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Yeah that's true his position of authority in that community won't even come into play. If he was illegally carrying a fire arm, in the eyes of the law, No matter how extreme the situation might have been. He point blank shouldn't have been carrying so there's no use in him phoning the police as a way to 'cover his back'. If he was legal then that would be an avenue to look into. But he wasn't so meh.
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that is an interesting point. but im gunna guess its in neighborhood watch protocall to phone the police before making any kind of advance on an individual. you do have to go through a little program to be a neighborhood watch dont you?
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Yeah that's true his position of authority in that community won't even come into play. If he was illegally carrying a fire arm, in the eyes of the law, No matter how extreme the situation might have been. He point blank shouldn't have been carrying so there's no use in him phoning the police as a way to 'cover his back'. If he was legal then that would be an avenue to look into. But he wasn't so meh.
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that is an interesting point. but im gunna guess its in neighborhood watch protocall to phone the police before making any kind of advance on an individual. you do have to go through a little program to be a neighborhood watch dont you?
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that is an interesting point. but im gunna guess its in neighborhood watch protocall to phone the police before making any kind of advance on an individual. you do have to go through a little program to be a neighborhood watch dont you?
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Yeah well I was thinking that. It will be on Zimmerman to disclose his past convictions to NHW in order to be given a fire arm. And if he doesn't disclose the information it will then be on NHW to inform the authority's so they can run a back ground check.
Did Zimmerman not disclose his past and did the NHW then not check themselves before putting him in a 'position of power' and handing him a deadly weapon to carry about his person?
Maybe.
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Yeah well I was thinking that. It will be on Zimmerman to disclose his past convictions to NHW in order to be given a fire arm. And if he doesn't disclose the information it will then be on NHW to inform the authority's so they can run a back ground check.
Did Zimmerman not disclose his past and did the NHW then not check themselves before putting him in a 'position of power' and handing him a deadly weapon to carry about his person?
Maybe.
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But saying that it still wouldn't make a difference because he's still carrying illegally. All this would mean is that someone else will get dragged down with him for not doing there job by checking his past before strapping him up n sending him out on the streets.
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that is an interesting point. but im gunna guess its in neighborhood watch protocall to phone the police before making any kind of advance on an individual. you do have to go through a little program to be a neighborhood watch dont you?
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Yeah well I was thinking that. It will be on Zimmerman to disclose his past convictions to NHW in order to be given a fire arm. And if he doesn't disclose the information it will then be on NHW to inform the authority's so they can run a back ground check.
Did Zimmerman not disclose his past and did the NHW then not check themselves before putting him in a 'position of power' and handing him a deadly weapon to carry about his person?
Maybe.
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Yeah well I was thinking that. It will be on Zimmerman to disclose his past convictions to NHW in order to be given a fire arm. And if he doesn't disclose the information it will then be on NHW to inform the authority's so they can run a back ground check.
Did Zimmerman not disclose his past and did the NHW then not check themselves before putting him in a 'position of power' and handing him a deadly weapon to carry about his person?
Maybe.
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But saying that it still wouldn't make a difference because he's still carrying illegally. All this would mean is that someone else will get dragged down with him for not doing there job by checking his past before strapping him up n sending him out on the streets.
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man no offense but you sound like a coward.
he had a pistol for neighborhood safety? he was literally forbidden by the same police officials you believe he holds first and formost to have that pistol. DOUBLY forbidden to have it on his person, he isnt even allowed to have one in his vicinity. So he called the cops, then directly disobeyed them. he was hoping for a "engage" and he got a "fall back". this is the second violation of police orders by zimmerman in the situation. circumstantial evidence = guilty
and by the coward remark im talking about you justifying the death of a 17 year old kid cause his ice tea bottle could possibly be mistaken for a weapon. and im not saying im a hero, i would be scared of whatever was in his pocket. but i wouldnt have killed him for it, cause i don't carry a gun... i have no reason to be afraid of my fellow men and women unlike these fuckin chicken shits you hear about all the time in places like florida
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man no offense but you sound like a coward.
he had a pistol for neighborhood safety? he was literally forbidden by the same police officials you believe he holds first and formost to have that pistol. DOUBLY forbidden to have it on his person, he isnt even allowed to have one in his vicinity. So he called the cops, then directly disobeyed them. he was hoping for a "engage" and he got a "fall back". this is the second violation of police orders by zimmerman in the situation. circumstantial evidence = guilty
and by the coward remark im talking about you justifying the death of a 17 year old kid cause his ice tea bottle could possibly be mistaken for a weapon. and im not saying im a hero, i would be scared of whatever was in his pocket. but i wouldnt have killed him for it, cause i don't carry a gun... i have no reason to be afraid of my fellow men and women unlike these fuckin chicken shits you hear about all the time in places like florida
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and know what urks me the most? the family of trayvon has lost their fucking kid for no reason. usually when that happens the police are on your side, helping you find peace. not with this case. with this case the family is left hung out to dry by the police and the rest of the nation, now having to read all the bullshit written about hoodies and placing their kid at fault
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Does the gun come as part of being neighbourhood watch? cause if so if he intended to kill him it would have been traced back to him. So why not call the police? you're going to get caught anyway. This would just make it look like he had reasonable cause. lessen his sentence at the least or get him off scott free.
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good point. from the outcome it SEEMS (just as it seems black people would commit a crime before white people) based off of the outcome of the situation regardless of police input, that zimmerman was just covering his bases.
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man no offense but you sound like a coward.
he had a pistol for neighborhood safety? he was literally forbidden by the same police officials you believe he holds first and formost to have that pistol. DOUBLY forbidden to have it on his person, he isnt even allowed to have one in his vicinity. So he called the cops, then directly disobeyed them. he was hoping for a "engage" and he got a "fall back". this is the second violation of police orders by zimmerman in the situation. circumstantial evidence = guilty
and by the coward remark im talking about you justifying the death of a 17 year old kid cause his ice tea bottle could possibly be mistaken for a weapon. and im not saying im a hero, i would be scared of whatever was in his pocket. but i wouldnt have killed him for it, cause i don't carry a gun... i have no reason to be afraid of my fellow men and women unlike these fuckin chicken shits you hear about all the time in places like florida
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man no offense but you sound like a coward.
he had a pistol for neighborhood safety? he was literally forbidden by the same police officials you believe he holds first and formost to have that pistol. DOUBLY forbidden to have it on his person, he isnt even allowed to have one in his vicinity. So he called the cops, then directly disobeyed them. he was hoping for a "engage" and he got a "fall back". this is the second violation of police orders by zimmerman in the situation. circumstantial evidence = guilty
and by the coward remark im talking about you justifying the death of a 17 year old kid cause his ice tea bottle could possibly be mistaken for a weapon. and im not saying im a hero, i would be scared of whatever was in his pocket. but i wouldnt have killed him for it, cause i don't carry a gun... i have no reason to be afraid of my fellow men and women unlike these fuckin chicken shits you hear about all the time in places like florida
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and know what urks me the most? the family of trayvon has lost their fucking kid for no reason. usually when that happens the police are on your side, helping you find peace. not with this case. with this case the family is left hung out to dry by the police and the rest of the nation, now having to read all the bullshit written about hoodies and placing their kid at fault
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Does the gun come as part of being neighbourhood watch? cause if so if he intended to kill him it would have been traced back to him. So why not call the police? you're going to get caught anyway. This would just make it look like he had reasonable cause. lessen his sentence at the least or get him off scott free.
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good point. from the outcome it SEEMS (just as it seems black people would commit a crime before white people) based off of the outcome of the situation regardless of police input, that zimmerman was just covering his bases.
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firstly you are not him so you cannot say what you would have done in this position because you were not in it
secondly, everyone grows up in different ways in different environments
you dont know if his best friend died in a similar fashion and he had reason to think it could happen to him
dude at the end of this day everything comes back to the fact that we are VERY ignorant in terms of what happened in this situation. we can sit here and try to piece together
realty through hundreds of newsclips or we can wait for police to do their jobs
all this "you sound like a coward" blah blah stuff really doesnt matter
you might think you know but you dont know much. and what you do know is the product of biases, half-truths, and falsified info
id rather keep my mouth shut when that is the case
thats all i really gotta say
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proved my point. your priorities are fucked up. you are quick to justify the fairness of assumptions in regards to violence in the african american community based on black crime rates (statistics are half truths, biases, and falsified info) you don't know the people taking the statistics, you don't know the root problems leading to these statistics, you don't know jack shit but the numbers... but somehow in this situation is completely unfair of me to assume the most probable.
heres another thing. your really gunna compare trayvons girlfriend to zimmers authority officials? man your reaching at straws right now for what? your so adamant about the fairness of this situation when you've proven fairness isnt owed to all people in your book.
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firstly you are not him so you cannot say what you would have done in this position because you were not in it
secondly, everyone grows up in different ways in different environments
you dont know if his best friend died in a similar fashion and he had reason to think it could happen to him
dude at the end of this day everything comes back to the fact that we are VERY ignorant in terms of what happened in this situation. we can sit here and try to piece together
realty through hundreds of newsclips or we can wait for police to do their jobs
all this "you sound like a coward" blah blah stuff really doesnt matter
you might think you know but you dont know much. and what you do know is the product of biases, half-truths, and falsified info
id rather keep my mouth shut when that is the case
thats all i really gotta say
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proved my point. your priorities are fucked up. you are quick to justify the fairness of assumptions in regards to violence in the african american community based on black crime rates (statistics are half truths, biases, and falsified info) you don't know the people taking the statistics, you don't know the root problems leading to these statistics, you don't know jack shit but the numbers... but somehow in this situation is completely unfair of me to assume the most probable.
heres another thing. your really gunna compare trayvons girlfriend to zimmers authority officials? man your reaching at straws right now for what? your so adamant about the fairness of this situation when you've proven fairness isnt owed to all people in your book.
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The chances are that this argument is NEVER going to end. It's just one of those things...
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The chances are that this argument is NEVER going to end. It's just one of those things...
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The chances are that this argument is NEVER going to end. It's just one of those things...
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Because it happens all too often, sadly, it is just 1 of those thing's but at the same time it's an intriguing case that everyone is debating. Personally I think it's interesting debate material trying to put the pieces together with what "evidence" we have. I use evidence loosely. I'm learning a lot about peoples political views and stances.
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The chances are that this argument is NEVER going to end. It's just one of those things...
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Because it happens all too often, sadly, it is just 1 of those thing's but at the same time it's an intriguing case that everyone is debating. Personally I think it's interesting debate material trying to put the pieces together with what "evidence" we have. I use evidence loosely. I'm learning a lot about peoples political views and stances.
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Because it happens all too often, sadly, it is just 1 of those thing's but at the same time it's an intriguing case that everyone is debating. Personally I think it's interesting debate material trying to put the pieces together with what "evidence" we have. I use evidence loosely. I'm learning a lot about peoples political views and stances.
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Yeah i love discussions like this. It's interesting to see people arguing about something that's actually worth arguing about on Letsbeef for once.. IMO similar arguments will be taking place in 20 years, 50 years.. 100 years time. One of those things
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Because it happens all too often, sadly, it is just 1 of those thing's but at the same time it's an intriguing case that everyone is debating. Personally I think it's interesting debate material trying to put the pieces together with what "evidence" we have. I use evidence loosely. I'm learning a lot about peoples political views and stances.
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Yeah i love discussions like this. It's interesting to see people arguing about something that's actually worth arguing about on Letsbeef for once.. IMO similar arguments will be taking place in 20 years, 50 years.. 100 years time. One of those things
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I think it's a bit (putting it mildly) fishy that Zimmerman say's he was beaten as bad as he say's yet hours after the incident he doesn't even have a scratch on him.
Has that actually been proven or is it just hear say?
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I think it's a bit (putting it mildly) fishy that Zimmerman say's he was beaten as bad as he say's yet hours after the incident he doesn't even have a scratch on him.
Has that actually been proven or is it just hear say?
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^ gurp the god has a point. you dont know anything about the statistics, "and since when did government related statistics become unreliable?".......... youve got to be kidding me right...... lol
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^ gurp the god has a point. you dont know anything about the statistics, "and since when did government related statistics become unreliable?".......... youve got to be kidding me right...... lol
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just because 'statistics' come from people in a 'higher position' doesn't mean those people aren't just as likely to bungle them or deceive to help benefit their, their company's or their party's position as the rest of us, They are after all only human like the rest of us. I take any Gov 'statistics' with the grain of salt they deserve.
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just because 'statistics' come from people in a 'higher position' doesn't mean those people aren't just as likely to bungle them or deceive to help benefit their, their company's or their party's position as the rest of us, They are after all only human like the rest of us. I take any Gov 'statistics' with the grain of salt they deserve.
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