As a Newcomer, I'd like to share my biggest 3 problems with this site

[DiZzReSpEkT]

Originally Posted by Student

Co-Sign with @Esso and you have valid points @Cosovic I won't be a dick and say these have been brought up before because that looks extra lame telling a new guy that they've been addressed but not fixed.


Not sure what a permanent fix looks like but in the meantime the Staff could be a little more vigilant in removing bullshit votes and informing those users that their vote was removed, they should explain future votes, etc. Especially now when we don't have that many battles going on.


Regular users should report others too, ideally not directly or publicly but to a Staff member to deal with.


This way, slowly, the culture starts to shift that on this website we're giving each other real feedback and not just stacking up wins.

Dawg the staff don’t give af about bullshit voting. Look at my battle with VA for evidence. Nigga had no multi’s, no metaphors and no meanings when I had all of the above. Got 2 people saying I was robbed. Don’t matter n ion really give af cuz Ik I should’ve won that but still, if the staff cared they’d look at every battle before it closes to make sure there was no obvious bullshit votes.

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Originally Posted by Kiwi Peewee

The idea of 5-10 voting mods is wonderful but unfortunately impossible. The current mod team is 3 people, one and a half of whom are active at the moment. The closest thing is the FVC (Fair Voters Club), which is designated to vote on important battles and try to cover as much of the basic arena as they can. They have a higher voting power (VP) than regular users so their votes can counteract bad voters'. The FVC is currently very small cos a few people have left but I'm looking to shore it back up in the coming days. I do think its important to let everyone have a voice on battles though, giving all the power to a small group of people can be dangerous and ultimately battle rap is an art, not a science, so there's no objective way to win except by winning over the crowd.

Homie ion mean to be a Dick, cause I appreciate you staff and all the bullshit you guys have to put up with, but the FVC is the most bullshit thing I’ve heard of. Y’all let me in there when I had no clue what the fuck I was doing, when my votes were ass, and when I literally did not know what a multi or punchline was and how it was different from a diss. N Ik I’ve changed since then but I think y’all should really close the FVC to members with high prestige n shit.


Problem is with all you headass rappers thinking they’re the best n shit (I’m not in anyway referring to you Kiwi, I’m going off topic and ranting, love ya mans) is that they forget that just because they’re good don’t mean they don’t have to vote on battles. If you’re on the forums and battling mf’s that just signed up, but can’t vote, you have some serious MF problems.

Same shit if you’re considered a GOAT but don’t vote and just come for big battles, looking at your MF ass Bleu/Noir/Other French mothafuckin colour.

I know I’m not the most consistent voter but at least I got my last 10 votes calculated by rhyme and flow as well as judging punchlines and shit by how hard they hit.

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Originally Posted by Esso

Unfortunately, people that are just looking to vote quick for credits will often look at a number of capped words or quotation marks and declare a winner. Votes that aren’t explained well can be removed by request if you talk to a mod. People should be explaining their votes more than the example you just gave. Mods have a low key way of dealing with folks that consistently cast bad votes. That third part? Don’t pay attention to the rankings....they don’t mean much of anything at all. Once you’re here a while you’ll know who’s who. Peep the tournaments if you want to know who’s actually good and whose votes should be paid more attention to as far as using feedback to improve.

Unfortunately, rushed and uneducated votes always have been and will be an issue. It’s just what it is. Don’t let it deter you though if you like this stuff....it really is one of the last great places left to text battle as it’s a dying ‘art’.

Agree with this, but problem is some people consider “good” different. Me for example, I could give a fuck less whether a verse is “clean” and structurally perfect, all I care is the schemes are complex and the punchlines hit har and are set-up with enough shit, that makes it hit even harder. I’m tired of some nerdy ass MF bars that hit like a wet ass mothafucking fart, but getting voted cause that shit “sTrUctUraLLy cLeAn”. Complex but choppy > Clean but basic.

But of course that’s all in my opinion. Someone could prefer and think clean verses that are smooth like Kylie Jenner’s taint are better than shit that’s choppy but conceptually unique.

It’s all up to the voter, and when the voter doesn’t vote what’s considered “good” in other battlers eyes, they get shit on.

But I think there’s a clear difference between a decisive win and a split victory.


But that’s just my 2 cents, I’m not obliging anyone to agree with me

[DiZzReSpEkT]

Originally Posted by Student

Co-Sign with @Esso and you have valid points @Cosovic I won't be a dick and say these have been brought up before because that looks extra lame telling a new guy that they've been addressed but not fixed.


Not sure what a permanent fix looks like but in the meantime the Staff could be a little more vigilant in removing bullshit votes and informing those users that their vote was removed, they should explain future votes, etc. Especially now when we don't have that many battles going on.


Regular users should report others too, ideally not directly or publicly but to a Staff member to deal with.


This way, slowly, the culture starts to shift that on this website we're giving each other real feedback and not just stacking up wins.

Dawg the staff don’t give af about bullshit voting. Look at my battle with VA for evidence. Nigga had no multi’s, no metaphors and no meanings when I had all of the above. Got 2 people saying I was robbed. Don’t matter n ion really give af cuz Ik I should’ve won that but still, if the staff cared they’d look at every battle before it closes to make sure there was no obvious bullshit votes.

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Originally Posted by Kiwi Peewee

The idea of 5-10 voting mods is wonderful but unfortunately impossible. The current mod team is 3 people, one and a half of whom are active at the moment. The closest thing is the FVC (Fair Voters Club), which is designated to vote on important battles and try to cover as much of the basic arena as they can. They have a higher voting power (VP) than regular users so their votes can counteract bad voters'. The FVC is currently very small cos a few people have left but I'm looking to shore it back up in the coming days. I do think its important to let everyone have a voice on battles though, giving all the power to a small group of people can be dangerous and ultimately battle rap is an art, not a science, so there's no objective way to win except by winning over the crowd.

Homie ion mean to be a Dick, cause I appreciate you staff and all the bullshit you guys have to put up with, but the FVC is the most bullshit thing I’ve heard of. Y’all let me in there when I had no clue what the fuck I was doing, when my votes were ass, and when I literally did not know what a multi or punchline was and how it was different from a diss. N Ik I’ve changed since then but I think y’all should really close the FVC to members with high prestige n shit.


Problem is with all you headass rappers thinking they’re the best n shit (I’m not in anyway referring to you Kiwi, I’m going off topic and ranting, love ya mans) is that they forget that just because they’re good don’t mean they don’t have to vote on battles. If you’re on the forums and battling mf’s that just signed up, but can’t vote, you have some serious MF problems.

Same shit if you’re considered a GOAT but don’t vote and just come for big battles, looking at your MF ass Bleu/Noir/Other French mothafuckin colour.

I know I’m not the most consistent voter but at least I got my last 10 votes calculated by rhyme and flow as well as judging punchlines and shit by how hard they hit.

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Originally Posted by Esso

Unfortunately, people that are just looking to vote quick for credits will often look at a number of capped words or quotation marks and declare a winner. Votes that aren’t explained well can be removed by request if you talk to a mod. People should be explaining their votes more than the example you just gave. Mods have a low key way of dealing with folks that consistently cast bad votes. That third part? Don’t pay attention to the rankings....they don’t mean much of anything at all. Once you’re here a while you’ll know who’s who. Peep the tournaments if you want to know who’s actually good and whose votes should be paid more attention to as far as using feedback to improve.

Unfortunately, rushed and uneducated votes always have been and will be an issue. It’s just what it is. Don’t let it deter you though if you like this stuff....it really is one of the last great places left to text battle as it’s a dying ‘art’.

Agree with this, but problem is some people consider “good” different. Me for example, I could give a fuck less whether a verse is “clean” and structurally perfect, all I care is the schemes are complex and the punchlines hit har and are set-up with enough shit, that makes it hit even harder. I’m tired of some nerdy ass MF bars that hit like a wet ass mothafucking fart, but getting voted cause that shit “sTrUctUraLLy cLeAn”. Complex but choppy > Clean but basic.

But of course that’s all in my opinion. Someone could prefer and think clean verses that are smooth like Kylie Jenner’s taint are better than shit that’s choppy but conceptually unique.

It’s all up to the voter, and when the voter doesn’t vote what’s considered “good” in other battlers eyes, they get shit on.

But I think there’s a clear difference between a decisive win and a split victory.


But that’s just my 2 cents, I’m not obliging anyone to agree with me

[Kiwi Peewee]

Originally Posted by Rain Matrix 2018

I fucked up i had a bunch of shit wrote out , and i was trying to end my last sentence with a question mark but all i get are these ÉÉÉÉÉ ... So i hit refresh tryina figure out how to fix it and lost everything. Had Some good points made too

But i was thinking , what if we did like UFC a little


Like we have leagues like datpiff had , but we have ... Beginners, Novices, Intermediate, Professional, & Champions ... And every new account starts off at beginner until the mods feel their ready to move up. (Maybe be made to battle someone in the higher league & have to win to get into it) Til then u can only battle people in your league.. & Maybe have your VP be based off that a little too. Beginners have 1 Vp... Professionals got 4Vp .. Champs get 5 ... That sorta thing. Since theyre obviously more skilled, theyd know a little more than a Novice. Maybe make it a title too .. like youll have the word Professional under your name ... kind of a respect thing. Plus its kinda like climbing up the ladder , Kinda fun starting at level 1 Eh


Have a ranking system since there aint an abundance of members anymore. And like , top 3-5 ranked get to challenge the champions. Topical, Grand Champ, 1 Bar ... Whatever. I dont see a point in There being beginner or novice titles aye ... Kinda redundant. Maybe sometimes still host Tournaments , as like a wildcard spot sorta thing So Everyone Gets a Chance.. & So we dont lose that cuz its still interesting to do

But like, #1 Every month gets first pick at what champ he wants ... & 2nd gets whatevers leftover, & So on. Maybe



Definately makes shit more interesting ... + its weird to have 20 grand champions walking around. Its almost weirder not to be a grand champ at this point


Fuckin pissed i lost that post tho i dont even wanna re-write it right now , its funner when shit just comes out naturally ... Maybe later


ThoughtsÉ .... Still cant make question marks

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It was more of a solution to #3 but it touched on #2 a little too ... + Theres no End-Goal to LB. Whatre we doing this for aye ... Make it a Game. It dont gotta be what i said, but do something .... Fuck when i work, i turn shit into a game ... Like lets mop this floor Ill make it fun bud

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Wow i really thought all that out on the spot Thats Like a whole blueprint to a video game bud


Pop Pop

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I Will Put My Title On The Line & Defend It By Myself


Now we get to see what Champions Feel Like Their Washed-up .... Automatically Remove Their Titles If They Say no Loll

I think the permanency of tournament titles is one of the biggest allures they have, and what draws 30 odd people to a tournament and makes it an event.

However, the idea of leagues etc is a good one imo; beyond the scope of what I can do in the short term but maybe going forward we can work towards it?

The ranking system was overhauled to become ELO tho so a lot of the issues have already been addressed

[Kiwi Peewee]

Originally Posted by Rain Matrix 2018

I fucked up i had a bunch of shit wrote out , and i was trying to end my last sentence with a question mark but all i get are these ÉÉÉÉÉ ... So i hit refresh tryina figure out how to fix it and lost everything. Had Some good points made too

But i was thinking , what if we did like UFC a little


Like we have leagues like datpiff had , but we have ... Beginners, Novices, Intermediate, Professional, & Champions ... And every new account starts off at beginner until the mods feel their ready to move up. (Maybe be made to battle someone in the higher league & have to win to get into it) Til then u can only battle people in your league.. & Maybe have your VP be based off that a little too. Beginners have 1 Vp... Professionals got 4Vp .. Champs get 5 ... That sorta thing. Since theyre obviously more skilled, theyd know a little more than a Novice. Maybe make it a title too .. like youll have the word Professional under your name ... kind of a respect thing. Plus its kinda like climbing up the ladder , Kinda fun starting at level 1 Eh


Have a ranking system since there aint an abundance of members anymore. And like , top 3-5 ranked get to challenge the champions. Topical, Grand Champ, 1 Bar ... Whatever. I dont see a point in There being beginner or novice titles aye ... Kinda redundant. Maybe sometimes still host Tournaments , as like a wildcard spot sorta thing So Everyone Gets a Chance.. & So we dont lose that cuz its still interesting to do

But like, #1 Every month gets first pick at what champ he wants ... & 2nd gets whatevers leftover, & So on. Maybe



Definately makes shit more interesting ... + its weird to have 20 grand champions walking around. Its almost weirder not to be a grand champ at this point


Fuckin pissed i lost that post tho i dont even wanna re-write it right now , its funner when shit just comes out naturally ... Maybe later


ThoughtsÉ .... Still cant make question marks

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It was more of a solution to #3 but it touched on #2 a little too ... + Theres no End-Goal to LB. Whatre we doing this for aye ... Make it a Game. It dont gotta be what i said, but do something .... Fuck when i work, i turn shit into a game ... Like lets mop this floor Ill make it fun bud

---------- Post added at 06:51 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:47 PM ----------

Wow i really thought all that out on the spot Thats Like a whole blueprint to a video game bud


Pop Pop

---------- Post added at 06:55 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:51 PM ----------

I Will Put My Title On The Line & Defend It By Myself


Now we get to see what Champions Feel Like Their Washed-up .... Automatically Remove Their Titles If They Say no Loll

I think the permanency of tournament titles is one of the biggest allures they have, and what draws 30 odd people to a tournament and makes it an event.

However, the idea of leagues etc is a good one imo; beyond the scope of what I can do in the short term but maybe going forward we can work towards it?

The ranking system was overhauled to become ELO tho so a lot of the issues have already been addressed

[Rain Matrix 2021]

Personally .... Being a champion isnt just about winning the title, its about Defending it ... Thats the other half of it. I know nobody wants to LOSE it ... thats the point. People get slack afterwards ... the game is over for them. If u make it so they CAN lose it, they wont want to. The Game Becomes Neverending ... They stay sharp, or A New Champion Is Crowned & They Gotta Work Their Way Up The Ladder Again. Being a Champion Should Mean Your Currently The Best ... Top of The Food Chain. Not a Has-been From 14 Years Ago (No Offence Splendid) ... Being the Champ Would Make u More Involved In The Site .... Not Make u Feel Like u Overcame the Best & Are Now Done. S'what i Felt Like ... I Got Bored After i Won This Shit 8 Years Ago. If i Stayed, Would i Still Be The Champ? Probly Not , But i woulda Stuck Around Longer & Tried To Win It Back

I had so many metaphores in my original post lol but heres one i remember. "Those that are on top wont wanna give up what they got to change a broken system." .. I explained it better & im not gonna repeat myself but subliminal shots at the government are implied lol. Basically , Sometimes To get something better, you gotta learn to let go of what you currently got. Or it dont change ... & LB is looking kinda broken to me

Does LB Need More Champions? Or Does LB Need to Be Fixed?

Im willing to Defend my Title , Aint like i got nothing to lose, if its for the best for the site. And if the champions dont get the memo, in a reasonable amount of time ... They probably wont miss not being the champion of a site they no longer log into.

Have a Title History , And make it a Big Part Of The Site so people Dont feel Too Cheated .... They still got Bragging Rights. Like .. u can be a 10x Grand Champion With the Way Im Thinking.

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Yo i actually think a newbie beat me once back when i was on LB's Shitlist

Is that more embarrassing for me, or for the site? Having your Tag Team Champion Lose To a Nigga That Never Battled Before


Kills the Prestige a Bit Dont it .... ... I mean it WAS hate voters , but Still .... Do u want Rusty Niggas That Cant Spit Representing The Site , Or People In Their Prime?


Think

[Rain Matrix 2021]

Personally .... Being a champion isnt just about winning the title, its about Defending it ... Thats the other half of it. I know nobody wants to LOSE it ... thats the point. People get slack afterwards ... the game is over for them. If u make it so they CAN lose it, they wont want to. The Game Becomes Neverending ... They stay sharp, or A New Champion Is Crowned & They Gotta Work Their Way Up The Ladder Again. Being a Champion Should Mean Your Currently The Best ... Top of The Food Chain. Not a Has-been From 14 Years Ago (No Offence Splendid) ... Being the Champ Would Make u More Involved In The Site .... Not Make u Feel Like u Overcame the Best & Are Now Done. S'what i Felt Like ... I Got Bored After i Won This Shit 8 Years Ago. If i Stayed, Would i Still Be The Champ? Probly Not , But i woulda Stuck Around Longer & Tried To Win It Back

I had so many metaphores in my original post lol but heres one i remember. "Those that are on top wont wanna give up what they got to change a broken system." .. I explained it better & im not gonna repeat myself but subliminal shots at the government are implied lol. Basically , Sometimes To get something better, you gotta learn to let go of what you currently got. Or it dont change ... & LB is looking kinda broken to me

Does LB Need More Champions? Or Does LB Need to Be Fixed?

Im willing to Defend my Title , Aint like i got nothing to lose, if its for the best for the site. And if the champions dont get the memo, in a reasonable amount of time ... They probably wont miss not being the champion of a site they no longer log into.

Have a Title History , And make it a Big Part Of The Site so people Dont feel Too Cheated .... They still got Bragging Rights. Like .. u can be a 10x Grand Champion With the Way Im Thinking.

---------- Post added at 09:33 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:26 PM ----------

Yo i actually think a newbie beat me once back when i was on LB's Shitlist

Is that more embarrassing for me, or for the site? Having your Tag Team Champion Lose To a Nigga That Never Battled Before


Kills the Prestige a Bit Dont it .... ... I mean it WAS hate voters , but Still .... Do u want Rusty Niggas That Cant Spit Representing The Site , Or People In Their Prime?


Think

[DiZzReSpEkT]

Originally Posted by Kiwi Peewee

I think the permanency of tournament titles is one of the biggest allures they have, and what draws 30 odd people to a tournament and makes it an event.

However, the idea of leagues etc is a good one imo; beyond the scope of what I can do in the short term but maybe going forward we can work towards it?

The ranking system was overhauled to become ELO tho so a lot of the issues have already been addressed

I agree a separate league should be added. As for that, I think the best idea is to have 3 tiers. Tier 1 being the rappers who have proven themselves immsensely and either have titles or are just general heavyweights. 2nd tier being rappers that have proven themselves but still have a way to go to become tournament finalists/semi-finalists.
Tier 3 would be newcomers, and general rookies.

How would you move up? Simply be the top rapper in your current tier, then challenge the bottom rapper in the above tier. Rapper that loses stays (If in worse tier) or moves down (if in better tier) and vice versa for rapper who wins.

Only problem anyone could point out with this system would be only two people going up / moving down between two tiers, not allowing other battlers to move up or go down, and therefore battling each other constantly. Simple solution. When a person moves up a tier they become 2nd last on the list, knocking the previous 2nd last down to last place. Same thing with the 1st, if he loses to the last in the other division he moves down 3 spots.

Think of it like UFC Top 15 / Top Contender.

MMA places perfected this system, and also perfected the next system i'll talk about.

Cards. Every important month (March/Easter, June Summer, October/Halloween, December/End of Year) put a main card. Have people on the site vote for which battles they want on the card. If everyone agrees to it the card goes. Have them rank their choices too, so that you can create a main event (dual main event), main card and undercard.

Also include some "mixweight" battles, think 1 of each of these: Tier 1 top battler vs Tier 3 Top Battler, Concept battle, Tag Team Battle, Topical Battle, Card Cypher (Solo or group drop).

Just an idea and it would take effort both on the community and the staff, but I believe this is something to work towards.

Having a free-structured site like we currently do just doesn't work, it should be structured and orderly. Still can keep this section for practice battles, but for an actual organized battle rap site, we should've had this from the start.



Another problem with the lack of engagement is the fact there is literally not any advertising for the site. I understand there's literally no funding either, but if active champions donate to the site and other battlers as well, we can get some people on here.

As much as we hate to have it, more ads is the only other way we can get revenue without donations

[DiZzReSpEkT]

Originally Posted by Kiwi Peewee

I think the permanency of tournament titles is one of the biggest allures they have, and what draws 30 odd people to a tournament and makes it an event.

However, the idea of leagues etc is a good one imo; beyond the scope of what I can do in the short term but maybe going forward we can work towards it?

The ranking system was overhauled to become ELO tho so a lot of the issues have already been addressed

I agree a separate league should be added. As for that, I think the best idea is to have 3 tiers. Tier 1 being the rappers who have proven themselves immsensely and either have titles or are just general heavyweights. 2nd tier being rappers that have proven themselves but still have a way to go to become tournament finalists/semi-finalists.
Tier 3 would be newcomers, and general rookies.

How would you move up? Simply be the top rapper in your current tier, then challenge the bottom rapper in the above tier. Rapper that loses stays (If in worse tier) or moves down (if in better tier) and vice versa for rapper who wins.

Only problem anyone could point out with this system would be only two people going up / moving down between two tiers, not allowing other battlers to move up or go down, and therefore battling each other constantly. Simple solution. When a person moves up a tier they become 2nd last on the list, knocking the previous 2nd last down to last place. Same thing with the 1st, if he loses to the last in the other division he moves down 3 spots.

Think of it like UFC Top 15 / Top Contender.

MMA places perfected this system, and also perfected the next system i'll talk about.

Cards. Every important month (March/Easter, June Summer, October/Halloween, December/End of Year) put a main card. Have people on the site vote for which battles they want on the card. If everyone agrees to it the card goes. Have them rank their choices too, so that you can create a main event (dual main event), main card and undercard.

Also include some "mixweight" battles, think 1 of each of these: Tier 1 top battler vs Tier 3 Top Battler, Concept battle, Tag Team Battle, Topical Battle, Card Cypher (Solo or group drop).

Just an idea and it would take effort both on the community and the staff, but I believe this is something to work towards.

Having a free-structured site like we currently do just doesn't work, it should be structured and orderly. Still can keep this section for practice battles, but for an actual organized battle rap site, we should've had this from the start.



Another problem with the lack of engagement is the fact there is literally not any advertising for the site. I understand there's literally no funding either, but if active champions donate to the site and other battlers as well, we can get some people on here.

As much as we hate to have it, more ads is the only other way we can get revenue without donations

[Rain Matrix 2021]

Aye The Thing The New LB Lacks That The Old LB Didnt Is .... The Respect. Respect Aint Shit On Here Anymore. We had Groups too ... The C$K Crowd Would be Cool With Another Crew or 2 And That was Them ... Then There'd be Lesser Known Groups Mingling ... Then u had Lyrikal Killaz, Hoodrich & Shit Chilling ... Like Clicks in High School Almost lol It was Fuckin Huge Tho. Now Theres like, 1 Crowd in the Forums ... And if u dont Hit it up Ur Like Alone Then. That'll get fixed if more people show up But That Was a Big Part of it


If a Nigga Made u Look Bad Back Then , That Impacted You .... Like it Would In Real Life. Nowadays Nobody Gives a Fuck .... Thats probably the biggest thing, Aside from the Lack of People & Our Pages Looking Too Cluttery

People cant Respect Each Other Because Theres No Hierarchy .... Know What I Mean? Theres like, a Basic Human Respect ... But That Aint Interesting u Get That Anywhere. This Site Needs a Food Chain, Something That Makes It More Exclusive. ... Where If You Put In Effort, You Get Rewarded ... Hence The Reward System Of The Brain. U know, The GOOD part of the brain.

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Yo Realnezz .. The "Mixweight" Idea is Sick. Make it an Option, Not a Rule of Thumb Though.

Im definately ripping UFC off a bit Not gonna Deny That. But it fucking works dont it

[Rain Matrix 2021]

Aye The Thing The New LB Lacks That The Old LB Didnt Is .... The Respect. Respect Aint Shit On Here Anymore. We had Groups too ... The C$K Crowd Would be Cool With Another Crew or 2 And That was Them ... Then There'd be Lesser Known Groups Mingling ... Then u had Lyrikal Killaz, Hoodrich & Shit Chilling ... Like Clicks in High School Almost lol It was Fuckin Huge Tho. Now Theres like, 1 Crowd in the Forums ... And if u dont Hit it up Ur Like Alone Then. That'll get fixed if more people show up But That Was a Big Part of it


If a Nigga Made u Look Bad Back Then , That Impacted You .... Like it Would In Real Life. Nowadays Nobody Gives a Fuck .... Thats probably the biggest thing, Aside from the Lack of People & Our Pages Looking Too Cluttery

People cant Respect Each Other Because Theres No Hierarchy .... Know What I Mean? Theres like, a Basic Human Respect ... But That Aint Interesting u Get That Anywhere. This Site Needs a Food Chain, Something That Makes It More Exclusive. ... Where If You Put In Effort, You Get Rewarded ... Hence The Reward System Of The Brain. U know, The GOOD part of the brain.

---------- Post added at 09:52 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:50 PM ----------

Yo Realnezz .. The "Mixweight" Idea is Sick. Make it an Option, Not a Rule of Thumb Though.

Im definately ripping UFC off a bit Not gonna Deny That. But it fucking works dont it

[DiZzReSpEkT]

Originally Posted by Rain Matrix 2018

Aye The Thing The New LB Lacks That The Old LB Didnt Is .... The Respect. Respect Aint Shit On Here Anymore. We had Groups too ... The C$K Crowd Would be Cool With Another Crew or 2 And That was Them ... Then There'd be Lesser Known Groups Mingling ... Then u had Lyrikal Killaz, Hoodrich & Shit Chilling ... Like Clicks in High School Almost lol It was Fuckin Huge Tho. Now Theres like, 1 Crowd in the Forums ... And if u dont Hit it up Ur Like Alone Then. That'll get fixed if more people show up But That Was a Big Part of it


If a Nigga Made u Look Bad Back Then , That Impacted You .... Like it Would In Real Life. Nowadays Nobody Gives a Fuck .... Thats probably the biggest thing, Aside from the Lack of People & Our Pages Looking Too Cluttery

People cant Respect Each Other Because Theres No Hierarchy .... Know What I Mean? Theres like, a Basic Human Respect ... But That Aint Interesting u Get That Anywhere. This Site Needs a Food Chain, Something That Makes It More Exclusive. ... Where If You Put In Effort, You Get Rewarded ... Hence The Reward System Of The Brain. U know, The GOOD part of the brain.

---------- Post added at 09:52 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:50 PM ----------

Yo Realnezz .. The "Mixweight" Idea is Sick. Make it an Option, Not a Rule of Thumb Though.

Im definately ripping UFC off a bit Not gonna Deny That. But it fucking works dont it

Agree with everything you said in this and the former post fam. You got a champions mindset, which is what this site needs. Lotta "champs" on here win this shit n abandon base. Hopefully you'll stick around longer fam. Site needs more people like you.

[DiZzReSpEkT]

Originally Posted by Rain Matrix 2018

Aye The Thing The New LB Lacks That The Old LB Didnt Is .... The Respect. Respect Aint Shit On Here Anymore. We had Groups too ... The C$K Crowd Would be Cool With Another Crew or 2 And That was Them ... Then There'd be Lesser Known Groups Mingling ... Then u had Lyrikal Killaz, Hoodrich & Shit Chilling ... Like Clicks in High School Almost lol It was Fuckin Huge Tho. Now Theres like, 1 Crowd in the Forums ... And if u dont Hit it up Ur Like Alone Then. That'll get fixed if more people show up But That Was a Big Part of it


If a Nigga Made u Look Bad Back Then , That Impacted You .... Like it Would In Real Life. Nowadays Nobody Gives a Fuck .... Thats probably the biggest thing, Aside from the Lack of People & Our Pages Looking Too Cluttery

People cant Respect Each Other Because Theres No Hierarchy .... Know What I Mean? Theres like, a Basic Human Respect ... But That Aint Interesting u Get That Anywhere. This Site Needs a Food Chain, Something That Makes It More Exclusive. ... Where If You Put In Effort, You Get Rewarded ... Hence The Reward System Of The Brain. U know, The GOOD part of the brain.

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Yo Realnezz .. The "Mixweight" Idea is Sick. Make it an Option, Not a Rule of Thumb Though.

Im definately ripping UFC off a bit Not gonna Deny That. But it fucking works dont it

Agree with everything you said in this and the former post fam. You got a champions mindset, which is what this site needs. Lotta "champs" on here win this shit n abandon base. Hopefully you'll stick around longer fam. Site needs more people like you.

[Rain Matrix 2021]

Nah theres already 1 too many of me haha ... Site needs more people being original. Let their real selves out , get some personality in this bitch so it isn't all the same.

I show off my weird quirks aye ... Im a lot of different things, im only like 5% gangster. That only comes out when needed , Like a Last Resort. Id Rather Get Along , Crack Jokes, Do Drugs , Fuck Bitches , Talk about Random Shit, Be Real With Myself & Be Happy ... Dont that sound better than acting tough?

Idk some people like it . I Feel Bad Afterwards , But Saving That Shit As a Last Resort Atleast I Can Tell Myself I Needed to Do What i Did. My Conscience Is Usually Guilt-Free

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Aye its usually better to have a friend than an Enemy .... .... Some things need to happen for the greater good though .... If u gotta do something , try to send a message when u do it , so it doesn't need to happen again ... But dont try to look like your mr.tough Cuz u dont need that rep ... Thats something your gonna have to back up , And the guys your gonna have to prove that too Are Gonna be Confident lol

[Rain Matrix 2021]

Nah theres already 1 too many of me haha ... Site needs more people being original. Let their real selves out , get some personality in this bitch so it isn't all the same.

I show off my weird quirks aye ... Im a lot of different things, im only like 5% gangster. That only comes out when needed , Like a Last Resort. Id Rather Get Along , Crack Jokes, Do Drugs , Fuck Bitches , Talk about Random Shit, Be Real With Myself & Be Happy ... Dont that sound better than acting tough?

Idk some people like it . I Feel Bad Afterwards , But Saving That Shit As a Last Resort Atleast I Can Tell Myself I Needed to Do What i Did. My Conscience Is Usually Guilt-Free

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Aye its usually better to have a friend than an Enemy .... .... Some things need to happen for the greater good though .... If u gotta do something , try to send a message when u do it , so it doesn't need to happen again ... But dont try to look like your mr.tough Cuz u dont need that rep ... Thats something your gonna have to back up , And the guys your gonna have to prove that too Are Gonna be Confident lol

[Kiwi Peewee]

Originally Posted by Realnezz

I agree a separate league should be added. As for that, I think the best idea is to have 3 tiers. Tier 1 being the rappers who have proven themselves immsensely and either have titles or are just general heavyweights. 2nd tier being rappers that have proven themselves but still have a way to go to become tournament finalists/semi-finalists.
Tier 3 would be newcomers, and general rookies.

How would you move up? Simply be the top rapper in your current tier, then challenge the bottom rapper in the above tier. Rapper that loses stays (If in worse tier) or moves down (if in better tier) and vice versa for rapper who wins.

Only problem anyone could point out with this system would be only two people going up / moving down between two tiers, not allowing other battlers to move up or go down, and therefore battling each other constantly. Simple solution. When a person moves up a tier they become 2nd last on the list, knocking the previous 2nd last down to last place. Same thing with the 1st, if he loses to the last in the other division he moves down 3 spots.

Think of it like UFC Top 15 / Top Contender.

MMA places perfected this system, and also perfected the next system i'll talk about.

Cards. Every important month (March/Easter, June Summer, October/Halloween, December/End of Year) put a main card. Have people on the site vote for which battles they want on the card. If everyone agrees to it the card goes. Have them rank their choices too, so that you can create a main event (dual main event), main card and undercard.

Also include some "mixweight" battles, think 1 of each of these: Tier 1 top battler vs Tier 3 Top Battler, Concept battle, Tag Team Battle, Topical Battle, Card Cypher (Solo or group drop).

Just an idea and it would take effort both on the community and the staff, but I believe this is something to work towards.

Having a free-structured site like we currently do just doesn't work, it should be structured and orderly. Still can keep this section for practice battles, but for an actual organized battle rap site, we should've had this from the start.



Another problem with the lack of engagement is the fact there is literally not any advertising for the site. I understand there's literally no funding either, but if active champions donate to the site and other battlers as well, we can get some people on here.

As much as we hate to have it, more ads is the only other way we can get revenue without donations

The PPV Cards idea has been implemented with the LBA, LBT and THC competitions. All of them are effectively dead in the water at the moment because nobody shows up to compete. The unstructured nature of the basic arena serves to give people the freedom to battle on the few occasions they actually give a shit, although I think it would be a good idea to set up some kind of league for the rookies and newer guys.

[Kiwi Peewee]

Originally Posted by Realnezz

I agree a separate league should be added. As for that, I think the best idea is to have 3 tiers. Tier 1 being the rappers who have proven themselves immsensely and either have titles or are just general heavyweights. 2nd tier being rappers that have proven themselves but still have a way to go to become tournament finalists/semi-finalists.
Tier 3 would be newcomers, and general rookies.

How would you move up? Simply be the top rapper in your current tier, then challenge the bottom rapper in the above tier. Rapper that loses stays (If in worse tier) or moves down (if in better tier) and vice versa for rapper who wins.

Only problem anyone could point out with this system would be only two people going up / moving down between two tiers, not allowing other battlers to move up or go down, and therefore battling each other constantly. Simple solution. When a person moves up a tier they become 2nd last on the list, knocking the previous 2nd last down to last place. Same thing with the 1st, if he loses to the last in the other division he moves down 3 spots.

Think of it like UFC Top 15 / Top Contender.

MMA places perfected this system, and also perfected the next system i'll talk about.

Cards. Every important month (March/Easter, June Summer, October/Halloween, December/End of Year) put a main card. Have people on the site vote for which battles they want on the card. If everyone agrees to it the card goes. Have them rank their choices too, so that you can create a main event (dual main event), main card and undercard.

Also include some "mixweight" battles, think 1 of each of these: Tier 1 top battler vs Tier 3 Top Battler, Concept battle, Tag Team Battle, Topical Battle, Card Cypher (Solo or group drop).

Just an idea and it would take effort both on the community and the staff, but I believe this is something to work towards.

Having a free-structured site like we currently do just doesn't work, it should be structured and orderly. Still can keep this section for practice battles, but for an actual organized battle rap site, we should've had this from the start.



Another problem with the lack of engagement is the fact there is literally not any advertising for the site. I understand there's literally no funding either, but if active champions donate to the site and other battlers as well, we can get some people on here.

As much as we hate to have it, more ads is the only other way we can get revenue without donations

The PPV Cards idea has been implemented with the LBA, LBT and THC competitions. All of them are effectively dead in the water at the moment because nobody shows up to compete. The unstructured nature of the basic arena serves to give people the freedom to battle on the few occasions they actually give a shit, although I think it would be a good idea to set up some kind of league for the rookies and newer guys.

[Rain Matrix 2021]

Lol Yo At My Worst ... I Think i Got Into 12 Fights In 1 Month. That dont sound too bad until u realize i was in a fight every 2-3 days, atleast. My hand was fried yo, it never got a chance to heal ... 2 of my Knuckles are Fucked for life cause of that.

Everyone knew who i was and they wanted a shot at me lol .... I was the guy to go to, and i hated backing down so I was Like Fuck it Lets do this. But by the end , i couldnt throw a punch without hurting myself more than id hurt u .. so i had to learn how to walk away.

Everything in Life is a Learning Experience ... Literally Everything, U just gotta learn to recognize it. Knowledge is Like a Snowball Effect .. The More u Know, The More u CAN know. U can teach yourself shit at a certain point, Piece things together. I got the brain of a Therapist, & a Philosopher, & A Little Street Smart Too Plus some other shit maybe. Im a bigger-picture kind of guy

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iiight ima shut up now i get off topic too easily hah

[Rain Matrix 2021]

Lol Yo At My Worst ... I Think i Got Into 12 Fights In 1 Month. That dont sound too bad until u realize i was in a fight every 2-3 days, atleast. My hand was fried yo, it never got a chance to heal ... 2 of my Knuckles are Fucked for life cause of that.

Everyone knew who i was and they wanted a shot at me lol .... I was the guy to go to, and i hated backing down so I was Like Fuck it Lets do this. But by the end , i couldnt throw a punch without hurting myself more than id hurt u .. so i had to learn how to walk away.

Everything in Life is a Learning Experience ... Literally Everything, U just gotta learn to recognize it. Knowledge is Like a Snowball Effect .. The More u Know, The More u CAN know. U can teach yourself shit at a certain point, Piece things together. I got the brain of a Therapist, & a Philosopher, & A Little Street Smart Too Plus some other shit maybe. Im a bigger-picture kind of guy

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iiight ima shut up now i get off topic too easily hah

[DiZzReSpEkT]

Originally Posted by Kiwi Peewee

The PPV Cards idea has been implemented with the LBA, LBT and THC competitions. All of them are effectively dead in the water at the moment because nobody shows up to compete. The unstructured nature of the basic arena serves to give people the freedom to battle on the few occasions they actually give a shit, although I think it would be a good idea to set up some kind of league for the rookies and newer guys.

Thats cause ultimately, y'all aint doing enough to stop people from no-showing, and or not giving them motivation to battle.

Why battle on here? Most people that are battling on here are here for two reasons only, to try and become good, or to battle because they love battling.

Only one of those two is sustainable, and that is the latter.

When something is your hobby and you become decently good at it, it becomes fun to try and test your skill against people of high caliber and be in competition for titles. You have nothing but your prestige to lose. But you don't care about prestige because you value the art form and want it to grow. The art form itself is encouraging you, as well as everyone complimenting your skill level and shit.

But when you're starting out, literally only you are motivating yourself, the thought of becoming top-tier, the dream of becoming top-tier. But when there's nothing else, it feels like there's no reason to continue battling.

It's actually the reason for both of my hiatus's. I didn't feel like there was any reason to continue.

Of course you could make the argument "If you truly wanted to become the best you would try no matter what" or "You should have to earn shit" but there is limited to no reason as to how to improve. Skizzo's Rap Bible needs more shit and updating, and is hard af to find, people dont respond when you ask them for help, and most "elevation crews" run by certain people are basically just people with a powertrip that want to be "at the top" of something. Now if these crews actually had people that would actively help you, they wouldn't be that bad, and if they were run by champions, it would be even better.

Problem is, and let's face it, Letsbeef only caters to people who know what they're doing. Most voters just say "This was shit, this was shit. Bye", and that shit does nothing. You need to DM people and tell them, "Yo, your shit might not be the best now, but do this and try this instead, and that might help make a stronger bar.".

Not tryna say rookies or champions are more important, but its a matter of fact that without either of them the site would eventually fall.

Thats why you need to help people.


Also you is not referring to Kiwi, it refers to everyone reading this thread..

[DiZzReSpEkT]

Originally Posted by Kiwi Peewee

The PPV Cards idea has been implemented with the LBA, LBT and THC competitions. All of them are effectively dead in the water at the moment because nobody shows up to compete. The unstructured nature of the basic arena serves to give people the freedom to battle on the few occasions they actually give a shit, although I think it would be a good idea to set up some kind of league for the rookies and newer guys.

Thats cause ultimately, y'all aint doing enough to stop people from no-showing, and or not giving them motivation to battle.

Why battle on here? Most people that are battling on here are here for two reasons only, to try and become good, or to battle because they love battling.

Only one of those two is sustainable, and that is the latter.

When something is your hobby and you become decently good at it, it becomes fun to try and test your skill against people of high caliber and be in competition for titles. You have nothing but your prestige to lose. But you don't care about prestige because you value the art form and want it to grow. The art form itself is encouraging you, as well as everyone complimenting your skill level and shit.

But when you're starting out, literally only you are motivating yourself, the thought of becoming top-tier, the dream of becoming top-tier. But when there's nothing else, it feels like there's no reason to continue battling.

It's actually the reason for both of my hiatus's. I didn't feel like there was any reason to continue.

Of course you could make the argument "If you truly wanted to become the best you would try no matter what" or "You should have to earn shit" but there is limited to no reason as to how to improve. Skizzo's Rap Bible needs more shit and updating, and is hard af to find, people dont respond when you ask them for help, and most "elevation crews" run by certain people are basically just people with a powertrip that want to be "at the top" of something. Now if these crews actually had people that would actively help you, they wouldn't be that bad, and if they were run by champions, it would be even better.

Problem is, and let's face it, Letsbeef only caters to people who know what they're doing. Most voters just say "This was shit, this was shit. Bye", and that shit does nothing. You need to DM people and tell them, "Yo, your shit might not be the best now, but do this and try this instead, and that might help make a stronger bar.".

Not tryna say rookies or champions are more important, but its a matter of fact that without either of them the site would eventually fall.

Thats why you need to help people.


Also you is not referring to Kiwi, it refers to everyone reading this thread..