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Originally Posted by Informer

I agree that it's unfair to compare in some regards. Like it's unfair to compare Scientific or MJ's skillset to Fidel Z, cause Fidel is much better. But those two can't be disregarded as legends because of their timeline and how it was then.

That being said, when people discuss UA, Jason, DaDDiO, Askari etc. they often don't do this. You can read their best battles now and still say "Man that's dope". People often read with the intention of disliking the verse, and for example almost everyone things their opponent's verse sucked because they read it with those kind of eyes. But if you allowed yourself to read things openly, someone like UA was delivering hard hitting punchlines cleanly, and that's all that mattered. It's true that it's more difficult to come up with fresh concepts now because a lot of stuff is played, so perhaps a likewise accomplishment these days deserves more credit, but there's very few people here now putting together the streaks some of those other guys were against the level of competition they were.

I agree with you to a certain extent.

Back then in their time, the concepts they used were fresh back then. The same concepts got played over the course of years. So now, in 2017, obviously if you go back and read their verses, itll sound played and basic to someone like Shodan. I remember when UA dropped the Ovary Action/Over reaction wordplay and the site went bonkers over that back then. You drop that shit now and youll get laughed at for dropping played stuff.

Only certain people are able to drop timeless verses. Like Daddio and Jason. Their concepts which they used back in 2008-2012 would still make jaws drop. UA basically had the basics down to a T and thats what matters. He didnt overcomplicate shit for no reason and delivered the punch cleanly. His concepts might not necessarily be timeless but you could learn a lot from him when it comes to execution and wording of a bar.

perhaps a likewise accomplishment these days deserves more credit

Eh not exactly. Concepts are basically or mostly formed around current events happening around the world. Obviously even now, there are mad events that a battler could reference to and make a dope concept out of it. Its the same as back in 2008-2010.

[captchabarz]

Originally Posted by Informer

I agree that it's unfair to compare in some regards. Like it's unfair to compare Scientific or MJ's skillset to Fidel Z, cause Fidel is much better. But those two can't be disregarded as legends because of their timeline and how it was then.

That being said, when people discuss UA, Jason, DaDDiO, Askari etc. they often don't do this. You can read their best battles now and still say "Man that's dope". People often read with the intention of disliking the verse, and for example almost everyone things their opponent's verse sucked because they read it with those kind of eyes. But if you allowed yourself to read things openly, someone like UA was delivering hard hitting punchlines cleanly, and that's all that mattered. It's true that it's more difficult to come up with fresh concepts now because a lot of stuff is played, so perhaps a likewise accomplishment these days deserves more credit, but there's very few people here now putting together the streaks some of those other guys were against the level of competition they were.

I agree with you to a certain extent.

Back then in their time, the concepts they used were fresh back then. The same concepts got played over the course of years. So now, in 2017, obviously if you go back and read their verses, itll sound played and basic to someone like Shodan. I remember when UA dropped the Ovary Action/Over reaction wordplay and the site went bonkers over that back then. You drop that shit now and youll get laughed at for dropping played stuff.

Only certain people are able to drop timeless verses. Like Daddio and Jason. Their concepts which they used back in 2008-2012 would still make jaws drop. UA basically had the basics down to a T and thats what matters. He didnt overcomplicate shit for no reason and delivered the punch cleanly. His concepts might not necessarily be timeless but you could learn a lot from him when it comes to execution and wording of a bar.

perhaps a likewise accomplishment these days deserves more credit

Eh not exactly. Concepts are basically or mostly formed around current events happening around the world. Obviously even now, there are mad events that a battler could reference to and make a dope concept out of it. Its the same as back in 2008-2010.