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yea but that doesn't make an artist though imo what makes an artist is there flow and delivery along wit there lyrics if they have one of them that comes out shitty it could break an artist and imo I don't like his delivery at all
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yea but that doesn't make an artist though imo what makes an artist is there flow and delivery along wit there lyrics if they have one of them that comes out shitty it could break an artist and imo I don't like his delivery at all
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Besides, hahahahaah, not a single word rhymed in either phrase. hahaha i could say, high and shit and say that was a multie with man is sick, they both have three syllables, but they still dont rhyme
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Besides, hahahahaah, not a single word rhymed in either phrase. hahaha i could say, high and shit and say that was a multie with man is sick, they both have three syllables, but they still dont rhyme
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Unread 01-05-2010, 04:14 AM
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aint and ank, no those dont rhyme to me, i guess u could make them ryhme, said as a whole a multie should flow in cohesion perfectly. i hit the goal line, no need for bling cause my soul shine, im underground like a coal mine, been clownin young this whole time. youve nevr have the gun tucked ya dumb fuck, u used to be named karby not, but this youngin is hardly hot, and he aint servin beef like an arbys spot..........etc
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aint and ank, no those dont rhyme to me, i guess u could make them ryhme, said as a whole a multie should flow in cohesion perfectly. i hit the goal line, no need for bling cause my soul shine, im underground like a coal mine, been clownin young this whole time. youve nevr have the gun tucked ya dumb fuck, u used to be named karby not, but this youngin is hardly hot, and he aint servin beef like an arbys spot..........etc
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ummmm eminem manipulates words so they rhyme in multis alot similiar to that multi set alot of artists do that
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ummmm eminem manipulates words so they rhyme in multis alot similiar to that multi set alot of artists do that
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yea it's pretty common these days
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yea it's pretty common these days
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i understand that, but i dont like it. that corey gunz fuckin annoying shit, where everything sounds the same. i appreciate more someone writing it to sound perfect naturally. em does that now, but his old old shit he had those natural effortless multies that were beautiful. now he has ta use that nasally voice so everything sounds smooth, its annoying. i prefer a master ace, smooth shit all day. no fucking annoying im takin a shit as i spit type of bull.
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i understand that, but i dont like it. that corey gunz fuckin annoying shit, where everything sounds the same. i appreciate more someone writing it to sound perfect naturally. em does that now, but his old old shit he had those natural effortless multies that were beautiful. now he has ta use that nasally voice so everything sounds smooth, its annoying. i prefer a master ace, smooth shit all day. no fucking annoying im takin a shit as i spit type of bull.
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so somethin lyk this

'' Been in that water since a youngin you just shark food
Quick Draw McGraw I went to art school
Yeah the lights is bright but I got a short fuse ''
were you using that as an example of a good rhyming multi? lol
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so somethin lyk this

'' Been in that water since a youngin you just shark food
Quick Draw McGraw I went to art school
Yeah the lights is bright but I got a short fuse ''
were you using that as an example of a good rhyming multi? lol
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lil wayne has no vocab, but can put together an average multie

vinnie paz has a nice vocab with above average multies..........vocab is the key to nice multi sets

gza sounds like ass, has no charisma or personality on a microphone

rza also has a pretty bland and noninteresting presence

now shut up you fuckin 14 year olds
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lil wayne has no vocab, but can put together an average multie

vinnie paz has a nice vocab with above average multies..........vocab is the key to nice multi sets

gza sounds like ass, has no charisma or personality on a microphone

rza also has a pretty bland and noninteresting presence

now shut up you fuckin 14 year olds
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Vinnie paz onne'a my favorite rappers but lil wayne has more multi's then him


Im goin for the gold
my heart is in control,
My mind is on succeed
and i am in the lead
dont buy into the skeems the science or stratege
just giant in u tees
branks tryin in belief, im a lion
on redeem, expired by the green
never tired nor fatigue
never defiant to my team
never lien on the thing until
im lyin on the thing
hooked to wires n things imma die as
a king, if i dont do it now imma try it again
and when i do accomplish it ima try it again
ima riot insane
im a lion my mane hangs down to my strains
and their tied to the game,
I stay dry when it rain im tired of the fame
Got everything to gain and im proud of the pain
the pride and the plain the wise and the strange
denied by the sane beside were the same
whose guidin the train,
whose flyin theplane,
whose drivin the lane,
who dies when it bang,
who fires when it bang,
who lies in the aim,
two lives in the drain,
who cries when they sang,
you hide but you cant
you hide but you aint
i advise you to thank you dont
find what you cant
revive what you tank survive what u paint
supersize what u shrink,
the fries and the drink,
admired as a saint,
defined by my rank,
combined with my strenghth,
my time and my lenghth,
ima iron out the kinks,
yes im on the brink,
and in the eye ima wink
ima retire in a bank
Lil wayne may have "more muties" but its just one and two syllable lines. Paz has by far the better delivery and Vocab. But hey,Must my opinion.
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Before the CIA told Ricky Ross to put crack in the sack
And Gil-Scott tradin' rappin for smack
This beat alone should get platinum plaques
I'd rather see a million of us ecstatic to scrap
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Vinnie paz onne'a my favorite rappers but lil wayne has more multi's then him


Im goin for the gold
my heart is in control,
My mind is on succeed
and i am in the lead
dont buy into the skeems the science or stratege
just giant in u tees
branks tryin in belief, im a lion
on redeem, expired by the green
never tired nor fatigue
never defiant to my team
never lien on the thing until
im lyin on the thing
hooked to wires n things imma die as
a king, if i dont do it now imma try it again
and when i do accomplish it ima try it again
ima riot insane
im a lion my mane hangs down to my strains
and their tied to the game,
I stay dry when it rain im tired of the fame
Got everything to gain and im proud of the pain
the pride and the plain the wise and the strange
denied by the sane beside were the same
whose guidin the train,
whose flyin theplane,
whose drivin the lane,
who dies when it bang,
who fires when it bang,
who lies in the aim,
two lives in the drain,
who cries when they sang,
you hide but you cant
you hide but you aint
i advise you to thank you dont
find what you cant
revive what you tank survive what u paint
supersize what u shrink,
the fries and the drink,
admired as a saint,
defined by my rank,
combined with my strenghth,
my time and my lenghth,
ima iron out the kinks,
yes im on the brink,
and in the eye ima wink
ima retire in a bank
Lil wayne may have "more muties" but its just one and two syllable lines. Paz has by far the better delivery and Vocab. But hey,Must my opinion.
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And it's been stackin' to that
Been a hundred years before iceberg ever lean back in the 'lac
Before they told Rosa black in the back
Before the CIA told Ricky Ross to put crack in the sack
And Gil-Scott tradin' rappin for smack
This beat alone should get platinum plaques
I'd rather see a million of us ecstatic to scrap
'Cause if we bappin' 'em back we automatically stack---Boots Riley.
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Yeah i can dig that just finds waynes rhymes a lil too simple,but its just a matter of taste....on that not (and off topic)I notice the anarchy symbol...U actually an anarchist or just rockin it for thrills?
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Yeah i can dig that just finds waynes rhymes a lil too simple,but its just a matter of taste....on that not (and off topic)I notice the anarchy symbol...U actually an anarchist or just rockin it for thrills?
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