PMs/DMs for Votes
 

Second.

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Is the funniest shit I've heard a mod say. Ever

I 100% disagree with this. Dude to the fact that promoting matters, it does. Especially on an already dead site like lb come on man. Obviously I've never been with the go vote for me shit, but I've never had an issue with hago drop a fair vote. And I would even encourage my opponent to ask for fair votes as well numbers matter the more you get the more accurate it's going to be simply put.
But that's just my two cents.

So you can't pm someone just the link and nothing else? It's not like you're asking them to vote for you that way.

I was sent a link recently but ended up voting for the other guy and thought all was fair.

I said you could promote. I listed three ways that you could promote, to a very broad audience. Are you disagreeing that linking your battle to the entire site so hundreds of people can potentially vote, will get you fewer votes than sending a link to one person? I said that promoting to one specific person, directly, is not okay. That is a form of swaying, as that person you messaged is getting a link from one battler and may feel, even the slightest bit, biased toward the battler they got the link from. Advertising to the entire site is encouraged, and is more fair for both battlers.

See above. If you want votes on a battle, share the link with everyone in the Chat Box or on Discord. If it's your new track or whatever I don't give a fuck. PM as many people as you want. This is battle-specific.

Alright in that case I won't ever PM anyone about a battle ever again. I showed Rowdy and Odinn on discord my one battle prior to reading this but I'm going to stop doing that now.

My apologies.

This is true. Me, personally, I don't pm/dm for votes, but when I addressed the issue nothing was said or done about it???

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My point exactly. Only when it happens to them is when it's really a major concern smh

A fourth option I’ve seen other servers do if we are going to use the LB Discord can we have a text channel strictly for promo’s.
Not everyone checks the forums. It’s possible to miss battles on the chat and we know people on the general LB discord does not vote on every battle. There’s no cookie cutter solution for sure but could be a viable option. Disregard if someone already touched base on this.

Telling people they can’t vote or blocking them from voting because “they always vote for you” is lame. Does that mean they get to go through all of your battles, see who votes for you every time, and also block them/tell them not to vote?

Nah, I don’t like the precedence that sets, and it’s a shady way to suppress/control the voting.

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So why only block their votes against Phroxen? If they’re so shady to you wouldn’t you have rejected their votes for every round and not just the rounds you felt would be closer/more competitive?

Just for the record I’ve asked them not to vote on a few occasions before this.

Yeah for battles where the skill levels are more even and the risk of losing is higher, is when you decide certain people shouldn’t be allowed to vote. Against someone like peaceOFFICER tho? Everyone is welcome to vote

It’s not like you’re breaking the rules, and youre not the only one to do it, but it’s just an aspect of voting on this site that I personally hate.

Well this thread has stirred up the hornets nest. ������ And ������..we all should just start voting more period to clear the battles out..even if there shitty battles or not. If you gonna battle, vote back and just don't play favorites..even the best lose sometimes too..I usually always vote for bnas but that's because he battles garbage ass people, so if course he's gonna win every time. I voted against him a week ago cause his multis were weird and used words I had no idea what he meant..as an example.itbseems people only vote when the battles are semi good or ������..no voting doesn't help the site at all, so just participate more.. besides if people are reading or listening to battles then what the hell are people doing when they long in
..I personally go straight to the chat to see if it's spicy and entertaining goin on..if not I check out battles and try to give feed back to the best of my ability. So what if you are no longer can send links through messages now..promote how phroxen said.. people will probably get more views and votes that way..but then again there's always gonna be buddy votes.. example the last 5 or battles bnas dropped, different child pops in and votes..he don't ever vote on any other battles notlr log in often..that's buddy voting. And there's always gonna be hate voting and uneducated votes for people..even if there is a block button to use.i lost to concise for both those reasons.but I'm here for fun cause it's entertaining. shout out to concise though cause it's all good l..flako out

@Flako Boom that's why I feel like there should only be a determined select number of voters each month to vote on every battle that takes place. I'm not sure who would have the grit and grind to do that (I would if there was an incentive) but it's something to think about because I'm sure this would steer the site in a better direction. Maybe it wouldn't solve all the issues but we wouldn't have random noob voters or mods overturning the battles and wins would be fair and square

Yeah or maybe provide a training course on how to vote on battles..what to look for in battles on a basic fundamental way.. maybe use last battles as examples..it could get taken place in the discord.be like battle rap training course on how to properly vote. And kinda explain the difference between why this structure or line or multis or wp didn't really work in battle :hmm:

I always vote for the person that sends me links to their battles.

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If someone asks me to vote on their battle and I vote against them cuz the other person won imo then I don't care if the person that asked me to vote ends up voting against me. This is the real problem.

@Flako Boom that is a good idea, too. Yeah in most cases that seems to be the case. That's where the block option comes into play. Don't gotta take away pm'ing/dm'ing for votes as a whole although I am against it as well as it was an infraction back in the glory days, but that's how some ppl gain their shine. It's kind of unfair to the battlers that don't do that and have to sit and wait for their battles to close, but it's really on them because they have (well, had) that option

Na… just in batttles Vs staff…


Crew can’t vote in crew battles…

Same shit with staff…. Shouldn’t vote in other staff battles. I asked Student a while back not to vote on any of my battles, but u wouldn’t see that as I asked him privately cos I didn’t wanna make a big deal from it. But I agree with u, votings fucked currently.

I feel like the loop-hole/bypass in this is posting your battle's link in the chatbox, then pm'ing people to peep the chatbox lol. Should make that against the rules too

Lol.

“Yo peep chat now, someone posted yo mommas titties”…. Sure fire way to get them to check it. Hahaha

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#ErikForMod


Anyway... this isn't a negotiable situation. @Phroxen has informed everyone of the new (or rather old) way in which sending battle links privately to people will be viewed as cheating. He has also stated the ways in which peeple may promote their battles.

This is how things will be from the time of his post, moving forward.

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No problem with that

Can we request

1: Staff don’t vote in each others battles
2: you don’t change any VP while battles are open where someone has voted
3: you don’t delete votes once a battles closed


Think that’s fair enough?

Well your Discord PMs to me clearly show you have a problem with not being able to ask people privately for votes on battles...

1)
Staff may agree to not vote on a members battles, though they can vote if they wish or, if the other person in the battle has asked them to. Staff may also vote on another Staff members battle.

2)
It is clear that some members still aren't fully grasping the basics of VP and how it works. Lets try and clear this up; The VP that a person has when voting is the only VP that will affect the outcome of the battle. If their VP is changed after they have voted, the previous VP they had when voting is still in place on the battle and won't change to the newly changed VP. Their new VP level will only come into play when they vote on another battle. Hope this helps clear this portion up that so many seem to Still have trouble with.

3)
Staff reserve the right to adjust battles when & where necessary.; ie: in case of members cheating, multi accounts, spamming etc etc.. as sometimes these fall under the radar and aren't noticed by staff or brought to staff's attention until some time after a battle has closed.

As staff yall close, same as crew … crew can’t vote for crew… staff shouldn’t vote for staff either. Just my opinion, that’s shared by a lot of others too. I’m all for making shit fairer like phro said, but y’all need to listen to the site as well as ur own suggestions. No disrespect intended, changes for the better suit everyone

This shit touches nerves when these posts drop....������

Pro tip: Dont Write and Spit Dumpster juice...And Body!!

you'll get votes plenty of views, and aint got worry about shit...even a hate vote...

Your All Welcome!!

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lol.. we ain't close & we definitely ain't crew.. and we've each voted against one another plentifully. Student rarely gets my vote, Odin rarely battles, Odin helped your Scheme win.. Student is back and forth with votes for you & me.. and I could give a fuck about either of their crews or alias crews. I dunno what you were trying to accomplish there. Saying all Staff is crew is like saying everyone with *insert specific name color for their titles* are all crew. Nonsense.

It’s cool. Odin said we can request for staff not to vote in battles. I’m fine with that, I’ll request staff don’t vote in mine from now, regardless who the battles against.

I’m going to request that staff always vote on my battles regardless of what the other person requested. Thank you

Yes you may request it... doesn't mean it will happen.

^This is my Original Point. There are two people in a battle. One doesn't reserve the right to dictate who votes and who doesn't on the battle...

Well it did in my battle with Concise as well has half the votes being deleted. That’s the whole reason I’m requesting it. And as for ur point above, the block feature does allow one person to do that, u being staff shouldn’t change that option.

Boy this a dilemma lol

I'm cool with w/e tho if I want more people to check out my battle I'll just post it in the chatbox or the discord

I'll add my 2 cents...
While I agree with the reasoning behind this (that there's no need to message people directly because you can do it publicly in forums, chatbox, or discord, and dm's have the potential to sway), I don't think it's a proper rule because it's practically unenforceable. How exactly are you going to prove that someone has pm'ed someone else for a vote? A screenshot that can be photoshopped? A forwarded PM that can be edited? Maybe I'm missing something, but as far as I know, the only staff members that can read PM's are superadmins (Pseudo and X). Access to reading arrowchat messages can be granted to any staff member, but it's probably not a good idea if they did so because of privacy issues that can raise. There are ways that an admin can enter someone's account and read their PM's, but they're not supposed to, and doing so can open the site to legal repercussions. If I were you guys, I'd stick to only making rules you can actually enforce properly because you have the tools and access to ascertain.

These are all really good points ngl. Tbh I'm not 100% sure how this rule would be properly enforced either. Until further notice, however, we'll try to enforce this rule anyhow unless a better resolution for this issue can be created.

So you gonna enforce yaself? Smh

As soon as I became aware of this being a rule I stopped doing it.

Simpleton...

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No I got the joke I thought it was funny lol

I get the sentiment behind this, obvi this isn't exactly enforceable @NOBLE but I think of it more like a PSA:
Don't be sneaky bitches and vote for your "friends" n shit, just vote for who had the better verse, easy enough.


I feel like the MAJORITY of y'all do but there's a few who drop vague expos and have a pattern, those are who this is for, you're not that slick and this isn't that serious, you've been warned.

What the Head Mod said ^

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