Why is it ok for companies/universities to be racist?

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Originally Posted by Subreal

The alternative is remove affirmative action, and not hire based on race, gender, etc. While I agree that their may be some closet racist hiring managers etc out there, I think its way blown out of proportion. And I don't think people consider the possibility that if some race is really unrepresented in a particular profession field, maybe there just isn't a lot of people of that race interested in that field, it's not always racist.

Judging from history, if you remove affirmative action, people will still hire/enroll based on race, gender or other personal preference. Removing affirmative action will only remove the government telling companies how to hire based on race/gender (via quotas, etc), but it won't remove the practice of people giving or not giving positions to other people based on factors other than qualification. I agree that the (obvious) alternative is to simply not hire based on race/gender. But without some type of government mandate, or at the very least, social consequences, people seem unlikely to do that on their own. That's another thing too that I failed to mention in my previous post. It's not only the government mandate that's driving these companies to hire people from underrepresented groups, but it is also a consideration of social and sometimes even financial consequences.
For example, a lot of beauty supply stores that cater to black women are actually owned by Koreans. It used to be obvious as when you walk into these stores you'll see a Korean at the counter or stocking the shelves. But more and more when you walk into some of these stores nowadays, you'll see nothing but black employees despite that it is still Korean owned. Why? The stores that were staffed with black employees were making more money because the customer base, which is mostly black, feels more comfortable buying black hair products from people who look like them. So it's actually a financial bottom-line decision for the owners of a lot of these stores to put someone black at the counter. I'm not saying it is right or fair that the customers should feel more comfortable dealing with someone from one particular race or another, but it is a reality, and companies sometimes make hiring decisions because of things like that and not necessarily because of some government mandate. They consider how the public will view them as a company, and particularly their customer base.

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Originally Posted by Subreal

The alternative is remove affirmative action, and not hire based on race, gender, etc. While I agree that their may be some closet racist hiring managers etc out there, I think its way blown out of proportion. And I don't think people consider the possibility that if some race is really unrepresented in a particular profession field, maybe there just isn't a lot of people of that race interested in that field, it's not always racist.

Judging from history, if you remove affirmative action, people will still hire/enroll based on race, gender or other personal preference. Removing affirmative action will only remove the government telling companies how to hire based on race/gender (via quotas, etc), but it won't remove the practice of people giving or not giving positions to other people based on factors other than qualification. I agree that the (obvious) alternative is to simply not hire based on race/gender. But without some type of government mandate, or at the very least, social consequences, people seem unlikely to do that on their own. That's another thing too that I failed to mention in my previous post. It's not only the government mandate that's driving these companies to hire people from underrepresented groups, but it is also a consideration of social and sometimes even financial consequences.
For example, a lot of beauty supply stores that cater to black women are actually owned by Koreans. It used to be obvious as when you walk into these stores you'll see a Korean at the counter or stocking the shelves. But more and more when you walk into some of these stores nowadays, you'll see nothing but black employees despite that it is still Korean owned. Why? The stores that were staffed with black employees were making more money because the customer base, which is mostly black, feels more comfortable buying black hair products from people who look like them. So it's actually a financial bottom-line decision for the owners of a lot of these stores to put someone black at the counter. I'm not saying it is right or fair that the customers should feel more comfortable dealing with someone from one particular race or another, but it is a reality, and companies sometimes make hiring decisions because of things like that and not necessarily because of some government mandate. They consider how the public will view them as a company, and particularly their customer base.

Originally Posted by Seul

Is this an American thing?

haha my thoughts exactly

Originally Posted by Seul

Is this an American thing?

haha my thoughts exactly

[Shodan]

Originally Posted by Rant

It is also social, other mental, and physical disabilities.

I'm sure you'd know about those.

[Shodan]

Originally Posted by Rant

It is also social, other mental, and physical disabilities.

I'm sure you'd know about those.

When you are applying for a job here they ask you : Do you identify as Islander or Aboriginal

When you are applying for a job here they ask you : Do you identify as Islander or Aboriginal

It's not a bad launchpad. Basically, the point is to try and allow people of diverse races and genders that may not be as frequent in higher education the opportunity to begin building towards it. The reason that many black people still reside in low income areas is because it is less likely for someone in a low income area to get out and begin making something positive, and the reason why black people were moved to those areas in the first place was due to racism. There's other examples with other races/genders.

It's all about improving the world in a broader spectrum. Does it suck that I could get turned down for an engineering class as it's full, while there are plenty of openings in a woman's specific engineering class? Yeah that would suck. But woman are continuously unhappy and complaining about the wage gap (not realizing that the wage gap is only specific to overall earnings, and has nothing to do with equal work). It's making them unhappy, and the reason behind this is women typically go for nursing jobs instead of surgeon jobs. Equal opportunities programs, like easier college admittance or striving for diversity in the work place, allows that foot on the ladder and the hope is that eventually it can be faded out as every race, gender and creed becomes well represented.

Obviously, this will never happen as no race, creed or gender is actually looking for "equality", but still...

It's not a bad launchpad. Basically, the point is to try and allow people of diverse races and genders that may not be as frequent in higher education the opportunity to begin building towards it. The reason that many black people still reside in low income areas is because it is less likely for someone in a low income area to get out and begin making something positive, and the reason why black people were moved to those areas in the first place was due to racism. There's other examples with other races/genders.

It's all about improving the world in a broader spectrum. Does it suck that I could get turned down for an engineering class as it's full, while there are plenty of openings in a woman's specific engineering class? Yeah that would suck. But woman are continuously unhappy and complaining about the wage gap (not realizing that the wage gap is only specific to overall earnings, and has nothing to do with equal work). It's making them unhappy, and the reason behind this is women typically go for nursing jobs instead of surgeon jobs. Equal opportunities programs, like easier college admittance or striving for diversity in the work place, allows that foot on the ladder and the hope is that eventually it can be faded out as every race, gender and creed becomes well represented.

Obviously, this will never happen as no race, creed or gender is actually looking for "equality", but still...

[Rain Matrix 2021]

It's only racist when white people do it

I seen an apartment building with a sign basically sayING Chinese people only. If white people did that we'd be shot ... its Cuz yall want to live with us. We're not about to fight to live with a chink tho ... we allow u to live in this country, we're not begging yall

I can see some reasons as to why ud wanna only hire certain kinds of people tho ... if I'm working at a Lebanese retaurant, where most of the customers speak limited English .. they're gonna want someone that can speak their language

Also if an Asian is running a small store ... itd make them feel more at home to keep it in the race. U have to see these people everyday, u might as well like them. Like statistically speaking we as a species prefer our own races. I'll chill if u can speak my language without some weird dialect tho

Ending point: white people can't do this without protestor's showing up. Everyone else is exempt

[Rain Matrix 2021]

It's only racist when white people do it

I seen an apartment building with a sign basically sayING Chinese people only. If white people did that we'd be shot ... its Cuz yall want to live with us. We're not about to fight to live with a chink tho ... we allow u to live in this country, we're not begging yall

I can see some reasons as to why ud wanna only hire certain kinds of people tho ... if I'm working at a Lebanese retaurant, where most of the customers speak limited English .. they're gonna want someone that can speak their language

Also if an Asian is running a small store ... itd make them feel more at home to keep it in the race. U have to see these people everyday, u might as well like them. Like statistically speaking we as a species prefer our own races. I'll chill if u can speak my language without some weird dialect tho

Ending point: white people can't do this without protestor's showing up. Everyone else is exempt

Originally Posted by Shodan

I'm sure you'd know about those.

Wow, if this isn't the pot calling the kettle autistic.

Originally Posted by Shodan

I'm sure you'd know about those.

Wow, if this isn't the pot calling the kettle autistic.

[Shodan]

Originally Posted by Rant

Wow, if this isn't the pot calling the kettle autistic.

Autist

[Shodan]

Originally Posted by Rant

Wow, if this isn't the pot calling the kettle autistic.

Autist

Originally Posted by Shodan

Autist

Don't you have some lolicon to post somewhere, chomo?

Originally Posted by Shodan

Autist

Don't you have some lolicon to post somewhere, chomo?

[Helsing]

Maybe you're just ugly. A hiring manager or someone in that aspect of authority in a work place has to think about his or her's mental health and the future of the company. Maybe not seeing Freddy Krueger's Toyota Sienna parked in the parking lot as you pull into work isn't such a bad thing.

[Helsing]

Maybe you're just ugly. A hiring manager or someone in that aspect of authority in a work place has to think about his or her's mental health and the future of the company. Maybe not seeing Freddy Krueger's Toyota Sienna parked in the parking lot as you pull into work isn't such a bad thing.