Dallas Shooting

[Esso]

You know what White Privliege is? Never having to ask if White Lives Matter.

Why would the privileged black kid be from Bel Air? You sound like a stereotype white joke....no offense. Dude, thats just the way things are here. Civil rights were only awarded 50 years ago...the Klan was millions strong, walking the streets with govt officials and cops among them, openly endorsing violence against blacks. Slavery. It takes a long time to undo all that....you can't teach generations to unlearn all of the hatred and prejudice, the injustice and the oppression, unless the people doing the teaching and parenting are all completely unbiased in their approach. People getting completely out of their feelings about such subjects is impossible...so it will never fully be gone. America has a unique history in that regard.

[Esso]

You know what White Privliege is? Never having to ask if White Lives Matter.

Why would the privileged black kid be from Bel Air? You sound like a stereotype white joke....no offense. Dude, thats just the way things are here. Civil rights were only awarded 50 years ago...the Klan was millions strong, walking the streets with govt officials and cops among them, openly endorsing violence against blacks. Slavery. It takes a long time to undo all that....you can't teach generations to unlearn all of the hatred and prejudice, the injustice and the oppression, unless the people doing the teaching and parenting are all completely unbiased in their approach. People getting completely out of their feelings about such subjects is impossible...so it will never fully be gone. America has a unique history in that regard.

Originally Posted by Esso

You know what White Privliege is? Never having to ask if White Lives Matter.

Why would the privileged black kid be from Bel Air? You sound like a stereotype white joke....no offense. Dude, thats just the way things are here. Civil rights were only awarded 50 years ago...the Klan was millions strong, walking the streets with govt officials and cops among them, openly endorsing violence against blacks. Slavery. It takes a long time to undo all that....you can't teach generations to unlearn all of the hatred and prejudice, the injustice and the oppression, unless the people doing the teaching and parenting are all completely unbiased in their approach. People getting completely out of their feelings about such subjects is impossible...so it will never fully be gone. America has a unique history in that regard.

It's asked constantly of the Black Lives Matter movement if White Lives Matter. They reply "It's not about that". No one cares when a white kid, unarmed, gets shot by the police. Police officer can be black, white, asian, whatever. No one cares that a white kid got shot. That's hardly controversial newsworthy shit is it?

When a black kid dies, there's a protest. When a white kid dies (which happens at a higher rate)...not one person takes to the streets.

So...DO white lives matter?

Why wouldn't a privileged black kid be from Bel Air? I was giving an example of someone from an area considered "rich" Vs someone from an area considered "poor". The "rich" kid doesn't face the struggles and stereotyping that the "poor" kid does...regardless if the black kid is rich and the white kid is poor.

Endosred by government officials, walking the streets with cops, openly endosring violence against another race.....Eh...Esso mate...have a quick search for "Black Lives Matter" and "Dallas" and tell me what you come up with. I'm pretty sure what you'll come up with is the President of America endorsed group of individuals who take over the streets under police supervision and according to Twitter, consider the racially motivated murder of 5 innocent men to be the act of a hero and martyr. Obama went to the memorial service of the police officers and discussed racism in the police force...what's that got to do with 5 dead men who have no known connections to racism what so ever?

Slavery, smfh. Yeah cause black people are the only slaves that ever existed. It takes a long time to undo? Well I, nor anyone in my family no matter how far back, ever owned slaves (Considering my family tree comes from Ireland). Yet I'm somehow dragged into being part of a "race" (ie. some people with the same skin colour from an entirely different background and culture) that was involved in the oppression of others. You are not effected by slavery right now, I'm not effected by slavery right now. It's been a long fucking time mate and if you think your limited in your opportunities in life because your great great grandfather was mistreated...you need to look in the mirror a bit pal.

"That history will never be gone". So, what you're saying is....I'm allowed to claim that there's "English privilege" and seek reparations for the atrocities the English committed upon my ancestors? Basically, as far back as my family tree goes, there's gonna be plenty of cases of horrible acts committed by Englishmen onto either Scotsmen or Irishmen. You say it's impossible for someone's feelings towards this to be gone...but 55% of Scotland recently disagreed.

America doesn't have a unique history. Slavery happened everywhere. There are plenty of examples of black slave masters throughout history too. But you can't talk about that. No slavery amounts to the days of the KKK and cotton picking, right?

Slavery was a long time ago. Why is it a black man is allowed to feel this contempt and hatred towards that former oppression, but we'd all laugh if a woman said she felt contempt and hatred towards men as a result of the lack of woman's rights 50 years ago? It's just not relevant anymore but economically and socially...we've come a long ass way from those days to even have them be a factor in 2016.

Originally Posted by Esso

You know what White Privliege is? Never having to ask if White Lives Matter.

Why would the privileged black kid be from Bel Air? You sound like a stereotype white joke....no offense. Dude, thats just the way things are here. Civil rights were only awarded 50 years ago...the Klan was millions strong, walking the streets with govt officials and cops among them, openly endorsing violence against blacks. Slavery. It takes a long time to undo all that....you can't teach generations to unlearn all of the hatred and prejudice, the injustice and the oppression, unless the people doing the teaching and parenting are all completely unbiased in their approach. People getting completely out of their feelings about such subjects is impossible...so it will never fully be gone. America has a unique history in that regard.

It's asked constantly of the Black Lives Matter movement if White Lives Matter. They reply "It's not about that". No one cares when a white kid, unarmed, gets shot by the police. Police officer can be black, white, asian, whatever. No one cares that a white kid got shot. That's hardly controversial newsworthy shit is it?

When a black kid dies, there's a protest. When a white kid dies (which happens at a higher rate)...not one person takes to the streets.

So...DO white lives matter?

Why wouldn't a privileged black kid be from Bel Air? I was giving an example of someone from an area considered "rich" Vs someone from an area considered "poor". The "rich" kid doesn't face the struggles and stereotyping that the "poor" kid does...regardless if the black kid is rich and the white kid is poor.

Endosred by government officials, walking the streets with cops, openly endosring violence against another race.....Eh...Esso mate...have a quick search for "Black Lives Matter" and "Dallas" and tell me what you come up with. I'm pretty sure what you'll come up with is the President of America endorsed group of individuals who take over the streets under police supervision and according to Twitter, consider the racially motivated murder of 5 innocent men to be the act of a hero and martyr. Obama went to the memorial service of the police officers and discussed racism in the police force...what's that got to do with 5 dead men who have no known connections to racism what so ever?

Slavery, smfh. Yeah cause black people are the only slaves that ever existed. It takes a long time to undo? Well I, nor anyone in my family no matter how far back, ever owned slaves (Considering my family tree comes from Ireland). Yet I'm somehow dragged into being part of a "race" (ie. some people with the same skin colour from an entirely different background and culture) that was involved in the oppression of others. You are not effected by slavery right now, I'm not effected by slavery right now. It's been a long fucking time mate and if you think your limited in your opportunities in life because your great great grandfather was mistreated...you need to look in the mirror a bit pal.

"That history will never be gone". So, what you're saying is....I'm allowed to claim that there's "English privilege" and seek reparations for the atrocities the English committed upon my ancestors? Basically, as far back as my family tree goes, there's gonna be plenty of cases of horrible acts committed by Englishmen onto either Scotsmen or Irishmen. You say it's impossible for someone's feelings towards this to be gone...but 55% of Scotland recently disagreed.

America doesn't have a unique history. Slavery happened everywhere. There are plenty of examples of black slave masters throughout history too. But you can't talk about that. No slavery amounts to the days of the KKK and cotton picking, right?

Slavery was a long time ago. Why is it a black man is allowed to feel this contempt and hatred towards that former oppression, but we'd all laugh if a woman said she felt contempt and hatred towards men as a result of the lack of woman's rights 50 years ago? It's just not relevant anymore but economically and socially...we've come a long ass way from those days to even have them be a factor in 2016.

[Esso]

Right....and its the first time anyone's ever asked if White Lives Matter. Its not out of concern or doubt that the country as a whole cares about White Lives, its out of insecurity because theyre not included when people ask if Black Lives Matter.

The fact you make comparisons to the Fresh Prince's situation shows how familiar you are with how things go here.....you see it in sitcoms and in rap videos and on the news. You're saying 'we've come a long way'. Is you is or is you not from Scotland? Fuck is this we shit if you dont even live here? Women have had equal rights for twice as long as black people in America and nobody was lynching women just for being female. And yes, other races and groups have been slaves.....but this is an American issue and over here, black people were the only ethnic group enslaved widespread. You're comparing apples to orange soda....You are not in touch with the reality of the situation you comment on.

[Esso]

Right....and its the first time anyone's ever asked if White Lives Matter. Its not out of concern or doubt that the country as a whole cares about White Lives, its out of insecurity because theyre not included when people ask if Black Lives Matter.

The fact you make comparisons to the Fresh Prince's situation shows how familiar you are with how things go here.....you see it in sitcoms and in rap videos and on the news. You're saying 'we've come a long way'. Is you is or is you not from Scotland? Fuck is this we shit if you dont even live here? Women have had equal rights for twice as long as black people in America and nobody was lynching women just for being female. And yes, other races and groups have been slaves.....but this is an American issue and over here, black people were the only ethnic group enslaved widespread. You're comparing apples to orange soda....You are not in touch with the reality of the situation you comment on.

Originally Posted by Esso

Right....and its the first time anyone's ever asked if White Lives Matter. Its not out of concern or doubt that the country as a whole cares about White Lives, its out of insecurity because theyre not included when people ask if Black Lives Matter.

The fact you make comparisons to the Fresh Prince's situation shows how familiar you are with how things go here.....you see it in sitcoms and in rap videos and on the news. You're saying 'we've come a long way'. Is you is or is you not from Scotland? Fuck is this we shit if you dont even live here? Women have had equal rights for twice as long as black people in America and nobody was lynching women just for being female. And yes, other races and groups have been slaves.....but this is an American issue and over here, black people were the only ethnic group enslaved widespread. You're comparing apples to orange soda....You are not in touch with the reality of the situation you comment on.

It doesn't matter if black people feel like their lives matter more or not. Just like it doesn't matter if women feel like they earn as much as men. Facts are facts and don't take people's self-victimizing feelings into account.

If the media only reports that a black person has been killed by a white person of authority and never visa versa, then asking if white lives matter is a very legitimate question. Why aren't white people fought for and represented when they are victims of the exact same crimes (in higher numbers)?

I didn't make a comparison of Fresh Prince of Bel Air. I stopped and said "What's a rich place in America?". I just happened to pick Bel Air. Change the name to Beverly Hills or Stanford if you want. Doesn't change my point.

We as in the human race. Your mentality is why segregation exists. You live by a "we". "We black people". "We Americans". People are people. You have probably made a passing comment about Kim Jong Il or something in your time, but feel like someone who isn't American has no right to discuss America. Ironic in the wake of Brexit as well.

I love your "My social justice is better than their social justice". Women have every right to comment on your male privilege if you're going to talk bullshit about white privilege. Check your privilege fam.

Widespread racism is the only form of racism huh? So if you're ancestors weren't slaves in America...you don't know "da pain"? So someone today who lives every day in their life being horrendously victimised as a middle eastern man doesn't know the pain that a black man who may never have seen racism in real life a day in his life...because of "da slaves"?

Slavery is done. It's been done for a very long time. You, nor anyone you've ever met, was a slave or slave owner. It's gone. Abolished. Disappeared. You can't keep clinging to bullshit that happened in the past...and if you ARE going to do that...maybe realize that black people don't have shit of a claim in American historical race related pain in comparison to Native Americans. But Native Americans aren't controversial...so who cares about them right. #BlackLivesMatter #AllLivesMatterIsRacist #SocialJustice #BlackHeroInDallas

Originally Posted by Esso

Right....and its the first time anyone's ever asked if White Lives Matter. Its not out of concern or doubt that the country as a whole cares about White Lives, its out of insecurity because theyre not included when people ask if Black Lives Matter.

The fact you make comparisons to the Fresh Prince's situation shows how familiar you are with how things go here.....you see it in sitcoms and in rap videos and on the news. You're saying 'we've come a long way'. Is you is or is you not from Scotland? Fuck is this we shit if you dont even live here? Women have had equal rights for twice as long as black people in America and nobody was lynching women just for being female. And yes, other races and groups have been slaves.....but this is an American issue and over here, black people were the only ethnic group enslaved widespread. You're comparing apples to orange soda....You are not in touch with the reality of the situation you comment on.

It doesn't matter if black people feel like their lives matter more or not. Just like it doesn't matter if women feel like they earn as much as men. Facts are facts and don't take people's self-victimizing feelings into account.

If the media only reports that a black person has been killed by a white person of authority and never visa versa, then asking if white lives matter is a very legitimate question. Why aren't white people fought for and represented when they are victims of the exact same crimes (in higher numbers)?

I didn't make a comparison of Fresh Prince of Bel Air. I stopped and said "What's a rich place in America?". I just happened to pick Bel Air. Change the name to Beverly Hills or Stanford if you want. Doesn't change my point.

We as in the human race. Your mentality is why segregation exists. You live by a "we". "We black people". "We Americans". People are people. You have probably made a passing comment about Kim Jong Il or something in your time, but feel like someone who isn't American has no right to discuss America. Ironic in the wake of Brexit as well.

I love your "My social justice is better than their social justice". Women have every right to comment on your male privilege if you're going to talk bullshit about white privilege. Check your privilege fam.

Widespread racism is the only form of racism huh? So if you're ancestors weren't slaves in America...you don't know "da pain"? So someone today who lives every day in their life being horrendously victimised as a middle eastern man doesn't know the pain that a black man who may never have seen racism in real life a day in his life...because of "da slaves"?

Slavery is done. It's been done for a very long time. You, nor anyone you've ever met, was a slave or slave owner. It's gone. Abolished. Disappeared. You can't keep clinging to bullshit that happened in the past...and if you ARE going to do that...maybe realize that black people don't have shit of a claim in American historical race related pain in comparison to Native Americans. But Native Americans aren't controversial...so who cares about them right. #BlackLivesMatter #AllLivesMatterIsRacist #SocialJustice #BlackHeroInDallas

[Student]

The fact "most" white people don't see that they don't need a movement to gain equality is astounding to me. By hijacking the Black Lives Matter movement your whole platform is that their isn't "White Privilege" i.e. you need a change in your life to find balance.

[Student]

The fact "most" white people don't see that they don't need a movement to gain equality is astounding to me. By hijacking the Black Lives Matter movement your whole platform is that their isn't "White Privilege" i.e. you need a change in your life to find balance.

Originally Posted by Student

The fact "most" white people don't see that they don't need a movement to gain equality is astounding to me. By hijacking the Black Lives Matter movement your whole platform is that their isn't "White Privilege" i.e. you need a change in your life to find balance.

Black Lives Matter directs it's attention towards the policing. We're not talking percentages, because percentages doesn't change numbers. Fact is, white people are killed unarmed at a higher rate than black people in America. No one cares about them. No one's fighting for them.

People focus so much on fucking race. I watched that one with Anton (something, cannae remember his second name) and the comments are ALL race related. Some complete scum white people bringing up the guy's crime sheet like it's relevant. Other people talking about how bad white cops are and how black people can't catch a break. I'm sitting there like "The fuck are you guys talking about? We just watched a video of a man getting murdered and you guys focus on whether or not the murderer is a racist?".

Can you even imagine a White Lives Matter movement? It would be dubbed the most racist thing in history and would end up in a huge fight with BLM turning up to it. You're not allowed to be a non-privileged white person. You're not allowed to be a non-privileged male. Everything you achieve as a white straight cis male is irrelevant because the world handed it to your feet.

It's just funny that @Esso's mentality is that of most. Tell him he's getting the world handed to him as a male and that females are oppressed, and he says "That's bullshit"...yet he claims the exact same stuff that white people get the world handed to them and black people are oppressed.

Some people face some horrific racism out there...but racism isn't even the tip of the ice berg of serious problems in the world anymore.

Originally Posted by Student

The fact "most" white people don't see that they don't need a movement to gain equality is astounding to me. By hijacking the Black Lives Matter movement your whole platform is that their isn't "White Privilege" i.e. you need a change in your life to find balance.

Black Lives Matter directs it's attention towards the policing. We're not talking percentages, because percentages doesn't change numbers. Fact is, white people are killed unarmed at a higher rate than black people in America. No one cares about them. No one's fighting for them.

People focus so much on fucking race. I watched that one with Anton (something, cannae remember his second name) and the comments are ALL race related. Some complete scum white people bringing up the guy's crime sheet like it's relevant. Other people talking about how bad white cops are and how black people can't catch a break. I'm sitting there like "The fuck are you guys talking about? We just watched a video of a man getting murdered and you guys focus on whether or not the murderer is a racist?".

Can you even imagine a White Lives Matter movement? It would be dubbed the most racist thing in history and would end up in a huge fight with BLM turning up to it. You're not allowed to be a non-privileged white person. You're not allowed to be a non-privileged male. Everything you achieve as a white straight cis male is irrelevant because the world handed it to your feet.

It's just funny that @Esso's mentality is that of most. Tell him he's getting the world handed to him as a male and that females are oppressed, and he says "That's bullshit"...yet he claims the exact same stuff that white people get the world handed to them and black people are oppressed.

Some people face some horrific racism out there...but racism isn't even the tip of the ice berg of serious problems in the world anymore.

Originally Posted by iCaL

Black Lives Matter directs it's attention towards the policing. We're not talking percentages, because percentages doesn't change numbers. Fact is, white people are killed unarmed at a higher rate than black people in America. No one cares about them. No one's fighting for them.

People focus so much on fucking race. I watched that one with Anton (something, cannae remember his second name) and the comments are ALL race related. Some complete scum white people bringing up the guy's crime sheet like it's relevant. Other people talking about how bad white cops are and how black people can't catch a break. I'm sitting there like "The fuck are you guys talking about? We just watched a video of a man getting murdered and you guys focus on whether or not the murderer is a racist?".

Can you even imagine a White Lives Matter movement? It would be dubbed the most racist thing in history and would end up in a huge fight with BLM turning up to it. You're not allowed to be a non-privileged white person. You're not allowed to be a non-privileged male. Everything you achieve as a white straight cis male is irrelevant because the world handed it to your feet.

It's just funny that @Esso's mentality is that of most. Tell him he's getting the world handed to him as a male and that females are oppressed, and he says "That's bullshit"...yet he claims the exact same stuff that white people get the world handed to them and black people are oppressed.

Some people face some horrific racism out there...but racism isn't even the tip of the ice berg of serious problems in the world anymore.

Well said

Originally Posted by iCaL

Black Lives Matter directs it's attention towards the policing. We're not talking percentages, because percentages doesn't change numbers. Fact is, white people are killed unarmed at a higher rate than black people in America. No one cares about them. No one's fighting for them.

People focus so much on fucking race. I watched that one with Anton (something, cannae remember his second name) and the comments are ALL race related. Some complete scum white people bringing up the guy's crime sheet like it's relevant. Other people talking about how bad white cops are and how black people can't catch a break. I'm sitting there like "The fuck are you guys talking about? We just watched a video of a man getting murdered and you guys focus on whether or not the murderer is a racist?".

Can you even imagine a White Lives Matter movement? It would be dubbed the most racist thing in history and would end up in a huge fight with BLM turning up to it. You're not allowed to be a non-privileged white person. You're not allowed to be a non-privileged male. Everything you achieve as a white straight cis male is irrelevant because the world handed it to your feet.

It's just funny that @Esso's mentality is that of most. Tell him he's getting the world handed to him as a male and that females are oppressed, and he says "That's bullshit"...yet he claims the exact same stuff that white people get the world handed to them and black people are oppressed.

Some people face some horrific racism out there...but racism isn't even the tip of the ice berg of serious problems in the world anymore.

Well said

Originally Posted by Enfinite

Well said

You can't agree with these white people problems. You're clearly like Mexican or Samoan or something. You have "Kind of confusingly ethnic looking privilege".

Originally Posted by Enfinite

Well said

You can't agree with these white people problems. You're clearly like Mexican or Samoan or something. You have "Kind of confusingly ethnic looking privilege".

Originally Posted by iCaL

You can't agree with these white people problems. You're clearly like Mexican or Samoan or something. You have "Kind of confusingly ethnic looking privilege".

White/Black man. I don't know what side im on

Originally Posted by iCaL

You can't agree with these white people problems. You're clearly like Mexican or Samoan or something. You have "Kind of confusingly ethnic looking privilege".

White/Black man. I don't know what side im on

[Esso]

Originally Posted by iCaL

Black Lives Matter directs it's attention towards the policing. We're not talking percentages, because percentages doesn't change numbers. Fact is, white people are killed unarmed at a higher rate than black people in America. No one cares about them. No one's fighting for them.

You're not allowed to be a non-privileged white person. You're not allowed to be a non-privileged male. Everything you achieve as a white straight cis male is irrelevant because the world handed it to your feet.

It's just funny that @Esso's mentality is that of most. Tell him he's getting the world handed to him as a male and that females are oppressed, and he says "That's bullshit"...yet he claims the exact same stuff that white people get the world handed to them and black people are oppressed. .

More people dying does not mean its happening at a higher rate....Rate is how many times something happens per unit of measure....a percentage. In 2015, blacks were killed at a rate of 3x more than white people and made up 40% of those killed while only making up 12% of the population. How does that make any sense at all? "You're not talking percentages" because it doesn't fit your argument. White people are not killed at a higher rate....and thats the whole problem.

And again, in America women arent treated nearly the same as black people....theres levels to this shit, levels to privilege, oppression, and disadvantage and ignoring that to make a comparison reminds me you do not understand the situation.

[Esso]

Originally Posted by iCaL

Black Lives Matter directs it's attention towards the policing. We're not talking percentages, because percentages doesn't change numbers. Fact is, white people are killed unarmed at a higher rate than black people in America. No one cares about them. No one's fighting for them.

You're not allowed to be a non-privileged white person. You're not allowed to be a non-privileged male. Everything you achieve as a white straight cis male is irrelevant because the world handed it to your feet.

It's just funny that @Esso's mentality is that of most. Tell him he's getting the world handed to him as a male and that females are oppressed, and he says "That's bullshit"...yet he claims the exact same stuff that white people get the world handed to them and black people are oppressed. .

More people dying does not mean its happening at a higher rate....Rate is how many times something happens per unit of measure....a percentage. In 2015, blacks were killed at a rate of 3x more than white people and made up 40% of those killed while only making up 12% of the population. How does that make any sense at all? "You're not talking percentages" because it doesn't fit your argument. White people are not killed at a higher rate....and thats the whole problem.

And again, in America women arent treated nearly the same as black people....theres levels to this shit, levels to privilege, oppression, and disadvantage and ignoring that to make a comparison reminds me you do not understand the situation.