Letsbeef Hall Of Fame
 

There's recently been a lot of talk around the Hall of Fame on Letsbeef, and it seems to me that a lot of users feel it needs some sort of change or overhaul. To that end I am writing this thread with some ideas I have had. Since the only thing that makes the HOF worth anything is whether the users respect it, I want to get everybody's thoughts before changing anything, and to make sure that there is site-wide consensus and understanding. Please feel free to share whatever ideas or thoughts you have too.

I've tagged in the thread users who I think may be invested in the topic.

1. Updates

A lot of the HOF induction pages are out of date, for instance battlers have come back, won titles, and had major accomplishments since their induction (i.e. All-Boro). This could either be remedied by editing the existing content of their induction pages to include it, or by adding a new section at the end of every HOF page which gave an account of the battler's activity and accomplishments since being inducted.

2. "Impact" Hall of Fame

A few people, most recently @EtH and Dono, have been nominated to the Hall Of Fame despite there not really being a category that fits them. Would it be worth creating another branch of the hall of fame, that functioned essentially as a "miscellaneous HOF", for users whose legacy didn't fit into just specifically text battling, audio battling or track making? Other plausible candidates could include @NOBLE and @Godbody. I'm particularly interested to know people's thoughts on this, and whether anyone can come up with a more fitting name.

3. Nominations

There seems to be a great deal of confusion over the nomination process itself. There is actually a relatively straightforward, if not-at-all-transparent, mechanism outlined here, however it requires @RULE to be active to process every nomination which unfortunately can't be the case forever. I think it might be time to come up with a better process to handle nominations. Purely having it down to a poll is not workable because of the extent that cheating and trolling often affect those polls, and because HOF is not a popularity contest. However, I think it's very important that the users have ultimate power over the inductions because it is their respect which makes the HOF valid.

I understand that @RULE is in charge of the HOF and I really don't want to go stepping on any toes or anything here, but there's been a lot of nominations and discussion and agitation around this and I'd rather it happened with an eye to how we can improve things, rather than being bogged down in the merits of EtH's coaching or Rain's opinions or the general malaise of "the HOF is a joke so who cares anyway".

All those names need to be HOFed plus i dnt even know how Godbody/NOBLE ain't HOF yet too coz i 'm just a noob and i still know of them cnt say that for other dudes who are as old as em tbh.

Tbh I completely lost interest in the HOF after the recent spate of threads. The bar has been lowered to the point it's ridiculous and many of you are voting in people you have had absolutely no interaction with. The HOF is going to end up like LB Patriarchy, meaningless. Which is sad because that's not at all what was intended by it.

I agree with the OP.

Nicholas, why do you act like inducting Eth or Mr Goodness takes away from other HOF?

You can literally look under someone's username and see all the titles they've racked up. You'll look under EtHs name and see he has none

So anyone would be able to peep the HOF and see what's what. Who accomplished what. They'd obviously never look at EtH, MG, or even myself in the same light as someone with 3 titles

Also LB probably won't be around in 4-5 years, so why not.

Because it lowers the standard of admission, and whenever you do that you're going to make the title less sought after.

This should be obvious to you as someone that's interested in business. It's basic premium positioning. It's why Supreme sells out in minutes and has a higher reselling value and Nike doesn't.

What are we trying to achieve here? Everyone's always harping on about "saving the site" - is that what you're trying to do? Or is it time to just fuck around whilst it's still alive? Because if it's the latter then why not just give everyone titles.

Bro where have you been

We've been 'saving the site' since 2010 and X just addressed that he aint really got grandiose plans for this joint because he's running shit out of his own pocket and fixing what he can.

And there's no way you're talking business in regards to a failing/flopping website. That goes completely out of the window by this point. Stop pretending you'll log one day and see 200 heads on like the old days...Those days are gone forever bro


You take HOF entirely too seriously tbh

Posted this as a response in manny nomination thread but I'm reposting it here because its relevant to the conversation and expresses my feelings pretty well.

You say that hall of fame is "a coveted, very serious thing everywhere else on earth" but you cant compare this to major league baseball's HoF or NFLs HoF. This is more comparable to the LARPing hall of fame. Stop taking yourselves so seriously. All this "if so and so gets into the HoF how can we expect new people to take the site seriously" is ridiculous. There are no new people. And if there were, they could give a shit about the HoF. You guys that a that are treating this like it's a real serious affront to your sensibilities need to find a second source of fulfillment. We are battle rapping (lots of yall strictly as "textcees") online. It's almost as nerdy as LARPing. Or playing WoW all day. Look at Shodan for instance (no offence) but a fucking Brony came in here named Rainbowdash with a pony avatar and he is I the same class or better than most of you complaining about the HoF. Get over your fuckin selves. You're all a bunch of nerds. Myself included.

I definitely think there should be some sort of recognition for "Notable Members" that have had a site wide impact over the course of many years. There would need to be some sort of minimum year active requirement though imo, so guys like EtH, Noble, Pulse etc, that have been around to see multiple eras of the site, all while maintaining relevancy and presence in the forums and on the site through its entirety.

With that said we would need to comb through the forums and figure out who would be worthy of a Notable Member/Forum HoF type of award if it were to be iterated.

This is a good idea. If after their HOF write up, they've came back and/or gone on to achieve more noteworthy accolades then their write ups should be adjusted to reflect those achievements.

Yes. There should be a HOF'er category or 'status' also available for those who may not be the top in a certain battle field/track field but have yet contributed a lot to the site over the years they've been present. The impact they've made and so on.

In the case of Dono, i feel he ins't so much in this "category" as he's countless titles and has achieved enough as it is in those respected fields to be a HOF'er. He is a HOF'er, defo.

This is a tricky one. @RULE's done a bang up job with the HOF'er shit... though i don't think staff should have to sit around and wait on another member of staff to return in order to maintain and keep the site running. If/when RULE comes back, if there's anything 'a miss' with the HOF write ups etc he can adjust them accordingly.

as far as the HOF thing goes i think RILE got more pull there since folks from way too many eras know him the best and he can tap on that rapport along with his own experience for the best feedbacks as well

@Nicholas is jealous

the unfortunate thing now is because of all the bitching about why certain people ',shouldnt be in the HOF', when those people in question, do recieve it, they may or may not feel that its somehow tainted, or given to them begrudgingly.or on more extreme circumstances, out of pity.. in order for anything to move forward or improve , adaptation, and change is a key element . if there is a new prerequisite to include members who have made such a huge impact for the site that could be viewed as transcending thru multiple eras, then that shit in of itself is FAME worthy.. just imo.

Thats a fact.

Change is not always bad but dudes are acting like we're gonna be throwing everybody in the HOF.

The entire site ignores anything about the Hall of Fame unless 1 person brings it up then its the biggest topic to speak on lol. Theres dudes from way way back who ain't even get inducted yet because the site is so out of the loop but thats basically the advantage the newly active members have over the older members. They can drop a "No" on everyone's nomination even though they missed out.

Guys like @Nicholas wants to keep the place stagnant but he barely battles, vote, don't participate in tournaments, the FVC, help people elevate, contribute ideas, etc. Just pops up here and there but wanna tell LB how LB should be ran. Hes forgetting that not too long ago he was "Finished Here" and left his mod duties out to hang.


But anyways, Whats the point of having key elements if you can't improve them?

Rod Thorn was inducted into the Basketball Hall of Fame for being a coach, not for his ball play.

Respect the site impacters or just keep quiet.

for once i completely agree with you

Yall are saying were just nominating our buddies, but in the same breath are saying no to people because you dont like em. Most people saying no to eth, would lose to him. But his nomination isnt really about his battles. If you dont think he was an influential member, like alot more than most, you're fooling yourself.

And like, that's only like a partial honor. Like hey nerd, you spent a sixth of your life making waves on a rap battle web site. Like, all the time and effort hes given to letsbeef. Give the kid something back.

"Tbh I completely lost interest in the HOF after the recent spate of threads."

Manhattan, Mr Goodness, Lockhart, Seul, Godbody, Eth, IlloKwent.

Are all recent "spate of threads"

You guys don't even appreciate the members who paved the way and built the platform yall currently log into. Yall aint got no respect for greatness.

I also feel like if nick or guts got the nomination they would be all welcoming. Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt it. Like if I were nominated, I wouldnt be like nah fuck that. That diminishes it's worth. I'd be all about it.

💯faqz

You lads are a fucking joke. I've been nominated like 5 times now. Godbody has nominated loads of people I disagreed with over the years. SUDDENLY these are so offensive that the HOF is ruined, even though no one you guys are offended by have even been inducted. Get your head our yet arse lads mon to fuck.

I honestly think what EtH’s hold up is is that he has TO effect.

He’s great in the eyes of some, but also a person who’s made many enemies over the years by his constant and unrelenting bullying, trolling, and overall demeanor of talking shit.

Clearly, there are less “talented” HOF’ers, but, how you treat people matters...and karma’s a bitch when it comes back to bite you in the ass like it is here. Since nobody else wants to say it, I will. Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, EtH (and probly Godbody) are the two most negative members in Letsbeef history, and the only difference between the two is God doesn’t bully and troll people on a nonstop basis like EtH does.

We might be fooling ourselves in saying his contributions aren’t HOF worthy, but if you think his way of treating people over the years is HOF worthy, then you’re fooling yourselves too.

I've always felt that the HoF process could be more systematic. I've never liked the fact that it seemed to be led primarily by nomination threads. Nomination threads should be a part of it, but should not be the primary basis of it. The issue with nomination threads is that, not only is it a popularity contest, it is skewed in favor of what is freshest in people's minds, and a lot of people's memories don't go back as far as is sometimes necessary to ensure that the right people make it into the Hall of Fame at the right time. What we need is a way of weighing HoF nominations against other HoF nominations. We should keep it only for battle related accomplishments. There are plenty of other ways to acknowledge people who have made an impact over the years. There are the LetsBeef Promoter, Forum Top Poster, Great Thinker, and Donor awards. We can even create a new award if we don't think some people quite fit into these. But battling is the site's core activity, and the Hall of Fame should reflect that.
If I were to overhaul the HoF process, I would first start by reducing it to either one or two per year for each category (text, audio, tracks) instead of one each month as the current schedule indicates.
We only have two grand championships each year but a new Hall of Famer is inducted each month? That basically makes it easier to get into the Hall of Fame than to win a grand championship in certain regards. It shouldn't be like that. The whole point of the HoF is that it is something to be coveted, so inductions should be a lot more rare.
How long candidates have been members and how long they were active should be a factor. I've seen some people inducted where, even though they deserved it or would've deserved it eventually, were inducted way before others who had accomplished similar things but who aren't fresh in the site's memory.
There should be a points system similar to the "Greatest of Champions" thread where points are given for each factor (battle accomplishments, length of membership, site impact, or whatever other factor we decide to add). Nomination threads can also earn someone points, but it shouldn't weigh more than those other factors. Then when it's time to induct the one or two people for that category that year, everyone who was nominated in the category should have their points weighed against each other before we decide who to nominate that year.

The 2020 HOF schedule is more "catching up on overdue HOF inductees" it legit ends in May.

A new HOFer isn't inducted each month lol.

Perfectly stated.

I see. I had assumed "TBC" for June, August , October, and December indicates they intend to induct people in those months but hadn't decided who yet.

noble said it best. nominations threads are a popularity contest. eth has friends now. let's look at what's he done since he been around in the past few years.

1. beat a washed up rai who wrote a pretty bad verse, and eths verse wasn't crazy either
2. tagged with lock and lost to a rule and rant verse that wasn't that strong.
3. make 100 threads trying to fuck with staff members and the owner of the site
4. start illmania 5 just to bail on it
5. deleted his account two or three times
6. posted personal information of other users 3 times.

i mean there's more but, this kind of spells it out for me. in general the spam of hof nominations is cool in some ways like, hey we appreciate you, and some deserved it like manny (if we lookin past the skizz drama) but it's also degrading the worth of the hof.

"dont take it serious, who cares, it's just a site"

ok so give me a gc title please. no biggie. i been trying hard as fuck for two years to elevate and y'all seen it so might as well just throw me a bone right? what? you won't? oh geez. stop taking it so serious nerds.

How you treat people should have nothing to do with getting into the Hall of Fame. It’s not the Hall of Respectable Gentlemen.

No. A Hall of Fame inductee is viewed based on his or her TOTAL body of work in all aspects. You know that.

With that being said, and while Guts made some very valid points I didn't wanna outline EtH's resume because this isn't a "Shame EtH thread." It's a healthy dialogue thread about the state of the HOF induction process.

It's just that EtH is the most recent and obviously controversial name to be brought up for consideration.

Guts didn't make a single valid point. He posted eths bully resume.

He completely left out anything dude has done to impact that site that's how you know this is personal.

Guts you're talking about what he's done for the past year but forgetting that you aint BEEN here for the past years. I think you started using in like 2018?

I agree with everything @NOBLE said.

i agree. but these guys been talking about how we shouldnt take into account battles and we should focus on 'site impact'

this is what he's done in the past two years. i'm just putting it out there.

Wow man seriously Gutz and Saiyan, you lads aren't cut out for this website. In 13 years i can genuinely say I've never heard people talk about getting bullied. I dunno what it is for you lads but you really need to evaluate whether you should be around here. This is a website where we try to insult each other as much as possible to win competitions. If you guys can't handle getting made fun of, maybe avoid it all together (or stop being such easy punching bags).

Lmao at Gutz trying to call my battling into question when the kids been ducking a freestyle for a year. The inbox is open so, if you wanna get bullied you know where I am.

Some of you keep on saying how it's a popularity contest. Keep on saying how easy it is to get into the HoF. You're clearly forgetting that RULE has been running the HoF and is extremely strict about who is let in/who isn't. Just because you're nominated doesn't guarantee you're inducted.

"The Hall Of Fame nomination polls are NOT a method for certain induction. The polls are used to gauge the sites feelings towards the nominee, and someone can easily score a 50-0 poll tally and still be rejected for induction. The poll is however a useful tool to see the general feelings of the sites members, and things such as crew/buddy voting as well as hate voting is clearly discernible due to the polls public nature.
Once a poll has reached a high number of votes either way, the Head of the Hall Of Fame: RULE, will then seek out the opinions of the sites most respected members before making a final verdict on whether or not the nominee in question has been successful."

I do want to know who these "most respected members" are that get the final say.

Lol this is cute.

As I stated before, this isn't an EtH shame thread, which is why I didn't outline all the ways in which you've hurt the site over the years. What I did do was co-sign some things Guts pointed out as points as to why he believes you're not HOF.

Those are his opinions, that, whether you or anyone wants to believe or not, are shared by many people here even if they don't publicly state it.

You're not in any position to say who is and who isn't built for this shit. Because if you really wanna get to the bottom of this, you know how to send 8 or 16.

Lol. He just called you out to send 16 in another thread.

It's called guts and eastin.

Ducking the thread, not even the battle

It's so many threads at this point I'm just sticking to one lol but if he wants to battle me, he can send. There's a bunch of people saying he doesn't fit HOF right now, so why he randomly chose me to tell to send is a mystery.

If he wants to battle, he can send. And if he wants to say who's built for Letsbeef or not, he can send. If not, he can continue to sit in his little pity party.

Like everybody before him, there was a poll. People voted and stated why they said yes or no. Tell him to get out his feelings, or send.

Some of ya'll have lost your goddamn minds caring way too much about virtual accolades on a site that probably won't exist in 5 years

I'm here for it though. And again, inducting so-and-so doesnt take away from what other HOFers have accomplished. All of their titles are LITERALLY under their username. They'll look at someone like EtH in the HOF and see he has no titles, but truth be told EtH has had a bigger impact on the site than some dudes that have 1-2 titles.

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This.. I was voted into the HOF by a huge margin in my thread, and never got inducted.

bro rule makes the choice himself. in the past every single HOF was chosen basically by rule, but at least rule had somewhat of a sense of accomplishment.