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Originally Posted by Swagga Lee
That blacks are targeted by police and that the NYPD could conceivably provide reliable statistics---are not mutually exclusive. I never said the police are a trusted organization, all of who`s reports one can believe blindly. I just stated that on this particular subject of whether there has been an increase in hate crimes, I find their report more credible than yours. Here is a link to a hate crime arrest that was made ( http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loca...135654693.html). Feel free to Google and find others. You said "most" of the hate crime reports are hoaxes. How did you arrive at that? Have you looked at every single hate crime report and realized a precise percentage that turned out to be hoaxes, or have you just been spending lots of time reading Breitbart and Alt-Right-wingers rant about "fake news" and liberal media conspiracies? Picking and choosing when to believe whether a source is credible---is exactly what I`m doing. It`s called using one`s own discernment, and it`s what we should all be doing and what I`m pretty sure you must have done along the way to arrive at your viewpoints. I agree with you about questioning things being reported...not just the hate crimes, but everything, from every source (even Breitbart). To believe that the vast majority of hate crimes are hoaxed or self-perpetuated in order to blame the "evil white man"--borders on tinfoil hat-wearing. The original statement you suggested was "black neighborhoods are violent," not "black neighborhoods are more dangerous," which is a different argument in my view. I still think it`s a parochial and narrow-minded thing to say (maybe it`s the PC kicking in me), because what exactly is a "black neighborhood," and what is it more dangerous than? The same neighborhoods you refer to as "dangerous black neighborhoods" can just as well be looked at as "dangerous poor neighborhoods"...and forgive me for being so PC, but the implicit correlation between poverty and violence if one said "poorer neighborhoods are more dangerous"--is more accurate than the implicit correlation between race and violence if one said "black neighborhoods are more dangerous." I`m almost certain that poorer predominantly white neighborhoods are often more violent than more affluent predominantly white neighborhoods. There is no need to include "white" in the terms when talking about these neighborhoods and falsely imply that their levels of violence has to do with whiteness. |
"Never said the NYPD was a trusted organization".. Yet, you source them? I guess you don't know how sourcing works.
"I trust the NYPD over you".. Then why do you believe black people are being targeted by the police? Cuz the NYPD will say it doesn't happen. And It's regular citizens who speak out against police brutality. So do you only believe the police are corrupt when it suits your needs?
I'll let you in on a little secret, the police, DA and the whole judicial system gets raises, promotions, bribes and political clout by making arrests. The more arrests the bigger the budget they get. So of course they're going to always claim crime is on the rise. To get more money and take away more rights. You can't trust those who are paid to keep you in chains, homie.
And your proof of increased hate crimes against muslims is a link to gay guys fighting with some weirdo on a moped. A link with no "conviction" at that? Lol what ever bro. And btw, you're making the claim so the burden of proof is on you. Show me actual convictions of white people committing hate crimes against muslims. Maybe, the increase you speak of was those 4 black people who kidnapped and tortured that white handicapped Trump supporter? They were charged with hate crimes. Lolololol.
I came up with my idea of all the hoaxes being hoaxes after reading twenty articles about twenty hoaxes. If hoaxes weren't so prominent then why couldn't you post an actual hate crime against a Muslim? Nope, just gay guys.
I actually don't watch TV or rely on just websites or any of that. But when I do I listen to all stations, all experts, then follow the stories and leads myself. Ascertain to who's credible and who's not. If you're a far left weirdo or a neocon I definitely won't believe you easily. I read Breitbart, watch Stefan Molyneaux, James Corbett and many others but I also listen to and watch KNPR, CNN, MSNBC and a slew of liberal media. Not to mention, I've studied political science to a far greater degree than most.
"What's a black neighborhood"? LOLOLOL!! Are you serious? Semantics little bro!! You don't know what a black neighborhood is but have no problem identifying a white one. And see this is the problem with pc, you approach this with a smug attitude that you're morally superior to this white racist who's just too inferior to comprehend the reality of it all. When you just admitted black neighborhoods usually are more dangerous. I grew up in a mixed hood and believe me the area that was all black white boys didn't dare go alone lol.. Besides, fool, I've actually donated money time and have done tons of charity work! In these neighborhoods. From the poor to the sick. I've been there. And what, you have some moral high ground over me just cuz of the words you choose to use? Put your money where your mouth is and maybe I'll find you credible.
My hypothetical about black neighborhoods being dangerous has you all bent out of shape. Even though you admitted it yourself. Pc causes you to break with reality apparently.
And I'm not going to argue against classism as that's my dominion. You put all your chickens in the racism coupe.
The argument is about pc being good or not. Obviously, it's not good cuz this convo is not pc. You just make ad hominem attacks by making non pc akin to being racist or using racial slurs. Which it's not.
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Originally Posted by Rant
Are you saying that the freedom of speech gives you the right to say whatever you want? It doesn't. There are caveats to the first amendment that deal with things like reputation. Racial slurs, and derogatory remarks have the capacity to weaken the reputation of entire subsects of society on a cultural level. Bigotry and dispiriting speech are not a constitutional right afforded to you by the bill of rights.
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That's why we're talking about pc, as certain speech isn't protected so it's a moot point. We don't need any more laws against freedom of speech. It's only used to silent opposition. Quit the bullshit about racial slurs. That's not the same as not being pc.