Do Some Have Too Much Vote Power?
 

So, what is really going on with the vote power here? For those that don't know, Ricky Lahey just dropped out of the tournament, and pretty much gave the reason that a lot of people seem to have an issue with but choose to stay silent about.

I understand the need for vote power adjustments...however, are there some members here that have too much vote power?

Mods/FVC have 4vp, everyone else has 2vp.

Typically I argued against this but from my knowledge we don't have bums as mods/FVC right now.

Absolutely not. Every one of these members with increased voting power has it for a reason. They have good experience/knowledge in battling and voting.

Esso (Established battler and great voter) 4VP
Lockhart (Established battler, former multiple time FVC king, great voter) 4VP
Kiwi Peewee (Established battler, great breakdowns and voting) 4VP

GOOD GRIEF (Established battler and great voter) 3VP
Fidel Z (Established battler, former FVC and great voter) 3VP
Shodan (Established battler, former FVC king and great voting breakdowns) 3VP

No. Noobs don’t understand bars, something has to make up for that. Noobs vote for noobs.

THIS, everyone else has 2-0VP, it's not like there's a huge range like before. It used to be 10VP for Staff and everyone else below that.

The problem is most of vets and established battlers, and FVC....are NOT Voting..

So here's my issue...I believe the highest should be 3, and the lowest should be 0.

Staff/FVC - 3
Exceptional Voters - 2
Poor Voters -1
Infracted/Cheating Voters - 0

I say this because while staff and FVC do have a case for having more of an influence on battles, I do NOT agree with one vote swaying the entire course of one. I'm not arguing if staff/FVC should have higher VP. My argument is it might be too high.

Ricky Lahey left the Scheme Tourney signups because he believes whoever the best friend of the mods will win anyway. That sounds more like the same half ass crybaby complaints about bias and favoritism than it does a legit criticism of how VP works.

Where was my fucking favoritism last week? I guess Kiwi and Lock must be best friends with Eth if that’s how things work. And if that’s the case, fuck y’all...you’re off my Xmas card list.

Valid points here. In its entirety, I feel like vote power has been an issue for a while, which is why it repeatedly gets brought up again...and again...and again.... Let me clarify, it's not that the wrong people have higher vote power. It's that the vote power itself is too high.

Ricky's point is "favoritism wins battles." This statement within itself is true. We all know it. We all know that "higher-ups" tend to vote certain ways that most would call questionable. That's always been an issue, and always will be. So I'm not addressing that.

What I am addressing is, how about we propose lowering the maximum vote power that we can have? That way, even if these votes do take place (and we all know they do take place) they aren't powerful enough to single-handedly change the outcome of the entire battle.

If "higher up" get votes they shouldn't, drop me some examples of times that this happen and I'll give my thoughts.

But all I'm seeing is Kiwi beating Shodan or me beating Esso. Squammy brought Esso to one vote and he used a "gas" line. Punk just battered one of the best to ever do it in audio. I'm seeing more evidence to the contrary so you'll need clear cut examples.

3 gas station lines....but who’s counting?

Tbh, I’m with the Champ here. The mods got bounced pretty early out the GC and in the one bar tournament we had two guys with no titles in the finals. If there are examples you have of this favoritism, make a post and link em up. Bias and favoritism have been talked about for so long but there’s not really been anyone who ever brought some legit evidence of it to the table.

As far as VP goes, I can’t remember anyone complaining about a vote ever from almost any of the 6 other people with 4VP besides maybe Shodan, which I get because his explanations are harsh and a bit different but I don’t think anyone can disagree that he’s thorough, fair, and educated. So again, I guess I’d like to see examples where these few people are legitimately costing people wins.

We’ve gone through all this before but it will just keep going in circles if you don’t have specific examples.

This isn't a callout thread. It's just a discussion thread.

But since a few things were brought up, I can clarify. I don't believe it's a "post what battle you're talking about" type of thing. What I'm referring to has been going on for a while and there's a mountain of evidence. If Esso and I battled and he had 6 votes to my 2, I shouldn't win. That's a simple concept that I don't need to post links about because we've ALL seen this happen countless times over and over again.

About the last one-bar tournament...let's be honest...Kiwi isn't known as a strong or top-tier battler, and Rai got bounced for cheating. So those cases aren't strong ones @Esso.

As mentioned before, this isn't a callout thread...I just really think some people have too much influence over a battle.

Saiyan what you're doing is saying "It's a known thing that the higher ups get favourable votes" but I wanna see the evidence to support it.

I get you on the 6-2, but if that 6 is from Bnas, Ricky Lahey, Lizman etc. then maybe you shouldn't win. Right now Biz Vs Detri has 3 votes. If everyone had similar VP, Bnas could effect that outcome. I only beat Esso by 2vp. Thats Bnas and Ricky. That shit's not fair you know?

"Kiwi isn't known as a strong or top tier battler"....yet he beat Shodan for the LBT title.

How many times are we gonna have discussion threads about unfair voting practices without providing examples? If you’re looking for change, you’re going to need to show what’s wrong. If 6-2 is happening countless times over and over again as you say, you should be able to link a bunch of them. I’m not seeing a lot of that happen so if you are, I’d like to know about it as I’m sure the rest of the staff would too. If this is truly an issue that affects the site broadly and often, it needs to be dealt with.

But man, don’t do this ‘I’m not calling anyone out’ thing. Discussion threads without actual facts to discuss is pretty much just called bitching. Just saying.

Both of you might be right. Providing examples might be better but I have a bad history of bringing up situations and people all of a sudden turning into a roast mob on me lol so y'all got it. The point wasn't to call anyone out but since I'm being pushed to I'd rather just close the thread.

Because I've stated over and over I do believe the right people have elevated power, but the power is a bit too much in my opinion. I shouldn't have to post examples for us to have that kind of discussion.