Wordplay preferences...

Although completely unintended, this thread could be the burial of LB.

As ILL said, it's lazy wordplay. There's essentially a right and wrong way to do it. Guys like Rican and Dissizit, or the ":" crew, are big offenders of this. GrizzEAT does it too (ironically I've never noticed it being a huge issue with Grief's verses).

Guys are gonna listen to GG here. Rican was genuinely working on this a lot a while ago when we were running lines by each other on chat. Seeing another "vet" speak out for this style to be fine means he'll probably have no issue using it again.

I already pretty much have Pulse, Rican, Dissizit and GrizzEAR on my list of guys I can't read verses from. Rican less so lately, but I've always just hated everything about all 4's writing. I know I don't vote a lot anyways but if the next generation of the site are looking up to guys using these styles, it's giving them some horrible habits.




A punchline is a punchline, technical or not. Guys like DaDDiO etc. can lack technical writing and still hit hard. If you're that kind of guy, fair fucks, I won't pick it out. But if you're trying to come with wordplay, you're trying to impress the reader, not just show them a dope punch. I'm not impressed when people do things wrong.

Although completely unintended, this thread could be the burial of LB.

As ILL said, it's lazy wordplay. There's essentially a right and wrong way to do it. Guys like Rican and Dissizit, or the ":" crew, are big offenders of this. GrizzEAT does it too (ironically I've never noticed it being a huge issue with Grief's verses).

Guys are gonna listen to GG here. Rican was genuinely working on this a lot a while ago when we were running lines by each other on chat. Seeing another "vet" speak out for this style to be fine means he'll probably have no issue using it again.

I already pretty much have Pulse, Rican, Dissizit and GrizzEAR on my list of guys I can't read verses from. Rican less so lately, but I've always just hated everything about all 4's writing. I know I don't vote a lot anyways but if the next generation of the site are looking up to guys using these styles, it's giving them some horrible habits.




A punchline is a punchline, technical or not. Guys like DaDDiO etc. can lack technical writing and still hit hard. If you're that kind of guy, fair fucks, I won't pick it out. But if you're trying to come with wordplay, you're trying to impress the reader, not just show them a dope punch. I'm not impressed when people do things wrong.

[GOOD GRIEF]

I get you. I guess we should just squash it tbh. Ok. I'm done. Anyone else?

[GOOD GRIEF]

I get you. I guess we should just squash it tbh. Ok. I'm done. Anyone else?

[Silver Dollar Sam]

Interesting thread @GOOD GRIEF....catch 22....You and @EtH both mentioned notable facts here....

[Silver Dollar Sam]

Interesting thread @GOOD GRIEF....catch 22....You and @EtH both mentioned notable facts here....

wordplay should work both ways.

GG you have a pretty good grasp on execution, so dont you think seeing a simple and boring one way wordplay takes away from the battle?

wordplay should work both ways.

GG you have a pretty good grasp on execution, so dont you think seeing a simple and boring one way wordplay takes away from the battle?

[GOOD GRIEF]

Originally Posted by g u t s

wordplay should work both ways.

GG you have a pretty good grasp on execution, so dont you think seeing a simple and boring one way wordplay takes away from the battle?

I know how to execute straight forward wordplay. I can do straight laced shit like the best of them... but sometimes I just don't. When I made this awhile ago it's because I saw a style being critiqued in a way that wasn't even an issue before. A style that's used occasionally by RULE and DaDDiO (my two favorite of all time and the best the site has seen). I just feel there is a difference between forced bars and different wp styles.

By all means I see why some don't like it. I just think it being seen as a glaring flaw instead of stylized is an issue. There's clean and then there's bad.

What next... we gonna get on using slanted multis? (which ironically people have actually started harping on.)

[GOOD GRIEF]

Originally Posted by g u t s

wordplay should work both ways.

GG you have a pretty good grasp on execution, so dont you think seeing a simple and boring one way wordplay takes away from the battle?

I know how to execute straight forward wordplay. I can do straight laced shit like the best of them... but sometimes I just don't. When I made this awhile ago it's because I saw a style being critiqued in a way that wasn't even an issue before. A style that's used occasionally by RULE and DaDDiO (my two favorite of all time and the best the site has seen). I just feel there is a difference between forced bars and different wp styles.

By all means I see why some don't like it. I just think it being seen as a glaring flaw instead of stylized is an issue. There's clean and then there's bad.

What next... we gonna get on using slanted multis? (which ironically people have actually started harping on.)

[EtH]

All I can say is thank FUCK that my prediction was off. Shoutout to Manny, Lock, Shodan, Babylon, Bleu, Esso and others for making sure that abysmal period of LB was phased out.

Everything I said in here is still true 5 years later.

Grief, RULE wasn't sharked on ANYTHING. The guy used EtH in a tee (Affinity) against me and none of the voters even said a word about it despite it being 33% of his entire verse.

It's not a different style. Writing :-

"Champ? Its you that we see? Nah You shame us when you under take a bad verse like PROFESSIONAL WRESTLERS (Cena, Sheamus, Undertaker)"

is ALWAYS the incorrect way to do wordplay. If you can be "unconventional" and deliver things that are technically bad well, no harm done. But if you do something wrong and it's pointed out, theres no complaints to make.

[EtH]

All I can say is thank FUCK that my prediction was off. Shoutout to Manny, Lock, Shodan, Babylon, Bleu, Esso and others for making sure that abysmal period of LB was phased out.

Everything I said in here is still true 5 years later.

Grief, RULE wasn't sharked on ANYTHING. The guy used EtH in a tee (Affinity) against me and none of the voters even said a word about it despite it being 33% of his entire verse.

It's not a different style. Writing :-

"Champ? Its you that we see? Nah You shame us when you under take a bad verse like PROFESSIONAL WRESTLERS (Cena, Sheamus, Undertaker)"

is ALWAYS the incorrect way to do wordplay. If you can be "unconventional" and deliver things that are technically bad well, no harm done. But if you do something wrong and it's pointed out, theres no complaints to make.

[GOOD GRIEF]

Originally Posted by Zodiac-5

All I can say is thank FUCK that my prediction was off. Shoutout to Manny, Lock, Shodan, Babylon, Bleu, Esso and others for making sure that abysmal period of LB was phased out.

Everything I said in here is still true 5 years later.

Grief, RULE wasn't sharked on ANYTHING. The guy used EtH in a tee (Affinity) against me and none of the voters even said a word about it despite it being 33% of his entire verse.

It's not a different style. Writing :-

"Champ? Its you that we see? Nah You shame us when you under take a bad verse like PROFESSIONAL WRESTLERS (Cena, Sheamus, Undertaker)"

is ALWAYS the incorrect way to do wordplay. If you can be "unconventional" and deliver things that are technically bad well, no harm done. But if you do something wrong and it's pointed out, theres no complaints to make.

That’s forced wp. That doesn’t even work ONE WAY. Lol if his whole verse was that bad then yeah you got robbed. ETH/Aff????

I slept on it, thought it over, and I’m just taking it as everyone wanting cleaner wp which is good. I see the error in what I was saying now...

BUT, we need to always take a step back and consider if we are condemning a stylistic choice or just shit wp. I think my “Orange” argument still stands from the first post.

[GOOD GRIEF]

Originally Posted by Zodiac-5

All I can say is thank FUCK that my prediction was off. Shoutout to Manny, Lock, Shodan, Babylon, Bleu, Esso and others for making sure that abysmal period of LB was phased out.

Everything I said in here is still true 5 years later.

Grief, RULE wasn't sharked on ANYTHING. The guy used EtH in a tee (Affinity) against me and none of the voters even said a word about it despite it being 33% of his entire verse.

It's not a different style. Writing :-

"Champ? Its you that we see? Nah You shame us when you under take a bad verse like PROFESSIONAL WRESTLERS (Cena, Sheamus, Undertaker)"

is ALWAYS the incorrect way to do wordplay. If you can be "unconventional" and deliver things that are technically bad well, no harm done. But if you do something wrong and it's pointed out, theres no complaints to make.

That’s forced wp. That doesn’t even work ONE WAY. Lol if his whole verse was that bad then yeah you got robbed. ETH/Aff????

I slept on it, thought it over, and I’m just taking it as everyone wanting cleaner wp which is good. I see the error in what I was saying now...

BUT, we need to always take a step back and consider if we are condemning a stylistic choice or just shit wp. I think my “Orange” argument still stands from the first post.

[EtH]

Originally Posted by GOOD GRIEF

That’s forced wp. That doesn’t even work ONE WAY. Lol if his whole verse was that bad then yeah you got robbed. ETH/Aff????

I slept on it, thought it over, and I’m just taking it as everyone wanting cleaner wp which is good. I see the error in what I was saying now...

BUT, we need to always take a step back and consider if we are condemning a stylistic choice or just shit wp. I think my “Orange” argument still stands from the first post.

He had two Aff/EtH bars in one battle I believe, but that's what I mean. Using RULE as a point of "no one called him out" is because people were blinded. I used to completely slate Jacoby because he wrote like that 24/7 back in the day.

Your orange argument doesn't stand because it does work both ways. Because you say "Knock knock - who's there - Orange", that makes Orange the first name as per the joke. So that means it goes:-

Knock Knock
Who's There?
Orange
Orange Who?
Orange Yougladtoseeme (a name)

Knock knock
Who's There?
Orange
Orange Who?
Aren't you glad to see me?

If the "stylistic choice" doesn't pay off, then the things done incorrectly should be pointed out to me.

I do sort of agree these days that maybe people shouldn't go overboard with conventional writing. I see a lot of guys really similar to how I used to write, and if you don't have the creativity to come up with hard as fuck bars, it doesn't really work out. So I'd encourage people thinking a little bit out there and off the wall. I try to replicate DaDDiO's more out there bars like:-

Your RAPING IS SO *YAWN* that I \vkjn dafbklbaz dlknfd shit, I ACTUALLY DOZED OFF

That's out there and really creative for a text battle and that sort of stuff I liked the idea of using. Like in my tag tournament battle where I wrote like 2 lines dissing Skizzo to show how little I respected my opponents.

[EtH]

Originally Posted by GOOD GRIEF

That’s forced wp. That doesn’t even work ONE WAY. Lol if his whole verse was that bad then yeah you got robbed. ETH/Aff????

I slept on it, thought it over, and I’m just taking it as everyone wanting cleaner wp which is good. I see the error in what I was saying now...

BUT, we need to always take a step back and consider if we are condemning a stylistic choice or just shit wp. I think my “Orange” argument still stands from the first post.

He had two Aff/EtH bars in one battle I believe, but that's what I mean. Using RULE as a point of "no one called him out" is because people were blinded. I used to completely slate Jacoby because he wrote like that 24/7 back in the day.

Your orange argument doesn't stand because it does work both ways. Because you say "Knock knock - who's there - Orange", that makes Orange the first name as per the joke. So that means it goes:-

Knock Knock
Who's There?
Orange
Orange Who?
Orange Yougladtoseeme (a name)

Knock knock
Who's There?
Orange
Orange Who?
Aren't you glad to see me?

If the "stylistic choice" doesn't pay off, then the things done incorrectly should be pointed out to me.

I do sort of agree these days that maybe people shouldn't go overboard with conventional writing. I see a lot of guys really similar to how I used to write, and if you don't have the creativity to come up with hard as fuck bars, it doesn't really work out. So I'd encourage people thinking a little bit out there and off the wall. I try to replicate DaDDiO's more out there bars like:-

Your RAPING IS SO *YAWN* that I \vkjn dafbklbaz dlknfd shit, I ACTUALLY DOZED OFF

That's out there and really creative for a text battle and that sort of stuff I liked the idea of using. Like in my tag tournament battle where I wrote like 2 lines dissing Skizzo to show how little I respected my opponents.

[GOOD GRIEF]

Originally Posted by Zodiac-5

He had two Aff/EtH bars in one battle I believe, but that's what I mean. Using RULE as a point of "no one called him out" is because people were blinded. I used to completely slate Jacoby because he wrote like that 24/7 back in the day.

Your orange argument doesn't stand because it does work both ways. Because you say "Knock knock - who's there - Orange", that makes Orange the first name as per the joke. So that means it goes:-

Knock Knock
Who's There?
Orange
Orange Who?
Orange Yougladtoseeme (a name)

Knock knock
Who's There?
Orange
Orange Who?
Aren't you glad to see me?

If the "stylistic choice" doesn't pay off, then the things done incorrectly should be pointed out to me.

I do sort of agree these days that maybe people shouldn't go overboard with conventional writing. I see a lot of guys really similar to how I used to write, and if you don't have the creativity to come up with hard as fuck bars, it doesn't really work out. So I'd encourage people thinking a little bit out there and off the wall. I try to replicate DaDDiO's more out there bars like:-

Your RAPING IS SO *YAWN* that I \vkjn dafbklbaz dlknfd shit, I ACTUALLY DOZED OFF

That's out there and really creative for a text battle and that sort of stuff I liked the idea of using. Like in my tag tournament battle where I wrote like 2 lines dissing Skizzo to show how little I respected my opponents.

That’s another variation of the Orange joke. The banana joke in tandem with the orange line doesn’t make sense 2 ways in the form of a statement. “Orange you glad”? See what I mean? Who says “Orange you glad?” Are you asking the Orange a question or the person answering a joke?

See how nit picky that is? The nitpick Missed the idea entirely. Lol THATS what I’m arguing against.


But yeah EtH. I sort of appreciate the compliment you gave me back then. Like I said, I’ve been around and thrown some good 2 way wp in my day. But when I don’t people take issue with. By all means I’m not saying theyre wrong, but why criticize the person as if they don’t know good wp? It may just be different. It should be considered. However Overall I do agree with you. Good points

[GOOD GRIEF]

Originally Posted by Zodiac-5

He had two Aff/EtH bars in one battle I believe, but that's what I mean. Using RULE as a point of "no one called him out" is because people were blinded. I used to completely slate Jacoby because he wrote like that 24/7 back in the day.

Your orange argument doesn't stand because it does work both ways. Because you say "Knock knock - who's there - Orange", that makes Orange the first name as per the joke. So that means it goes:-

Knock Knock
Who's There?
Orange
Orange Who?
Orange Yougladtoseeme (a name)

Knock knock
Who's There?
Orange
Orange Who?
Aren't you glad to see me?

If the "stylistic choice" doesn't pay off, then the things done incorrectly should be pointed out to me.

I do sort of agree these days that maybe people shouldn't go overboard with conventional writing. I see a lot of guys really similar to how I used to write, and if you don't have the creativity to come up with hard as fuck bars, it doesn't really work out. So I'd encourage people thinking a little bit out there and off the wall. I try to replicate DaDDiO's more out there bars like:-

Your RAPING IS SO *YAWN* that I \vkjn dafbklbaz dlknfd shit, I ACTUALLY DOZED OFF

That's out there and really creative for a text battle and that sort of stuff I liked the idea of using. Like in my tag tournament battle where I wrote like 2 lines dissing Skizzo to show how little I respected my opponents.

That’s another variation of the Orange joke. The banana joke in tandem with the orange line doesn’t make sense 2 ways in the form of a statement. “Orange you glad”? See what I mean? Who says “Orange you glad?” Are you asking the Orange a question or the person answering a joke?

See how nit picky that is? The nitpick Missed the idea entirely. Lol THATS what I’m arguing against.


But yeah EtH. I sort of appreciate the compliment you gave me back then. Like I said, I’ve been around and thrown some good 2 way wp in my day. But when I don’t people take issue with. By all means I’m not saying theyre wrong, but why criticize the person as if they don’t know good wp? It may just be different. It should be considered. However Overall I do agree with you. Good points

[Shodan]

I don't want to sound like I'm some rap-battle pope invoking my own infallibility, but the simple fact is that wordplays which don't result in both readings creating grammatically valid phrases have been mostly been phased out, and using them in 2019 is simply the wrong approach.

I won't deny that a wordplay may be still be good despite not working in the way I just described, but if it doesn't, it 1. loses a lot of the impact that it would otherwise have and 2. is at extreme risk of being laughably terrible.

And, in any case, you're trying to say that the consensus of the top battlers on the site is wrong. Even if you are right and we've been mistaken for years, you're fighting an impossibly uphill battle to convince us otherwise. Write your verses however you want, but don't expect us to instantly adapt to how you like to write things. You aren't the chief legislator of what should and shouldn't pass on LetsBeef.com.

Finally, has it never occurred to you how stupid it is to use a CHILDREN'S JOKE that even TODDLERS KNOW IS CORNY as an example?? This is uncomfortably close to the LB equivalent of trying to disprove quantum physics by showing a group of eminent professors a preschooler's crayon drawing of an atom.

[Shodan]

I don't want to sound like I'm some rap-battle pope invoking my own infallibility, but the simple fact is that wordplays which don't result in both readings creating grammatically valid phrases have been mostly been phased out, and using them in 2019 is simply the wrong approach.

I won't deny that a wordplay may be still be good despite not working in the way I just described, but if it doesn't, it 1. loses a lot of the impact that it would otherwise have and 2. is at extreme risk of being laughably terrible.

And, in any case, you're trying to say that the consensus of the top battlers on the site is wrong. Even if you are right and we've been mistaken for years, you're fighting an impossibly uphill battle to convince us otherwise. Write your verses however you want, but don't expect us to instantly adapt to how you like to write things. You aren't the chief legislator of what should and shouldn't pass on LetsBeef.com.

Finally, has it never occurred to you how stupid it is to use a CHILDREN'S JOKE that even TODDLERS KNOW IS CORNY as an example?? This is uncomfortably close to the LB equivalent of trying to disprove quantum physics by showing a group of eminent professors a preschooler's crayon drawing of an atom.