulations Is Once You Start To Heavily Regulate Something The More Freedom You Can Strip Away From Citizens. First You Start Out With Banning AK's Then You Ban M26's Then Uzi's Then Automatic Pistols Then Eventually You Ban Every Non-Revolver Weapon.

The Middle Ground Would Be To Ban Online Buying Of Guns Via Non-US Websites (Where There Are No Background Checks And No Regulations To Buying Massive Amounts Of Things Or Ammo) And To Make It Extremely Difficult To Purchase Heavy Artillery.

[Student]

I Believe Every American Should Have To Right To A Gun That Would Protect Themselves And Their Family. Given That It Should Only Include Handguns And Non-Automatic Shotguns. We're Not In Mexico Were We Have The Fear Of Being Kidnapped By The Cartel So We Need Heavy Machinery In Order To Shoot Down A Truck Load Of Would Be Kidnappers. Nor Are We In Mid-Africa Were The National Resistance Army Or Another Rebel Army Using Gorilla Warfare Tactics Will Murder You And Kidnap Your Children, Brainwash Them And Add To Their Youth Armies.

However, The Problem With Regulations Is Once You Start To Heavily Regulate Something The More Freedom You Can Strip Away From Citizens. First You Start Out With Banning AK's Then You Ban M26's Then Uzi's Then Automatic Pistols Then Eventually You Ban Every Non-Revolver Weapon.

The Middle Ground Would Be To Ban Online Buying Of Guns Via Non-US Websites (Where There Are No Background Checks And No Regulations To Buying Massive Amounts Of Things Or Ammo) And To Make It Extremely Difficult To Purchase Heavy Artillery.

SHOTGUNS?

America is fucking hilarious. I've got a table leg under my bed and I'm 100% confident that if I wake up, I won't be in any danger. The fuck do you need a shotgun for?

SHOTGUNS?

America is fucking hilarious. I've got a table leg under my bed and I'm 100% confident that if I wake up, I won't be in any danger. The fuck do you need a shotgun for?

[The Dope Man]

@UnEtH "George Washington wasn't running away from Bloods or Crips" .. Neither is like 98% of the American population, including myself. Only people that are running from Bloods & Crips are Bloods & Crips, Crack Fiends, Opposing Drug Dealers & the Police. I even live in a sketchy town where i went to high school with "Bloods & Crips" & it's all about Drug Money. They don't just shoot people cause theyre in a gang, there's always a reason.

The Background checks and safety course are INSANE. Well, For Massachusetts anyways. Every state is different, but all are pretty strict.

Unlike you UK faggets, Us Americans Protect what is Ours. Why just let someone walk all over you and take your shit. Plus shooting guns is a sport. Some people like myself enjoy just going out and shooting targets, its fun as shit.

Shotguns are used for hunting large animals btw.

The United States was found under basics principles. Our success over the past 200+ years is remarkable. Why Try n Fix The Little Stuff? There's more greater issues than striping us Americans of our rights?

Your Not Even From America? So Any Opinion You Have Is Irrelevant.

Fall Back...

[The Dope Man]

@UnEtH "George Washington wasn't running away from Bloods or Crips" .. Neither is like 98% of the American population, including myself. Only people that are running from Bloods & Crips are Bloods & Crips, Crack Fiends, Opposing Drug Dealers & the Police. I even live in a sketchy town where i went to high school with "Bloods & Crips" & it's all about Drug Money. They don't just shoot people cause theyre in a gang, there's always a reason.

The Background checks and safety course are INSANE. Well, For Massachusetts anyways. Every state is different, but all are pretty strict.

Unlike you UK faggets, Us Americans Protect what is Ours. Why just let someone walk all over you and take your shit. Plus shooting guns is a sport. Some people like myself enjoy just going out and shooting targets, its fun as shit.

Shotguns are used for hunting large animals btw.

The United States was found under basics principles. Our success over the past 200+ years is remarkable. Why Try n Fix The Little Stuff? There's more greater issues than striping us Americans of our rights?

Your Not Even From America? So Any Opinion You Have Is Irrelevant.

Fall Back...

[The Ghost of Freak]

@NOBLE , this is a good thread with the recent tragedy in Michigan when a young black woman who had drunkenly crashed wandered into a suburban neighborhood to get help, but got shot in the face with a 12 gauge by a white dude thru his screen door ( reminiscent of the Trayvon Martin case.) The dude is being charge with murder by DA, due to no proof of forced entry or threat to the guy.

I think most gun owners, and even NSA members, agree that required background checks for most (if not all) guns is a good thing, and not an unreasonable violation of our Constitutional freedoms.

As others have mentioned, criminals are going to get firearms regardless of regulation due to huge availability in the blackmarket, but that does not mean they should be legally sold to whomever with no background check.

I think minimal regulation of background checks clearly prevents guns from being easily bought by younger people and mentally ill people who might be dangerous if given a firearm.

That's my input. -> Achieve greatest public safety while maintaining freedoms.

-FREAK-

[The Ghost of Freak]

@NOBLE , this is a good thread with the recent tragedy in Michigan when a young black woman who had drunkenly crashed wandered into a suburban neighborhood to get help, but got shot in the face with a 12 gauge by a white dude thru his screen door ( reminiscent of the Trayvon Martin case.) The dude is being charge with murder by DA, due to no proof of forced entry or threat to the guy.

I think most gun owners, and even NSA members, agree that required background checks for most (if not all) guns is a good thing, and not an unreasonable violation of our Constitutional freedoms.

As others have mentioned, criminals are going to get firearms regardless of regulation due to huge availability in the blackmarket, but that does not mean they should be legally sold to whomever with no background check.

I think minimal regulation of background checks clearly prevents guns from being easily bought by younger people and mentally ill people who might be dangerous if given a firearm.

That's my input. -> Achieve greatest public safety while maintaining freedoms.

-FREAK-

[ELOH STACKz]

As an American, I can speak to the fact that this country loooooooves fucking guns. Big ones too, with all type of attachements on them like COD or Rainbow 6, LoL. The average citizen doesnt give a fuck about guns, cuz the majority of the country doesnt own one. But the minority can outshine the majority if their voice is the loudest of the two. I blame Republicans, more specifically Tea Party Republicans. These faggot ass NRA Lobbyists have every single Republican in their pocket (a fair amount of Democrats too) & they make it impossible to pass any type of Gun Reform bill. The Tea Party keeps reelecting these assholes as well, which doesn't help the situation.

As a proud New Yorker, I can attest to the power of strong leadership that wont give in to the NRA's demands. This city has 20 million people in it, as of the end of October there has been 279 murders. We are on pace for 100 less than last year, which was the lowest Murder Rate in the past 60 years. They did the math, NY is the 5th "safest big City" in America with a rate of 2.9 Murders per 100,000 people (As references: Detroit's murder rate is 54 per 100,000... Baltimore & Newark is 34 per 100,000... Chicago is 18.5 per 100,000 & Los Angeles is 7.8 per 100,000) I hear niggas saying "NY is soft now. Ya'll dont bust hammers like you used to". Well, compared to the early 80's-90's when we'd get a couple THOUSAND murders a year? They're right. But the question is: have New Yorkers gotten softer over the years? Or have the Gun Reform bills passed in the last 2 decades actually worked? I say its the latter, & heres why.

LEADERSHIP !!!!! It started with Guiliani in 1992. As a former Prosecutor, Guiliani's platform was Gun Control for a City that was out of control. He saw the attrocities that gun violence caused first hand, he dealt with it on a daily basis. When he was elected, he followed through on his promises of cracking down on Gun Retailers/Manufacturers, expanded background checks, & created special Task Forces within the NYPD to deal with the issue. NY is a Democratic state, always was, always will be. But he got elected (as a Republican) because he wasnt scared of the NRA. He didnt need their money to get elected, so he did whatever the fuck he wanted.

Then comes Bloomberg, who not only extended Guiliani's reforms. He took them a step further by raising the mandates on sentencing for Unlawful Gun Possession. Now, if you get caught with the ratchet & its unlicensed? 3 YEARS MINIMUM !!! & they add an extra Year per bullet in the clip. Those are harsh punishments, very harsh. Harsh enough to make any nigga think twice about squeezing that trigger, real talk. Why was Bloomberg able to do this & get reelected for a 2nd & 3rd term? 1) He's an Independent (which means he no base to cater to). 2) He's a BILLIONAIRE (NRA couldnt buy him). Like Guiliani, he was able to say "Fuck your money, I dont need it. I'll do whatever the fuck I want"... If America is EVER going to take Gun Control seriously, It has to come from the TOP. We have to elect local Leaders that wont be bought by the Lobbyists. Once we have those Pols in office, then & only then can we make a dent in our Gun problem on a National Level. Obama has tried, with no help from the other side of the Aisle. But, he hasn't given it 100% like he said he would. He's scared to take a stand & alienate himself or the Democratic party as a whole. Its the fear of possible alienation that has us in this prediciment today. We need some Politicans with BALLS that are willing to "shoot it out" with the NRA.

[ELOH STACKz]

As an American, I can speak to the fact that this country loooooooves fucking guns. Big ones too, with all type of attachements on them like COD or Rainbow 6, LoL. The average citizen doesnt give a fuck about guns, cuz the majority of the country doesnt own one. But the minority can outshine the majority if their voice is the loudest of the two. I blame Republicans, more specifically Tea Party Republicans. These faggot ass NRA Lobbyists have every single Republican in their pocket (a fair amount of Democrats too) & they make it impossible to pass any type of Gun Reform bill. The Tea Party keeps reelecting these assholes as well, which doesn't help the situation.

As a proud New Yorker, I can attest to the power of strong leadership that wont give in to the NRA's demands. This city has 20 million people in it, as of the end of October there has been 279 murders. We are on pace for 100 less than last year, which was the lowest Murder Rate in the past 60 years. They did the math, NY is the 5th "safest big City" in America with a rate of 2.9 Murders per 100,000 people (As references: Detroit's murder rate is 54 per 100,000... Baltimore & Newark is 34 per 100,000... Chicago is 18.5 per 100,000 & Los Angeles is 7.8 per 100,000) I hear niggas saying "NY is soft now. Ya'll dont bust hammers like you used to". Well, compared to the early 80's-90's when we'd get a couple THOUSAND murders a year? They're right. But the question is: have New Yorkers gotten softer over the years? Or have the Gun Reform bills passed in the last 2 decades actually worked? I say its the latter, & heres why.

LEADERSHIP !!!!! It started with Guiliani in 1992. As a former Prosecutor, Guiliani's platform was Gun Control for a City that was out of control. He saw the attrocities that gun violence caused first hand, he dealt with it on a daily basis. When he was elected, he followed through on his promises of cracking down on Gun Retailers/Manufacturers, expanded background checks, & created special Task Forces within the NYPD to deal with the issue. NY is a Democratic state, always was, always will be. But he got elected (as a Republican) because he wasnt scared of the NRA. He didnt need their money to get elected, so he did whatever the fuck he wanted.

Then comes Bloomberg, who not only extended Guiliani's reforms. He took them a step further by raising the mandates on sentencing for Unlawful Gun Possession. Now, if you get caught with the ratchet & its unlicensed? 3 YEARS MINIMUM !!! & they add an extra Year per bullet in the clip. Those are harsh punishments, very harsh. Harsh enough to make any nigga think twice about squeezing that trigger, real talk. Why was Bloomberg able to do this & get reelected for a 2nd & 3rd term? 1) He's an Independent (which means he no base to cater to). 2) He's a BILLIONAIRE (NRA couldnt buy him). Like Guiliani, he was able to say "Fuck your money, I dont need it. I'll do whatever the fuck I want"... If America is EVER going to take Gun Control seriously, It has to come from the TOP. We have to elect local Leaders that wont be bought by the Lobbyists. Once we have those Pols in office, then & only then can we make a dent in our Gun problem on a National Level. Obama has tried, with no help from the other side of the Aisle. But, he hasn't given it 100% like he said he would. He's scared to take a stand & alienate himself or the Democratic party as a whole. Its the fear of possible alienation that has us in this prediciment today. We need some Politicans with BALLS that are willing to "shoot it out" with the NRA.

[Godbody]

We need our guns. To protect ourselves from criminals but more importantly to protect ourselves from the government

Whats gonna happen if you let them take our guns away? You gonna let them fuck you in the ass too? See what I'm sayin. We have a right to feel safe and secure, that shouldn't be a privilege that can be taken or amended whenever higher powers feel like it

[Godbody]

We need our guns. To protect ourselves from criminals but more importantly to protect ourselves from the government

Whats gonna happen if you let them take our guns away? You gonna let them fuck you in the ass too? See what I'm sayin. We have a right to feel safe and secure, that shouldn't be a privilege that can be taken or amended whenever higher powers feel like it

[ELOH STACKz]

I know for a fact, most niggas in NY get their guns out of State. Runners make trips to less regualted, gun-happy states like Virginia & South Carolina & cop the ratchets to bring back to NY. You can go to a shop, or a convention & buy 5-10 guns at once, clips & all that. Then you bring those up to NY & sell them on the streets for 3-4 times the price... I know this cuz one of my niggas is a Runner for Los Trinitario's (a spanish set associated with the Bloods). He makes the trip to Virginia EVERY MONTH & never comes back with less than 5 ratchets, real talk... Niggas are gonna get guns if they really want them. But atleast they gotta drive 5 hours outta state to do so. You feel me?

I mean, I own a gun. Its a Beretta, but my shit is still in the Box. Why? cuz im not trying to do 3-4 years on a weapons charge cuz a nigga scuffed my Jordan's. Straight like that... Regulations work, believe me

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the Gov't got Nukes dog, LoL. If they want us dead, we dead. Regardless if they take your guns or not... Enough with that Conspiracy Theory bullshit @goodbody @HandJob Alias

[ELOH STACKz]

I know for a fact, most niggas in NY get their guns out of State. Runners make trips to less regualted, gun-happy states like Virginia & South Carolina & cop the ratchets to bring back to NY. You can go to a shop, or a convention & buy 5-10 guns at once, clips & all that. Then you bring those up to NY & sell them on the streets for 3-4 times the price... I know this cuz one of my niggas is a Runner for Los Trinitario's (a spanish set associated with the Bloods). He makes the trip to Virginia EVERY MONTH & never comes back with less than 5 ratchets, real talk... Niggas are gonna get guns if they really want them. But atleast they gotta drive 5 hours outta state to do so. You feel me?

I mean, I own a gun. Its a Beretta, but my shit is still in the Box. Why? cuz im not trying to do 3-4 years on a weapons charge cuz a nigga scuffed my Jordan's. Straight like that... Regulations work, believe me

---------- Post added at 06:44 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:42 PM ----------

the Gov't got Nukes dog, LoL. If they want us dead, we dead. Regardless if they take your guns or not... Enough with that Conspiracy Theory bullshit @goodbody @HandJob Alias

[Fredo Lombardi]

everyone should just smoke pot and handle arguments with kung fu

it would be an awesome world

[Fredo Lombardi]

everyone should just smoke pot and handle arguments with kung fu

it would be an awesome world

[ELOH STACKz]

you can buy Shotguns at Walmart @Tha Dope Man... You gotta be up close to kill a nigga with the Shotty, thats why the restrictions are looser on them. We are talking about gun control for High-calibur semi-automatics & "concealed weapons", ie. those pocket rockets & little 22's that can be hid in any Northface jacket

[ELOH STACKz]

you can buy Shotguns at Walmart @Tha Dope Man... You gotta be up close to kill a nigga with the Shotty, thats why the restrictions are looser on them. We are talking about gun control for High-calibur semi-automatics & "concealed weapons", ie. those pocket rockets & little 22's that can be hid in any Northface jacket