Fuck Canada...

[IV]

Everything?

High tech exports, Cars/Motorbikes, Transport technology, Steel, Cotton.

You're literally missing the point, and so are you @Krhyme Killz lol. You CAN MAKE IT, you CAN.. but you'll lose money before you make it. You can't afford to manufacture yourself, neither can we in the UK, China make it possible for you to sell the products you want to because they CAN afford to make it and export it, but the whole time they're doing that then they have the power. Yes you can make it but there's a lot of initial complications and negative effects on doing that, in the long run then yes, the UK, USA, Canada, France, Spain wherever else could potentially have an extremely strong economy if they made all their shit themselves, BUT THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO. The whole point lmao.

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Originally Posted by Ticket

The fact of the matter is, this has turned into a "what if trade ended" scenario. Well, the world economy would likely collapse. It is WIDELY KNOWN FACT that America is a Super Power and is the most powerful country in the world. 9/10 AMERICAN people who are educated on matters such as this would agree. I encourage you to do some research.

Corrected that for you.

[IV]

Everything?

High tech exports, Cars/Motorbikes, Transport technology, Steel, Cotton.

You're literally missing the point, and so are you @Krhyme Killz lol. You CAN MAKE IT, you CAN.. but you'll lose money before you make it. You can't afford to manufacture yourself, neither can we in the UK, China make it possible for you to sell the products you want to because they CAN afford to make it and export it, but the whole time they're doing that then they have the power. Yes you can make it but there's a lot of initial complications and negative effects on doing that, in the long run then yes, the UK, USA, Canada, France, Spain wherever else could potentially have an extremely strong economy if they made all their shit themselves, BUT THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO. The whole point lmao.

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Originally Posted by Ticket

The fact of the matter is, this has turned into a "what if trade ended" scenario. Well, the world economy would likely collapse. It is WIDELY KNOWN FACT that America is a Super Power and is the most powerful country in the world. 9/10 AMERICAN people who are educated on matters such as this would agree. I encourage you to do some research.

Corrected that for you.

[J u s T C]

Originally Posted by Ticket

What is CHina producing that we are so reliant on? Please explain?

Aight I'll give you a little educations.

But first just to answer your question.

Just to name a few.

Electrical machinery and equipment
Power generation equipment
Toys, games, and sports equipment
Furniture
Footwear
Iron, steel
Vehicles, excluding rail
Car Parts

Aight.

Now have you ever watched a football game or a basketball game where one team dominates the other team so badly that calling it a "blowout" would be a huge understatement? Well, that is what China is doing to the United States. China is absolutely destroying America on the global economic stage. Once upon a time, the Chinese economy was a joke and the U.S. economy was the most powerful the world had ever seen. But over the past couple of decades the U.S. economy has decayed and declined while the Chinese economy has skyrocketed. Today, China makes more steel, more automobiles, more beer, more cotton, more coal and more solar panels than you do. China has the fastest train in the world, the fastest computer in the world and they export twice as much high-tech equipment as you do.

In 2011, our trade deficit with China was the largest trade deficit that one nation has had with another nation in the history of the world, and China has now accumulated more than 3 trillion dollars in foreign currency reserves. Every single day, we lose more jobs, more businesses and more of our national wealth to China. In technical economic terms, China has "taken us out behind the woodshed" and has beaten the living daylights out of us. Unfortunately, most Americans are so addicted to entertainment that they don't even realize what is happening. If you do not believe that China is wiping the floor with America in front of the rest of the world, just keep reading. Back in 1998, the United States had 25 percent of the world’s high-tech export market and China had just 10 percent. Today, China's high-tech exports are more than twice the size of U.S. high- tech exports. America has lost more than a quarter of all of its high-tech manufacturing jobs over the past ten years. The Chinese economy has grown 7 times faster than the U.S. economy has over the past decade. In 2010, China produced more than twice as many automobiles as the United States did. In 2010, China produced 627 million metric tons of steel. The United States only produced 80 million metric tons of steel. In 2010, China produced 7.3 million metric tons of cotton. The United States only produced 3.4 million metric tons of cotton. China produced 19.8 percent of all the goods consumed in the world during 2010. The United States only produced 19.4 percent. During 2010, we spent $365 billion on goods and services from China while they only spent $92 billion on goods and services from us. In 1985, the U.S. trade deficit with China was 6 million dollars for the entire year. The final U.S. trade deficit with China for 2011 will be very close to 300 billion dollars. That will be the largest trade deficit that one nation has had with another nation in the history of the world. The U.S. trade deficit with China is now 28 times larger than it was back in 1990. Since China entered the WTO in 2001, the U.S. trade deficit with China has grown by an average of 18% per year. According to the New York Times, a Jeep Grand Cherokee that costs $27,490 in the United States costs about $85,000 in China. According to the Economic Policy Institute, America is losing half a million jobs to China every single year. The United States has lost a staggering 32 percent of its manufacturing jobs since the year 2000. The United States had been the leading consumer of energy on the globe for about 100 years, but during the summer of 2010 China took over the number one spot. 15 years ago, China was 14th in the world in published scientific research articles. But now, China is expected to pass the United States and become number one very shortly. China is also expected to soon become the global leader in patent filings. In 2009, the United States ranked dead last of the 40 nations examined by the Information Technology & Innovation Foundation when it came to "change" in "global innovation-based competitiveness" over the previous ten years. China now awards more doctoral degrees in engineering each year than the United States does. China now possesses the fastest supercomputer on the entire planet. China now has the world's fastest train and the world's most extensive high-speed rail network. The construction of the new $200 million African Union headquarters was funded by China. Today, China produces nearly twice as much beer as the United States does. 85 percent of all artificial Christmas trees are made in China. Amazingly, China now consumes 53 percent of the world's cement. There are more pigs in China than in the next 43 pork producing nations combined. China is now the number one producer of wind and solar power on the entire globe. Chinese solar panel production was about 50 times larger in 2010 than it was in 2005. I could go on but that will do for now.

[J u s T C]

Originally Posted by Ticket

What is CHina producing that we are so reliant on? Please explain?

Aight I'll give you a little educations.

But first just to answer your question.

Just to name a few.

Electrical machinery and equipment
Power generation equipment
Toys, games, and sports equipment
Furniture
Footwear
Iron, steel
Vehicles, excluding rail
Car Parts

Aight.

Now have you ever watched a football game or a basketball game where one team dominates the other team so badly that calling it a "blowout" would be a huge understatement? Well, that is what China is doing to the United States. China is absolutely destroying America on the global economic stage. Once upon a time, the Chinese economy was a joke and the U.S. economy was the most powerful the world had ever seen. But over the past couple of decades the U.S. economy has decayed and declined while the Chinese economy has skyrocketed. Today, China makes more steel, more automobiles, more beer, more cotton, more coal and more solar panels than you do. China has the fastest train in the world, the fastest computer in the world and they export twice as much high-tech equipment as you do.

In 2011, our trade deficit with China was the largest trade deficit that one nation has had with another nation in the history of the world, and China has now accumulated more than 3 trillion dollars in foreign currency reserves. Every single day, we lose more jobs, more businesses and more of our national wealth to China. In technical economic terms, China has "taken us out behind the woodshed" and has beaten the living daylights out of us. Unfortunately, most Americans are so addicted to entertainment that they don't even realize what is happening. If you do not believe that China is wiping the floor with America in front of the rest of the world, just keep reading. Back in 1998, the United States had 25 percent of the world’s high-tech export market and China had just 10 percent. Today, China's high-tech exports are more than twice the size of U.S. high- tech exports. America has lost more than a quarter of all of its high-tech manufacturing jobs over the past ten years. The Chinese economy has grown 7 times faster than the U.S. economy has over the past decade. In 2010, China produced more than twice as many automobiles as the United States did. In 2010, China produced 627 million metric tons of steel. The United States only produced 80 million metric tons of steel. In 2010, China produced 7.3 million metric tons of cotton. The United States only produced 3.4 million metric tons of cotton. China produced 19.8 percent of all the goods consumed in the world during 2010. The United States only produced 19.4 percent. During 2010, we spent $365 billion on goods and services from China while they only spent $92 billion on goods and services from us. In 1985, the U.S. trade deficit with China was 6 million dollars for the entire year. The final U.S. trade deficit with China for 2011 will be very close to 300 billion dollars. That will be the largest trade deficit that one nation has had with another nation in the history of the world. The U.S. trade deficit with China is now 28 times larger than it was back in 1990. Since China entered the WTO in 2001, the U.S. trade deficit with China has grown by an average of 18% per year. According to the New York Times, a Jeep Grand Cherokee that costs $27,490 in the United States costs about $85,000 in China. According to the Economic Policy Institute, America is losing half a million jobs to China every single year. The United States has lost a staggering 32 percent of its manufacturing jobs since the year 2000. The United States had been the leading consumer of energy on the globe for about 100 years, but during the summer of 2010 China took over the number one spot. 15 years ago, China was 14th in the world in published scientific research articles. But now, China is expected to pass the United States and become number one very shortly. China is also expected to soon become the global leader in patent filings. In 2009, the United States ranked dead last of the 40 nations examined by the Information Technology & Innovation Foundation when it came to "change" in "global innovation-based competitiveness" over the previous ten years. China now awards more doctoral degrees in engineering each year than the United States does. China now possesses the fastest supercomputer on the entire planet. China now has the world's fastest train and the world's most extensive high-speed rail network. The construction of the new $200 million African Union headquarters was funded by China. Today, China produces nearly twice as much beer as the United States does. 85 percent of all artificial Christmas trees are made in China. Amazingly, China now consumes 53 percent of the world's cement. There are more pigs in China than in the next 43 pork producing nations combined. China is now the number one producer of wind and solar power on the entire globe. Chinese solar panel production was about 50 times larger in 2010 than it was in 2005. I could go on but that will do for now.

Explain the negative complications when the US used to lead the world in both cotton and steel exports? Shit, in Pueblo, where I live we produce steel and have capability and infrastructure to do so right now. A trade war with China would probably ruin the world economy or damage it for a LONG time. But whats the point, that makes THEM more powerful? smh.

Explain the negative complications when the US used to lead the world in both cotton and steel exports? Shit, in Pueblo, where I live we produce steel and have capability and infrastructure to do so right now. A trade war with China would probably ruin the world economy or damage it for a LONG time. But whats the point, that makes THEM more powerful? smh.

[IV]

Originally Posted by Ticket

Explain the negative complications when the US used to lead the world in both cotton and steel exports? Shit, in Pueblo, where I live we produce steel and have capability and infrastructure to do so right now. A trade war with China would probably ruin the world economy or damage it for a LONG time. But whats the point, that makes THEM more powerful? smh.

And before you were the lead exporters in steel, we were. Times change..

In the last 12 years, China fucked you over, not only in exporting but manufacturing jobs because everybody else imports from China and not you. You still export and yeah, smashing, you used to be the largest steel exporter in the world, but England used to own your country, stop living in the past unless you want me to bring that up lmao.

China is getting more powerful, more in demand, exporting and manufacturing more than you, spending out LESS than they make back.

You are getting less powerful, less in demand, importing more from overseas and manufacturing less because you're less in demand, and you're spending way way way more than you're making back.

If you need me to explain further, then you really just aren't getting it. You're American, you're going to be bias to your own country, I'm English, I'm an irrelevant party to this conversation and still staying China has fucked you up.

[IV]

Originally Posted by Ticket

Explain the negative complications when the US used to lead the world in both cotton and steel exports? Shit, in Pueblo, where I live we produce steel and have capability and infrastructure to do so right now. A trade war with China would probably ruin the world economy or damage it for a LONG time. But whats the point, that makes THEM more powerful? smh.

And before you were the lead exporters in steel, we were. Times change..

In the last 12 years, China fucked you over, not only in exporting but manufacturing jobs because everybody else imports from China and not you. You still export and yeah, smashing, you used to be the largest steel exporter in the world, but England used to own your country, stop living in the past unless you want me to bring that up lmao.

China is getting more powerful, more in demand, exporting and manufacturing more than you, spending out LESS than they make back.

You are getting less powerful, less in demand, importing more from overseas and manufacturing less because you're less in demand, and you're spending way way way more than you're making back.

If you need me to explain further, then you really just aren't getting it. You're American, you're going to be bias to your own country, I'm English, I'm an irrelevant party to this conversation and still staying China has fucked you up.

Not your words JustC, but keep googling.. Those are staggering facts. And there is no doubt that China is growing rapidly, and becoming self reliant. But who has a larger GDP? right now today?

Not your words JustC, but keep googling.. Those are staggering facts. And there is no doubt that China is growing rapidly, and becoming self reliant. But who has a larger GDP? right now today?

[J u s T C]

Originally Posted by Krhyme Killz

of course you can....you make it

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not a chance. we import out of sheer want. the moment we NEED to import shit, you'll have a point. until then, we'll hold the cards snugly in our fat hands.

You don't hold the cards when that country can cut off supply and it effect the importer a thousand times what it would the exporter.

If I go into a shop and I think the price of that 50 inch HD is too high. They're not going to lower the price lol. Because if I don't buy there will be someone else who will. That's how business works. This isn't a pawn shop, this is commercial corps. Sure i could go go to another shop. (a pawn shop for arguments sake) and buy the exact same TV for half the price. But you know what? The big corps TV isn't likely to fuck up on me in the next year where as the PS's could fuck up the moment I plug it in. To summarise. China is the commercial Corp with the best and most reliable goods and everyone else is the Pawn Shop with the rickety goods just waiting to breakdown.

[J u s T C]

Originally Posted by Krhyme Killz

of course you can....you make it

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not a chance. we import out of sheer want. the moment we NEED to import shit, you'll have a point. until then, we'll hold the cards snugly in our fat hands.

You don't hold the cards when that country can cut off supply and it effect the importer a thousand times what it would the exporter.

If I go into a shop and I think the price of that 50 inch HD is too high. They're not going to lower the price lol. Because if I don't buy there will be someone else who will. That's how business works. This isn't a pawn shop, this is commercial corps. Sure i could go go to another shop. (a pawn shop for arguments sake) and buy the exact same TV for half the price. But you know what? The big corps TV isn't likely to fuck up on me in the next year where as the PS's could fuck up the moment I plug it in. To summarise. China is the commercial Corp with the best and most reliable goods and everyone else is the Pawn Shop with the rickety goods just waiting to breakdown.

[IV]

UK and the USA need to step up their engineering, manufacturing and innovation games or we're both screwed, and we all better learn Chinese faster than they can learn English, the Asians are coming.

[IV]

UK and the USA need to step up their engineering, manufacturing and innovation games or we're both screwed, and we all better learn Chinese faster than they can learn English, the Asians are coming.

[J u s T C]

Those are my words. how DARE you!

How dare you suggest otherwise.

[J u s T C]

Those are my words. how DARE you!

How dare you suggest otherwise.

[Krhyme Killz]

Originally Posted by Just C

You don't hold the cards when that country can cut off supply and it effect the importer a thousand times what it would the exporter.

If I go into a shop and I think the price of that 50 inch HD is too high. They're not going to lower the price lol. Because if I don't buy there will be someone else who will. That's how business works. This isn't a pawn shop, this is commercial corps. Sure i could go go to another shop. (a pawn shop for arguments sake) and buy the exact same TV for half the price. But you know what? The big corps TV isn't likely to fuck up on me in the next year where as the PS's could fuck up the moment I plug it in. To summarise. China is the commercial Corp with the best and most reliable goods and everyone else is the Pawn Shop with the rickety goods just waiting to breakdown.

dude...you are seriously confused.

if i wont buy it at that price..the likelihood is that no one will...so voila...the price goes down...its called supply and demand...but you know that already.

[Krhyme Killz]

Originally Posted by Just C

You don't hold the cards when that country can cut off supply and it effect the importer a thousand times what it would the exporter.

If I go into a shop and I think the price of that 50 inch HD is too high. They're not going to lower the price lol. Because if I don't buy there will be someone else who will. That's how business works. This isn't a pawn shop, this is commercial corps. Sure i could go go to another shop. (a pawn shop for arguments sake) and buy the exact same TV for half the price. But you know what? The big corps TV isn't likely to fuck up on me in the next year where as the PS's could fuck up the moment I plug it in. To summarise. China is the commercial Corp with the best and most reliable goods and everyone else is the Pawn Shop with the rickety goods just waiting to breakdown.

dude...you are seriously confused.

if i wont buy it at that price..the likelihood is that no one will...so voila...the price goes down...its called supply and demand...but you know that already.

if u dont live in america or canada, shut the fuck up......
this here is between us yanks and them canooks

if u dont live in america or canada, shut the fuck up......
this here is between us yanks and them canooks