Originally Posted by ViTRiOL

I realise that abortion is still illegal in Ireland but due to the religious residual that still plagues the country, not for any reasons regarding human rights matters. Sexual protection isn't taught nor encouraged in education either so it's still a Catholic dogfight over there. I'm bearing this in mind.

Also Dave, you said you're opposed to depression and that it is simply a state of wallowing or self-pity. That was completely false hence why I explained the difference between depression and pitying oneself.

Abortion is illegal but sexual education is in no way hindered by Catholicism. The country is VERY lowly ran by religion these days.

I don't understand depression though. It's like someone speaking to me in Swahili. I don't get how you can't just do something you enjoy to change things around.

Originally Posted by ViTRiOL

Taking into account the hypothetical upbringing of the child of an unwanted pregnancy isn't a cop-out, it's far less shortsighted that what you are proposing. You're making it sound as if adoption is a simple procedure but it isn't. There are so many abandoned children in the world stuck in orphanages and fostering homes, I believe that adopting a child is probably a more proficient action to take over conceiving a child yet on top of that, I believe abortion is a more proficient action to take over an adoption scenario regarding an unwanted pregnancy.

And are the well cared for children in orphanages not worth being born? Is the life of a child really as expendable as "Yeah, adoptions a bit of an annoying process, fuck it, who cares about the child". Getting pregnant, or getting someone pregnant, is a fairly huge mistake to make. In my opinion, the consequences of such a mistake should be having to find a suitable way for the child to be cared for, and if that's not from you then it should be from adoption.

Originally Posted by ViTRiOL

I think you have a lot of bias and a distinct lack of empathy. My philosophy is that we think about the rights of the conscious individual first and foremost alongside the potential sociological factors a child may be affected by in a life that has orphanhood as its foundation.

I don't have empathy. Why would I have empathy for someone who has sex and as a result gets pregnant? I'm omitting cases of rape or serious medical concerns deliberately as they bring up much clearer options. But if you're just too selfish to at least sort out care for a child, whom will have an excellent chance of enjoying their life, then you shouldn't have the womb to house the child in the first place.

Originally Posted by ViTRiOL

I realise that abortion is still illegal in Ireland but due to the religious residual that still plagues the country, not for any reasons regarding human rights matters. Sexual protection isn't taught nor encouraged in education either so it's still a Catholic dogfight over there. I'm bearing this in mind.

Also Dave, you said you're opposed to depression and that it is simply a state of wallowing or self-pity. That was completely false hence why I explained the difference between depression and pitying oneself.

Abortion is illegal but sexual education is in no way hindered by Catholicism. The country is VERY lowly ran by religion these days.

I don't understand depression though. It's like someone speaking to me in Swahili. I don't get how you can't just do something you enjoy to change things around.

Originally Posted by ViTRiOL

Taking into account the hypothetical upbringing of the child of an unwanted pregnancy isn't a cop-out, it's far less shortsighted that what you are proposing. You're making it sound as if adoption is a simple procedure but it isn't. There are so many abandoned children in the world stuck in orphanages and fostering homes, I believe that adopting a child is probably a more proficient action to take over conceiving a child yet on top of that, I believe abortion is a more proficient action to take over an adoption scenario regarding an unwanted pregnancy.

And are the well cared for children in orphanages not worth being born? Is the life of a child really as expendable as "Yeah, adoptions a bit of an annoying process, fuck it, who cares about the child". Getting pregnant, or getting someone pregnant, is a fairly huge mistake to make. In my opinion, the consequences of such a mistake should be having to find a suitable way for the child to be cared for, and if that's not from you then it should be from adoption.

Originally Posted by ViTRiOL

I think you have a lot of bias and a distinct lack of empathy. My philosophy is that we think about the rights of the conscious individual first and foremost alongside the potential sociological factors a child may be affected by in a life that has orphanhood as its foundation.

I don't have empathy. Why would I have empathy for someone who has sex and as a result gets pregnant? I'm omitting cases of rape or serious medical concerns deliberately as they bring up much clearer options. But if you're just too selfish to at least sort out care for a child, whom will have an excellent chance of enjoying their life, then you shouldn't have the womb to house the child in the first place.