U.S. v. Iran

[Esso]

US with the 30....but why?

[Esso]

US with the 30....but why?

[REZN]

Originally Posted by Esso

US with the 30....but why?

Because war facilitates economic inflation.

[REZN]

Originally Posted by Esso

US with the 30....but why?

Because war facilitates economic inflation.

[EtH]

Too many personals. I vote auto loss on both.

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Originally Posted by REZN

Because war facilitates economic inflation.

Nice insight Drebin

[EtH]

Too many personals. I vote auto loss on both.

---------- Post added at 02:55 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:55 AM ----------

Originally Posted by REZN

Because war facilitates economic inflation.

Nice insight Drebin

[Phil Banks]

Pretty cool response to this question on the front page of reddit when Solemani was killed.


"People comparing the danger of Trump, Bolton, and Pompeo fooling the country/world into war to the Bush Iraq WMDs but the they miss the size of Iran and the scope of a war with that country.

It’s as big as Germany. Sorry. It has about as many people as Germany. Over 80 million. It’s the 18th most populated country on earth. It’s also the 18th biggest economy in the world as well at about 1.7 Trillion. That’s just behind Canada and Saudi Arabia but hundreds of Billions more than Australia - that underdeveloped defenseless third world country. I didn’t mean to say it was as big as Germany, it’s not even close. It is over 4 times bigger than Germany. It is a massive country with large portions being inhospitable and impassable mountains and deserts. It is not an exaggeration to say that it’s very land is a fortress.

Invading Iran is invading an economy the size of Texas with nearly 3 times the population and more than twice as much area to cover with 10 times the logistical issues. It would make the Vietnam War seem quaint, short, and clean. This ignores that this would almost certainly lead to a cascading series of events that would incite massive, possibly global war. Nearly every probable scenario would result in the deaths of millions as a result of the conflict and its secondary impacts. To accomplish what goals???

If you aren’t terrified of the idea of starting this war I strongly encourage you to speak to a veteran who’s under 80. If the war goes well it would mean years of death and violence on a scale the US has not seen in 2 generations. It won’t go well. I have no idea why we are even considering it.

I’ve posted version of this several times and I e gotten a few response saying the equivalent of “but we’ll just use our Air Force/bombings/missile strikes” or even “we’ll just use nukes.” The first group are scary because they don’t seem to grasp basic math or history. The second are not sane.

The use of ANY nuclear weapons changes the world as we know it. It is the most taboo act of war short of possibly a biological attack. If the order was given it would be better if there were a coup in the US. That would be less destabilizing. Not downplaying that, I’m trying to give a sense of scope. It would break the Western alliance and the US economy, followed by the world, would take a hit to the economy on par with the Great Depression.

Edit: Addition really - Tehran, Iran has a larger population than NYC. Both weigh in at just below 9 Million people. Imagine trying to take any action against a city of that size without committing multiple war crimes by accident. Imagine the response to Katrina, but with war. That’s only a tenth of the population.

There are 5 other cities in Iran with populations over 1 million.

There are 60 more cities with population between 100 thousand and 1 million.

For reference, Albany, NY doesn’t quite have 100 thousand residents. There are 139 OTHER cities in Iran in Albany’s bracket. Source

Edit2 - Call your Representatives! I hadn’t called about this before, but I just did. I actually spoke to a person at the office of Roy Blunt (MO). I started a generic 15 second, you don’t care and I know that, statement of concern and then I switched tactics and asked the person if they knew how many people lived in Iran. In Tehran. If they had a ballpark guess. They didn’t and I told them. I wasn’t calm but I didn’t yell. I begged. I said “Please, this isn’t a political call. War on this scale is unthinkable and nobody is saying anything. You’re THERE. Say something, I’m begging you PLEASE say anything. Just say that you’re scared because you’d be crazy not to be. Please! It’s almost too late, but you’re there. Try. Please.” They were shook by it, not that I expect it to work directly, but they heard those numbers. I’m going to do that some more.

Edit3 - Just had a long conversation with someone in Rep. Ann Wagner’s office. They guessed that Iran had a population of around 500k. Let that sink in. That 1/163 of the right answer. Theran has 18 times that many.

He heard me out for several minutes. He said he’d give my numbers to the rep. "

[Phil Banks]

Pretty cool response to this question on the front page of reddit when Solemani was killed.


"People comparing the danger of Trump, Bolton, and Pompeo fooling the country/world into war to the Bush Iraq WMDs but the they miss the size of Iran and the scope of a war with that country.

It’s as big as Germany. Sorry. It has about as many people as Germany. Over 80 million. It’s the 18th most populated country on earth. It’s also the 18th biggest economy in the world as well at about 1.7 Trillion. That’s just behind Canada and Saudi Arabia but hundreds of Billions more than Australia - that underdeveloped defenseless third world country. I didn’t mean to say it was as big as Germany, it’s not even close. It is over 4 times bigger than Germany. It is a massive country with large portions being inhospitable and impassable mountains and deserts. It is not an exaggeration to say that it’s very land is a fortress.

Invading Iran is invading an economy the size of Texas with nearly 3 times the population and more than twice as much area to cover with 10 times the logistical issues. It would make the Vietnam War seem quaint, short, and clean. This ignores that this would almost certainly lead to a cascading series of events that would incite massive, possibly global war. Nearly every probable scenario would result in the deaths of millions as a result of the conflict and its secondary impacts. To accomplish what goals???

If you aren’t terrified of the idea of starting this war I strongly encourage you to speak to a veteran who’s under 80. If the war goes well it would mean years of death and violence on a scale the US has not seen in 2 generations. It won’t go well. I have no idea why we are even considering it.

I’ve posted version of this several times and I e gotten a few response saying the equivalent of “but we’ll just use our Air Force/bombings/missile strikes” or even “we’ll just use nukes.” The first group are scary because they don’t seem to grasp basic math or history. The second are not sane.

The use of ANY nuclear weapons changes the world as we know it. It is the most taboo act of war short of possibly a biological attack. If the order was given it would be better if there were a coup in the US. That would be less destabilizing. Not downplaying that, I’m trying to give a sense of scope. It would break the Western alliance and the US economy, followed by the world, would take a hit to the economy on par with the Great Depression.

Edit: Addition really - Tehran, Iran has a larger population than NYC. Both weigh in at just below 9 Million people. Imagine trying to take any action against a city of that size without committing multiple war crimes by accident. Imagine the response to Katrina, but with war. That’s only a tenth of the population.

There are 5 other cities in Iran with populations over 1 million.

There are 60 more cities with population between 100 thousand and 1 million.

For reference, Albany, NY doesn’t quite have 100 thousand residents. There are 139 OTHER cities in Iran in Albany’s bracket. Source

Edit2 - Call your Representatives! I hadn’t called about this before, but I just did. I actually spoke to a person at the office of Roy Blunt (MO). I started a generic 15 second, you don’t care and I know that, statement of concern and then I switched tactics and asked the person if they knew how many people lived in Iran. In Tehran. If they had a ballpark guess. They didn’t and I told them. I wasn’t calm but I didn’t yell. I begged. I said “Please, this isn’t a political call. War on this scale is unthinkable and nobody is saying anything. You’re THERE. Say something, I’m begging you PLEASE say anything. Just say that you’re scared because you’d be crazy not to be. Please! It’s almost too late, but you’re there. Try. Please.” They were shook by it, not that I expect it to work directly, but they heard those numbers. I’m going to do that some more.

Edit3 - Just had a long conversation with someone in Rep. Ann Wagner’s office. They guessed that Iran had a population of around 500k. Let that sink in. That 1/163 of the right answer. Theran has 18 times that many.

He heard me out for several minutes. He said he’d give my numbers to the rep. "

[REZN]

Originally Posted by Phil Banks

Pretty cool response to this question on the front page of reddit when Solemani was killed.


"People comparing the danger of Trump, Bolton, and Pompeo fooling the country/world into war to the Bush Iraq WMDs but the they miss the size of Iran and the scope of a war with that country.

It’s as big as Germany. Sorry. It has about as many people as Germany. Over 80 million. It’s the 18th most populated country on earth. It’s also the 18th biggest economy in the world as well at about 1.7 Trillion. That’s just behind Canada and Saudi Arabia but hundreds of Billions more than Australia - that underdeveloped defenseless third world country. I didn’t mean to say it was as big as Germany, it’s not even close. It is over 4 times bigger than Germany. It is a massive country with large portions being inhospitable and impassable mountains and deserts. It is not an exaggeration to say that it’s very land is a fortress.

Invading Iran is invading an economy the size of Texas with nearly 3 times the population and more than twice as much area to cover with 10 times the logistical issues. It would make the Vietnam War seem quaint, short, and clean. This ignores that this would almost certainly lead to a cascading series of events that would incite massive, possibly global war. Nearly every probable scenario would result in the deaths of millions as a result of the conflict and its secondary impacts. To accomplish what goals???

If you aren’t terrified of the idea of starting this war I strongly encourage you to speak to a veteran who’s under 80. If the war goes well it would mean years of death and violence on a scale the US has not seen in 2 generations. It won’t go well. I have no idea why we are even considering it.

I’ve posted version of this several times and I e gotten a few response saying the equivalent of “but we’ll just use our Air Force/bombings/missile strikes” or even “we’ll just use nukes.” The first group are scary because they don’t seem to grasp basic math or history. The second are not sane.

The use of ANY nuclear weapons changes the world as we know it. It is the most taboo act of war short of possibly a biological attack. If the order was given it would be better if there were a coup in the US. That would be less destabilizing. Not downplaying that, I’m trying to give a sense of scope. It would break the Western alliance and the US economy, followed by the world, would take a hit to the economy on par with the Great Depression.

Edit: Addition really - Tehran, Iran has a larger population than NYC. Both weigh in at just below 9 Million people. Imagine trying to take any action against a city of that size without committing multiple war crimes by accident. Imagine the response to Katrina, but with war. That’s only a tenth of the population.

There are 5 other cities in Iran with populations over 1 million.

There are 60 more cities with population between 100 thousand and 1 million.

For reference, Albany, NY doesn’t quite have 100 thousand residents. There are 139 OTHER cities in Iran in Albany’s bracket. Source

Edit2 - Call your Representatives! I hadn’t called about this before, but I just did. I actually spoke to a person at the office of Roy Blunt (MO). I started a generic 15 second, you don’t care and I know that, statement of concern and then I switched tactics and asked the person if they knew how many people lived in Iran. In Tehran. If they had a ballpark guess. They didn’t and I told them. I wasn’t calm but I didn’t yell. I begged. I said “Please, this isn’t a political call. War on this scale is unthinkable and nobody is saying anything. You’re THERE. Say something, I’m begging you PLEASE say anything. Just say that you’re scared because you’d be crazy not to be. Please! It’s almost too late, but you’re there. Try. Please.” They were shook by it, not that I expect it to work directly, but they heard those numbers. I’m going to do that some more.

Edit3 - Just had a long conversation with someone in Rep. Ann Wagner’s office. They guessed that Iran had a population of around 500k. Let that sink in. That 1/163 of the right answer. Theran has 18 times that many.

He heard me out for several minutes. He said he’d give my numbers to the rep. "

Well, I'll start off by saying, I don't agree that we SHOULD go to war. I just believe it's an inevitability.

That aside, I agree with some of the points in this, but less so others. 10 years ago, this scenario would be incredibly likely. But, at the scale of military technology we're at now, invasion becomes a much less likely scenario. This will probably be a long range war. And the U.S. will rely heavily on autonomous weaponry.

[REZN]

Originally Posted by Phil Banks

Pretty cool response to this question on the front page of reddit when Solemani was killed.


"People comparing the danger of Trump, Bolton, and Pompeo fooling the country/world into war to the Bush Iraq WMDs but the they miss the size of Iran and the scope of a war with that country.

It’s as big as Germany. Sorry. It has about as many people as Germany. Over 80 million. It’s the 18th most populated country on earth. It’s also the 18th biggest economy in the world as well at about 1.7 Trillion. That’s just behind Canada and Saudi Arabia but hundreds of Billions more than Australia - that underdeveloped defenseless third world country. I didn’t mean to say it was as big as Germany, it’s not even close. It is over 4 times bigger than Germany. It is a massive country with large portions being inhospitable and impassable mountains and deserts. It is not an exaggeration to say that it’s very land is a fortress.

Invading Iran is invading an economy the size of Texas with nearly 3 times the population and more than twice as much area to cover with 10 times the logistical issues. It would make the Vietnam War seem quaint, short, and clean. This ignores that this would almost certainly lead to a cascading series of events that would incite massive, possibly global war. Nearly every probable scenario would result in the deaths of millions as a result of the conflict and its secondary impacts. To accomplish what goals???

If you aren’t terrified of the idea of starting this war I strongly encourage you to speak to a veteran who’s under 80. If the war goes well it would mean years of death and violence on a scale the US has not seen in 2 generations. It won’t go well. I have no idea why we are even considering it.

I’ve posted version of this several times and I e gotten a few response saying the equivalent of “but we’ll just use our Air Force/bombings/missile strikes” or even “we’ll just use nukes.” The first group are scary because they don’t seem to grasp basic math or history. The second are not sane.

The use of ANY nuclear weapons changes the world as we know it. It is the most taboo act of war short of possibly a biological attack. If the order was given it would be better if there were a coup in the US. That would be less destabilizing. Not downplaying that, I’m trying to give a sense of scope. It would break the Western alliance and the US economy, followed by the world, would take a hit to the economy on par with the Great Depression.

Edit: Addition really - Tehran, Iran has a larger population than NYC. Both weigh in at just below 9 Million people. Imagine trying to take any action against a city of that size without committing multiple war crimes by accident. Imagine the response to Katrina, but with war. That’s only a tenth of the population.

There are 5 other cities in Iran with populations over 1 million.

There are 60 more cities with population between 100 thousand and 1 million.

For reference, Albany, NY doesn’t quite have 100 thousand residents. There are 139 OTHER cities in Iran in Albany’s bracket. Source

Edit2 - Call your Representatives! I hadn’t called about this before, but I just did. I actually spoke to a person at the office of Roy Blunt (MO). I started a generic 15 second, you don’t care and I know that, statement of concern and then I switched tactics and asked the person if they knew how many people lived in Iran. In Tehran. If they had a ballpark guess. They didn’t and I told them. I wasn’t calm but I didn’t yell. I begged. I said “Please, this isn’t a political call. War on this scale is unthinkable and nobody is saying anything. You’re THERE. Say something, I’m begging you PLEASE say anything. Just say that you’re scared because you’d be crazy not to be. Please! It’s almost too late, but you’re there. Try. Please.” They were shook by it, not that I expect it to work directly, but they heard those numbers. I’m going to do that some more.

Edit3 - Just had a long conversation with someone in Rep. Ann Wagner’s office. They guessed that Iran had a population of around 500k. Let that sink in. That 1/163 of the right answer. Theran has 18 times that many.

He heard me out for several minutes. He said he’d give my numbers to the rep. "

Well, I'll start off by saying, I don't agree that we SHOULD go to war. I just believe it's an inevitability.

That aside, I agree with some of the points in this, but less so others. 10 years ago, this scenario would be incredibly likely. But, at the scale of military technology we're at now, invasion becomes a much less likely scenario. This will probably be a long range war. And the U.S. will rely heavily on autonomous weaponry.

[Esso]

Originally Posted by REZN

Because war facilitates economic inflation.

Then you do it like the Bushes did....have a story, a proposed plan, and get people emotionally invested in it. We go from air strikes to killing a General in a week over one American casualty. Threatening cultural sites and telling a sovereign government you won’t leave their country....this dude is batty and doesn’t have the support to pull this off in an election year.

[Esso]

Originally Posted by REZN

Because war facilitates economic inflation.

Then you do it like the Bushes did....have a story, a proposed plan, and get people emotionally invested in it. We go from air strikes to killing a General in a week over one American casualty. Threatening cultural sites and telling a sovereign government you won’t leave their country....this dude is batty and doesn’t have the support to pull this off in an election year.

[Phil Banks]

Originally Posted by REZN

Well, I'll start off by saying, I don't agree that we SHOULD go to war. I just believe it's an inevitability.

That aside, I agree with some of the points in this, but less so others. 10 years ago, this scenario would be incredibly likely. But, at the scale of military technology we're at now, invasion becomes a much less likely scenario. This will probably be a long range war. And the U.S. will rely heavily on autonomous weaponry.

If you are from the US or UK you should be praying it's not inevitable. You will be dying to hold those mountains. This idea you have of long range warfare is non existent. You bomb you secure you hold. That means infantry and armor. Unlike Iraq, which was heavily divided religiously Iran is not. It is divided politically between left and right much like the US. Invading would cause a massive swing toward the right. The right is the Anti Western old school Khomeini way of thinking it's no joke .The left is the youth wanting freedoms and modernization. Unlike Al Qaeda, the Taliban, ISIS and most of the Iraqi insurgency's Iran is a Shiaa nation.

Can you imagine what invading them would do? Completely unite them politically. 80 million people united in a common hate for an invader that is made up of division.

Scary stuff all started because someone was dropping in the polls. We should all pray for Bernie Sanders to win because this guy being in charge of a super power is getting crazier by the day.

If the US couldn't successfully invade Vietnam, Korea, Iraq or Afghanistan what happens when they invade the country with the 13th most powerful military in the world?

[Phil Banks]

Originally Posted by REZN

Well, I'll start off by saying, I don't agree that we SHOULD go to war. I just believe it's an inevitability.

That aside, I agree with some of the points in this, but less so others. 10 years ago, this scenario would be incredibly likely. But, at the scale of military technology we're at now, invasion becomes a much less likely scenario. This will probably be a long range war. And the U.S. will rely heavily on autonomous weaponry.

If you are from the US or UK you should be praying it's not inevitable. You will be dying to hold those mountains. This idea you have of long range warfare is non existent. You bomb you secure you hold. That means infantry and armor. Unlike Iraq, which was heavily divided religiously Iran is not. It is divided politically between left and right much like the US. Invading would cause a massive swing toward the right. The right is the Anti Western old school Khomeini way of thinking it's no joke .The left is the youth wanting freedoms and modernization. Unlike Al Qaeda, the Taliban, ISIS and most of the Iraqi insurgency's Iran is a Shiaa nation.

Can you imagine what invading them would do? Completely unite them politically. 80 million people united in a common hate for an invader that is made up of division.

Scary stuff all started because someone was dropping in the polls. We should all pray for Bernie Sanders to win because this guy being in charge of a super power is getting crazier by the day.

If the US couldn't successfully invade Vietnam, Korea, Iraq or Afghanistan what happens when they invade the country with the 13th most powerful military in the world?

[Godbody]

Ehh... I don't find the humor in this

[Godbody]

Ehh... I don't find the humor in this

[EtH]

Originally Posted by Godbody

Ehh... I don't find the humor in this

Google WW3 memes then.

[EtH]

Originally Posted by Godbody

Ehh... I don't find the humor in this

Google WW3 memes then.

[Godbody]

Most of ya'll Canadian and European arent you?

I seen the memes, but I'm not desensitized to the point where I dont value human lives

Its always memes & jokes until it affects you

[Godbody]

Most of ya'll Canadian and European arent you?

I seen the memes, but I'm not desensitized to the point where I dont value human lives

Its always memes & jokes until it affects you