Atheism

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imo..... Nicholas is absolutely right. ^^

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imo..... Nicholas is absolutely right. ^^

This shit got outta hand quick lol, I was just tryna show y'all a video. C'mon! :wtf:

This shit got outta hand quick lol, I was just tryna show y'all a video. C'mon! :wtf:

Kat Williams is no philosopher or expert on anything. IMO he isn't even funny.

Kat Williams is no philosopher or expert on anything. IMO he isn't even funny.

Originally Posted by Agonize

Kat Williams is no philosopher or expert on anything. IMO he isn't even funny.

You can't be serious. He's hilarious fam, I agree he says some dumb shit at times but he got jokes

Originally Posted by Agonize

Kat Williams is no philosopher or expert on anything. IMO he isn't even funny.

You can't be serious. He's hilarious fam, I agree he says some dumb shit at times but he got jokes

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Originally Posted by Nicholas

Why do Atheists have to disprove your beliefs and thoughts?

There is no evidence of a god, and therefore if you want to make up a god in your mind then fine, who cares. However once people start acting like it's a fact, then you have to prove it. I don't have to disprove YOUR imaginary friend, that would be ridiculous. If I ran around telling everyone I could fly, and when questioned answered "Well you can't prove I can't" everyone would laugh at the ridiculousness of it. When it comes to religion people act like this is a good argument, it's not it's ridiculous. It's your theory therefore it's your responsibility to prove it, not anyone else's to disprove it.

Secondly, just because something hasn't been proven to not exist does not mean that it does. If I say that the Hulk from the Marvel characters does exist, then as there is no evidence to suggest he doesn't does not prove that he does.

There is not a scrap of evidence that there is a god, none whatsoever. There is a staggering amount of evidence for evolution amongst other things that contradict lots of your beliefs. Why would you expect me to take the view of the people who provide no evidence?

AND evolution does not state we come from monkeys, it states we have a common ancestor with apes. If you thought that evolution stated we come from monkeys then perhaps you should reflect upon your knowledge on evolution and do some reading and then make your mind up on the theory. Many of you won't do that, you worry that it's blasphemy or just want to avoid something that might shatter your beliefs. Well as an Atheist I can read anything, holy scriptures or science and anything in between, when we draw our conclusions I can see the full picture whilst you subject yourself to only one small portion.

EDIT:
Those last two paragraphs aren't so much in reply to Noble, I realise he didn't state we evolved from monkeys etc.

I agree that there isn't a single shred of evidence to prove the existence of a god as defined by most religions. Keep in mind that I'm not saying there is a god or coming from a theist's perspective. I am not saying that someone who says "I haven't seen any evidence or proof of god" or "I don't believe or accept the so-called proofs of god as evidence" has the burden of proof. I am saying someone who says conclusively that "THERE IS NO GOD" does have the burden of proving that claim because it is an absolute statement on reality.
It is perfectly sane and reasonable to doubt something when you have been presented no credible evidence of its existence.
If you told me there's a million dollars worth of gold under your bed and you present me with no evidence, I, not having made any declarations but merely doubting due to your lack of proof am under no burden of proving anything. However, if I said "there ISN'T a million dollars worth of gold under your bed," that statement warrants proving. And for me to say there isn't a million dollars worth of gold solely because of your lack of proof to the contrary could be foolish. Unless I've went and searched underneath your bed myself or otherwise collected information that positively disproves the existence of the million dollars worth of gold, I am within my rights to doubt but I am not in a (tenable) position to say there absolutely isn't a million dollars in gold.
Lastly, I agree with you about people acting like their religion is fact. Religion, especially without clear conclusive evidence, is belief, not fact. However, I feel the same way about certain forms of atheism. I see it as a belief that there is no god, which without any proof or evidence, isn't any more factual than the religions they speak against.

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Originally Posted by Nicholas

Why do Atheists have to disprove your beliefs and thoughts?

There is no evidence of a god, and therefore if you want to make up a god in your mind then fine, who cares. However once people start acting like it's a fact, then you have to prove it. I don't have to disprove YOUR imaginary friend, that would be ridiculous. If I ran around telling everyone I could fly, and when questioned answered "Well you can't prove I can't" everyone would laugh at the ridiculousness of it. When it comes to religion people act like this is a good argument, it's not it's ridiculous. It's your theory therefore it's your responsibility to prove it, not anyone else's to disprove it.

Secondly, just because something hasn't been proven to not exist does not mean that it does. If I say that the Hulk from the Marvel characters does exist, then as there is no evidence to suggest he doesn't does not prove that he does.

There is not a scrap of evidence that there is a god, none whatsoever. There is a staggering amount of evidence for evolution amongst other things that contradict lots of your beliefs. Why would you expect me to take the view of the people who provide no evidence?

AND evolution does not state we come from monkeys, it states we have a common ancestor with apes. If you thought that evolution stated we come from monkeys then perhaps you should reflect upon your knowledge on evolution and do some reading and then make your mind up on the theory. Many of you won't do that, you worry that it's blasphemy or just want to avoid something that might shatter your beliefs. Well as an Atheist I can read anything, holy scriptures or science and anything in between, when we draw our conclusions I can see the full picture whilst you subject yourself to only one small portion.

EDIT:
Those last two paragraphs aren't so much in reply to Noble, I realise he didn't state we evolved from monkeys etc.

I agree that there isn't a single shred of evidence to prove the existence of a god as defined by most religions. Keep in mind that I'm not saying there is a god or coming from a theist's perspective. I am not saying that someone who says "I haven't seen any evidence or proof of god" or "I don't believe or accept the so-called proofs of god as evidence" has the burden of proof. I am saying someone who says conclusively that "THERE IS NO GOD" does have the burden of proving that claim because it is an absolute statement on reality.
It is perfectly sane and reasonable to doubt something when you have been presented no credible evidence of its existence.
If you told me there's a million dollars worth of gold under your bed and you present me with no evidence, I, not having made any declarations but merely doubting due to your lack of proof am under no burden of proving anything. However, if I said "there ISN'T a million dollars worth of gold under your bed," that statement warrants proving. And for me to say there isn't a million dollars worth of gold solely because of your lack of proof to the contrary could be foolish. Unless I've went and searched underneath your bed myself or otherwise collected information that positively disproves the existence of the million dollars worth of gold, I am within my rights to doubt but I am not in a (tenable) position to say there absolutely isn't a million dollars in gold.
Lastly, I agree with you about people acting like their religion is fact. Religion, especially without clear conclusive evidence, is belief, not fact. However, I feel the same way about certain forms of atheism. I see it as a belief that there is no god, which without any proof or evidence, isn't any more factual than the religions they speak against.

[Krhyme Killz]

Originally Posted by Louie Dawgs

Hold up.

Why MUST there be something other than this??? Seriously, why must there be?? How can you state that something exists without proving it?? This, "well, it would sort of make sense if...." nonsense is fucking retarded.

Also, you're wrong about athiesm being a cop out. If anythingm, religion is a cop out for the hard truth that the universe if fundamentally ambivalent about you.


Truth is, you don't matter. At all. You can be the best person in the world, or the worst person, and it doesn't really matter in the long run. The universe as a whole won't end up better or worse for it. Everybody you killed, or everybody you saved is going to die anyway, and people are going to forget your name. Less than 100 years ago the biggest celebrity in America was Aimee Semple McPherson. Does a single person here know who she is other than me?? No. In a thousand years, will it really fucking matter what she did or didn't do? Would it even matter if she existed or not?? What about Newton? In a billion years will the universe give a fuck if he did or did not ever exist??


In a hundred years. In a thousand years. In a million years, nobody is going to know who you were or give a motherfuck what you did. At heart you or I don't matter. That's the cop out of religion.

The "Goldilocks" zone for planetary habitation, (earth-like planets) probably contains millions, if not billions of planets.

And just because something happens doesn't imply god.

this was actually really well put.

and religion is the biggest cop out. in fact, you could argue that it was spread as a mass cop out to ease the minds of those who've lost loved ones or were at death's door step.

someone else said that it was the result of having bad shit happen to you that you dont believe in God...but in actuality, i've found most people who've had tragic shit happen...TURN to God to cope. Anyone who lost their religion due to a tragic event..never had faith to begin with...

[Krhyme Killz]

Originally Posted by Louie Dawgs

Hold up.

Why MUST there be something other than this??? Seriously, why must there be?? How can you state that something exists without proving it?? This, "well, it would sort of make sense if...." nonsense is fucking retarded.

Also, you're wrong about athiesm being a cop out. If anythingm, religion is a cop out for the hard truth that the universe if fundamentally ambivalent about you.


Truth is, you don't matter. At all. You can be the best person in the world, or the worst person, and it doesn't really matter in the long run. The universe as a whole won't end up better or worse for it. Everybody you killed, or everybody you saved is going to die anyway, and people are going to forget your name. Less than 100 years ago the biggest celebrity in America was Aimee Semple McPherson. Does a single person here know who she is other than me?? No. In a thousand years, will it really fucking matter what she did or didn't do? Would it even matter if she existed or not?? What about Newton? In a billion years will the universe give a fuck if he did or did not ever exist??


In a hundred years. In a thousand years. In a million years, nobody is going to know who you were or give a motherfuck what you did. At heart you or I don't matter. That's the cop out of religion.

The "Goldilocks" zone for planetary habitation, (earth-like planets) probably contains millions, if not billions of planets.

And just because something happens doesn't imply god.

this was actually really well put.

and religion is the biggest cop out. in fact, you could argue that it was spread as a mass cop out to ease the minds of those who've lost loved ones or were at death's door step.

someone else said that it was the result of having bad shit happen to you that you dont believe in God...but in actuality, i've found most people who've had tragic shit happen...TURN to God to cope. Anyone who lost their religion due to a tragic event..never had faith to begin with...

Originally Posted by Noble

I agree that there isn't a single shred of evidence to prove the existence of a god as defined by most religions. Keep in mind that I'm not saying there is a god or coming from a theist's perspective. I am not saying that someone who says "I haven't seen any evidence or proof of god" or "I don't believe or accept the so-called proofs of god as evidence" has the burden of proof. I am saying someone who says conclusively that "THERE IS NO GOD" does have the burden of proving that claim because it is an absolute statement on reality.
It is perfectly sane and reasonable to doubt something when you have been presented no credible evidence of its existence.
If you told me there's a million dollars worth of gold under your bed and you present me with no evidence, I, not having made any declarations but merely doubting due to your lack of proof am under no burden of proving anything. However, if I said "there ISN'T a million dollars worth of gold under your bed," that statement warrants proving. And for me to say there isn't a million dollars worth of gold solely because of your lack of proof to the contrary could be foolish. Unless I've went and searched underneath your bed myself or otherwise collected information that positively disproves the existence of the million dollars worth of gold, I am within my rights to doubt but I am not in a (tenable) position to say there absolutely isn't a million dollars in gold.
Lastly, I agree with you about people acting like their religion is fact. Religion, especially without clear conclusive evidence, is belief, not fact. However, I feel the same way about certain forms of atheism. I see it as a belief that there is no god, which without any proof or evidence, isn't any more factual than the religions they speak against.

Most educated Atheists will tell you, no we can't prove there is no god. However it's extremely unlikely that there is a god and therefore we don't believe there is. I can't prove Fairies don't exist, but I don't believe there is because it's very unlikely.

So no, I cannot definitely 100% say there isn't a god, but I believe in a god as much as I believe in the Bogeyman, Fairies, Mermaids and Unicorns. I hope that irons it out.

Originally Posted by Noble

I agree that there isn't a single shred of evidence to prove the existence of a god as defined by most religions. Keep in mind that I'm not saying there is a god or coming from a theist's perspective. I am not saying that someone who says "I haven't seen any evidence or proof of god" or "I don't believe or accept the so-called proofs of god as evidence" has the burden of proof. I am saying someone who says conclusively that "THERE IS NO GOD" does have the burden of proving that claim because it is an absolute statement on reality.
It is perfectly sane and reasonable to doubt something when you have been presented no credible evidence of its existence.
If you told me there's a million dollars worth of gold under your bed and you present me with no evidence, I, not having made any declarations but merely doubting due to your lack of proof am under no burden of proving anything. However, if I said "there ISN'T a million dollars worth of gold under your bed," that statement warrants proving. And for me to say there isn't a million dollars worth of gold solely because of your lack of proof to the contrary could be foolish. Unless I've went and searched underneath your bed myself or otherwise collected information that positively disproves the existence of the million dollars worth of gold, I am within my rights to doubt but I am not in a (tenable) position to say there absolutely isn't a million dollars in gold.
Lastly, I agree with you about people acting like their religion is fact. Religion, especially without clear conclusive evidence, is belief, not fact. However, I feel the same way about certain forms of atheism. I see it as a belief that there is no god, which without any proof or evidence, isn't any more factual than the religions they speak against.

Most educated Atheists will tell you, no we can't prove there is no god. However it's extremely unlikely that there is a god and therefore we don't believe there is. I can't prove Fairies don't exist, but I don't believe there is because it's very unlikely.

So no, I cannot definitely 100% say there isn't a god, but I believe in a god as much as I believe in the Bogeyman, Fairies, Mermaids and Unicorns. I hope that irons it out.

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Lol...that's fair. In my experience, there are different kinds of atheists. It is only so-called "strong/positive atheists" that I sometimes have a problem with. I think of "atheist" as a somewhat relative term and that we are all atheistic towards someone's beliefs. If a Hindu has his own concept of god and disbelieves a Christian's concept of god, as far as that Christian is concerned, that Hindu might as well be atheist because his god (Jehovah) is the only true god, therefore, a belief in another god is really a lack of belief in God. Historically, the Greek term atheos (without gods) from which "atheist" is derived, was applied to not only true atheists but also people who did have belief in deities, just not the Greek ones.
I also think that "god" is an idea first and foremost, and there is no denying that the idea exists. With the multitudinous definitions of the term "god', the term "atheist" becomes even more ambiguous, especially when it pre-supposes that all uses and definitions of "god" fits into a certain criteria. If in my conceptualization of god, I concluded that god is water, would you deny that water exists? If not, then you wouldn't be atheistic towards my belief. If you argued that water exists but it isn't god, then you obviously have a belief that god (as an idea) exists as well. You'd have to have a clear concept of god to be able to say what god is or isn't or to even believe or disbelieve in god. WE ALL BELIEVE THAT GOD EXISTS. The only difference is what we believe god exists as. To some people, god exists as an actual physical omnipotent entity in the universe. To others, god exists as a fictional character, word in the dictionary, a figment of some people's imagination....still an existence. So admit it @Nicholas. You believe that god exists. You just just don't believe that he exists as nothing more than an idea.

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Lol...that's fair. In my experience, there are different kinds of atheists. It is only so-called "strong/positive atheists" that I sometimes have a problem with. I think of "atheist" as a somewhat relative term and that we are all atheistic towards someone's beliefs. If a Hindu has his own concept of god and disbelieves a Christian's concept of god, as far as that Christian is concerned, that Hindu might as well be atheist because his god (Jehovah) is the only true god, therefore, a belief in another god is really a lack of belief in God. Historically, the Greek term atheos (without gods) from which "atheist" is derived, was applied to not only true atheists but also people who did have belief in deities, just not the Greek ones.
I also think that "god" is an idea first and foremost, and there is no denying that the idea exists. With the multitudinous definitions of the term "god', the term "atheist" becomes even more ambiguous, especially when it pre-supposes that all uses and definitions of "god" fits into a certain criteria. If in my conceptualization of god, I concluded that god is water, would you deny that water exists? If not, then you wouldn't be atheistic towards my belief. If you argued that water exists but it isn't god, then you obviously have a belief that god (as an idea) exists as well. You'd have to have a clear concept of god to be able to say what god is or isn't or to even believe or disbelieve in god. WE ALL BELIEVE THAT GOD EXISTS. The only difference is what we believe god exists as. To some people, god exists as an actual physical omnipotent entity in the universe. To others, god exists as a fictional character, word in the dictionary, a figment of some people's imagination....still an existence. So admit it @Nicholas. You believe that god exists. You just just don't believe that he exists as nothing more than an idea.

I still think it's absolutely hilarious that illuminate believers quote Kat Williams and Dave Chappelle. Yes, pothead comedians. THAT'S the people to believe.

I still think it's absolutely hilarious that illuminate believers quote Kat Williams and Dave Chappelle. Yes, pothead comedians. THAT'S the people to believe.

[Louie Dawgs]

Originally Posted by Fidel Z

You can't be serious. He's hilarious fam, I agree he says some dumb shit at times but he got jokes

He isn't really very bright, as in he says a lot of dumb shit and acts like a retard 24/7, but he is fucking hilarious.

[Louie Dawgs]

Originally Posted by Fidel Z

You can't be serious. He's hilarious fam, I agree he says some dumb shit at times but he got jokes

He isn't really very bright, as in he says a lot of dumb shit and acts like a retard 24/7, but he is fucking hilarious.