People say science is...

too subjective. What are your thoughts

too subjective. What are your thoughts

There's an awful lot of peer review in science. I'm not sure what specifically we are talking about but most sciency news you hear/read has been scrutinized and reviewed repeatedly by people much smarter than you and me. Yay science!

There's an awful lot of peer review in science. I'm not sure what specifically we are talking about but most sciency news you hear/read has been scrutinized and reviewed repeatedly by people much smarter than you and me. Yay science!

I could give a fuck tbh. I think science is dope. I find different religions interesting. And I'm not trying to bring up a religion/science argument type of thing. I just find people should focus more on expanding themselves, and enjoying life in general, rather than bickering and debating over petty crap. People can think what they want, but that isn't going to stop scientists from doing their thing. So I say, fuck it.

I could give a fuck tbh. I think science is dope. I find different religions interesting. And I'm not trying to bring up a religion/science argument type of thing. I just find people should focus more on expanding themselves, and enjoying life in general, rather than bickering and debating over petty crap. People can think what they want, but that isn't going to stop scientists from doing their thing. So I say, fuck it.

[Babylon]

Originally Posted by Dean

too subjective. What are your thoughts

sub·jec·tive
səbˈjektiv/
adjective
1.
based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.

How in the fuck is science in ANY way subjective at all? Science tests things over and over again to get a common result, then, only when there is sufficient evidence for whatever is at hand, is it considered true. Enf or whoever mentioned Religion, Religion is in every way subjective. Religion is purely based upon faith, a feeling / opinion that some unverifiable mystical force with no factual evidence to be based upon is present. Science removes any subjectivity by ever evolving and correcting past errors, Religion stays subjective by emanating dogmatic principles that state something is right / true until the end of time.

Notice that we no longer believe the earth is flat? Yes, this is because even though it was the general populations subjective opinion that the earth was flat science determined that it was in fact spherical. This is why science will never be subjective, it essentially says "Hey, fuck your feelings and opinions. I don't give two shits if you think that the earth is flat, here's demonstrable evidence stating otherwise."

Religion implements dogmatic principles that never evolve, never correct themselves even when new evidence arises infallibly disproving the past discrepancies. I mean, if it wasn't for the social and cultural progression of the human race in recent decades, and we lived by the solemn rule of the bible, slavery would then be completely morally justified as the old and new testament plainly advocates it.

[Babylon]

Originally Posted by Dean

too subjective. What are your thoughts

sub·jec·tive
səbˈjektiv/
adjective
1.
based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.

How in the fuck is science in ANY way subjective at all? Science tests things over and over again to get a common result, then, only when there is sufficient evidence for whatever is at hand, is it considered true. Enf or whoever mentioned Religion, Religion is in every way subjective. Religion is purely based upon faith, a feeling / opinion that some unverifiable mystical force with no factual evidence to be based upon is present. Science removes any subjectivity by ever evolving and correcting past errors, Religion stays subjective by emanating dogmatic principles that state something is right / true until the end of time.

Notice that we no longer believe the earth is flat? Yes, this is because even though it was the general populations subjective opinion that the earth was flat science determined that it was in fact spherical. This is why science will never be subjective, it essentially says "Hey, fuck your feelings and opinions. I don't give two shits if you think that the earth is flat, here's demonstrable evidence stating otherwise."

Religion implements dogmatic principles that never evolve, never correct themselves even when new evidence arises infallibly disproving the past discrepancies. I mean, if it wasn't for the social and cultural progression of the human race in recent decades, and we lived by the solemn rule of the bible, slavery would then be completely morally justified as the old and new testament plainly advocates it.

^And this is the sort of thing I'm talking about. People get to focused on trying to prove a point, or trying to disprove something else when in reality neither party ever really learns anything and goes back to their previous mind-set and the whole thing turns into a waste of time. Whereas as I said, who gives a fuck what people say, expand yourself, breathe in life while you're still here rather than focusing on the petty crap.

^And this is the sort of thing I'm talking about. People get to focused on trying to prove a point, or trying to disprove something else when in reality neither party ever really learns anything and goes back to their previous mind-set and the whole thing turns into a waste of time. Whereas as I said, who gives a fuck what people say, expand yourself, breathe in life while you're still here rather than focusing on the petty crap.

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[Babylon]

Originally Posted by Enfinite

^And this is the sort of thing I'm talking about. People get to focused on trying to prove a point, or trying to disprove something else when in reality neither party ever really learns anything and goes back to their previous mind-set and the whole thing turns into a waste of time. Whereas as I said, who gives a fuck what people say, expand yourself, breathe in life while you're still here rather than focusing on the petty crap.

Simply because you hold the opinion that people shouldn't give a shit about wildly important subjects in proving truth or not doesn't mean everyone else who doesn't is in the wrong. If people just didn't "get too focused on trying to prove a point" we wouldn't have half of the things we have in our life today. It is this slacker mentality that promotes inefficient, lackadaisical, and lethargic living principles that lead to no cultural or societal progression at all. If humanity as a whole lived by the premise that you stated in this subject we'd still be enslaving people because of their skin pigment and seeing women as lesser beings.

Maybe you hear and argument and go back to the previous mind-set, but most critical thinking people take an argument into consideration and revise their opinions based upon what is truthful. If you seriously just see an argument that could potential fell a belief that you hold and simply disregard it then you are living in a pool of ignorance and I abhor you. Trying to find out if what you believe is right or wrong is the farthest thing from "petty crap" in the world..

[Babylon]

Originally Posted by Enfinite

^And this is the sort of thing I'm talking about. People get to focused on trying to prove a point, or trying to disprove something else when in reality neither party ever really learns anything and goes back to their previous mind-set and the whole thing turns into a waste of time. Whereas as I said, who gives a fuck what people say, expand yourself, breathe in life while you're still here rather than focusing on the petty crap.

Simply because you hold the opinion that people shouldn't give a shit about wildly important subjects in proving truth or not doesn't mean everyone else who doesn't is in the wrong. If people just didn't "get too focused on trying to prove a point" we wouldn't have half of the things we have in our life today. It is this slacker mentality that promotes inefficient, lackadaisical, and lethargic living principles that lead to no cultural or societal progression at all. If humanity as a whole lived by the premise that you stated in this subject we'd still be enslaving people because of their skin pigment and seeing women as lesser beings.

Maybe you hear and argument and go back to the previous mind-set, but most critical thinking people take an argument into consideration and revise their opinions based upon what is truthful. If you seriously just see an argument that could potential fell a belief that you hold and simply disregard it then you are living in a pool of ignorance and I abhor you. Trying to find out if what you believe is right or wrong is the farthest thing from "petty crap" in the world..

For somebody supporting the argument that science IS subjective, they would probably claim evolution was influenced by Darwin's atheistic belief. But, like Crysis said, you can test science to make sure it's correct.

Lol Enf...Argument is healthy.

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History is subjective though.

For somebody supporting the argument that science IS subjective, they would probably claim evolution was influenced by Darwin's atheistic belief. But, like Crysis said, you can test science to make sure it's correct.

Lol Enf...Argument is healthy.

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History is subjective though.

[Babylon]

Originally Posted by Dean

For somebody supporting the argument that science IS subjective, they would probably claim evolution was influenced by Darwin's atheistic belief. But, like Crysis said, you can test science to make sure it's correct.

Lol Enf...Argument is healthy.

Charles Darwin was a christian, he was studying in the Church of England under Anglican theology to become a Clergyman, actually. He absolutely hated the fact that he found the evidence for evolution because it shook his belief so much, and essentially disproved the existence of the biblical creation accounts. After he founded the basic premises for evolution he became somewhat deistic (believing in a god, but not a specific one) then later moved on to Atheism.

But I'm very sure some science is subjective, it would be absolutely insane of me to state that science is foolproof and absent of ignorance by some. What is unfounded is saying that common laws/scientific principles that have been accepted by millions and tested by tens of thousands are subjective, as if they were they would have been ruled out by the subjectivity fallacy within scientific discoveries.

[Babylon]

Originally Posted by Dean

For somebody supporting the argument that science IS subjective, they would probably claim evolution was influenced by Darwin's atheistic belief. But, like Crysis said, you can test science to make sure it's correct.

Lol Enf...Argument is healthy.

Charles Darwin was a christian, he was studying in the Church of England under Anglican theology to become a Clergyman, actually. He absolutely hated the fact that he found the evidence for evolution because it shook his belief so much, and essentially disproved the existence of the biblical creation accounts. After he founded the basic premises for evolution he became somewhat deistic (believing in a god, but not a specific one) then later moved on to Atheism.

But I'm very sure some science is subjective, it would be absolutely insane of me to state that science is foolproof and absent of ignorance by some. What is unfounded is saying that common laws/scientific principles that have been accepted by millions and tested by tens of thousands are subjective, as if they were they would have been ruled out by the subjectivity fallacy within scientific discoveries.

Notice I said "People" waste too much time bickering over petty crap. When I say people, I mean the average citizen, I.E, you and me. Are we scientists? You completely misconstrued the whole point I was getting at. Scientists have the right to bicker, because THEY make the change. But your average 9-5, I.E, you and me, don't. Also go back to my first point, I love science and find the idea behind religion interesting because I look to expand myself. THAT'S the whole point. People shouldn't fight a war when no one benefits. You telling a Christian religion is wrong, even with backing it with scientific fact is going to change his mind-set. And vice-versa. The point is the AVERAGE person should be focused on expanding themselves, opening their minds to things they normally wouldn't and being more complete as an individual. NOT arguing of "petty crap" that they will have no impact on. Leave that to the scientists that will have the impact. Wasting so much time looking at how others live we don't even look at ourselves.

Notice I said "People" waste too much time bickering over petty crap. When I say people, I mean the average citizen, I.E, you and me. Are we scientists? You completely misconstrued the whole point I was getting at. Scientists have the right to bicker, because THEY make the change. But your average 9-5, I.E, you and me, don't. Also go back to my first point, I love science and find the idea behind religion interesting because I look to expand myself. THAT'S the whole point. People shouldn't fight a war when no one benefits. You telling a Christian religion is wrong, even with backing it with scientific fact is going to change his mind-set. And vice-versa. The point is the AVERAGE person should be focused on expanding themselves, opening their minds to things they normally wouldn't and being more complete as an individual. NOT arguing of "petty crap" that they will have no impact on. Leave that to the scientists that will have the impact. Wasting so much time looking at how others live we don't even look at ourselves.