The Bnas situation
 

The reason I'm making this thread is that Bnas is a very well-known and active site user, and I will likely face countless questions and conspiracies over why he has been banned. To make sure everything is transparent, I am outlining everything here.

Bnas has a friend from Thunder Bay called DMK. DMK is a confirmed live battler. Bnas has previously logged onto DMK's account, and has been infracted for self-voting using this account previously. He was warned that any votes by this account on his battles would be considered self-voting several years ago. Recently, DMK returned to the site after not battling since about 2012 and dropped a large number of votes, including votes against people Bnas had just been found to have hate voted against, as well as voting for Bnas in 7 battles, including some that he was very close to losing.

After spending several days looking into the matter and making sure I had all the facts available, I decided to infract Bnas for self-voting, which carries a 30-point infraction. Bnas had 170 outstanding infraction points for previous offences, which meant he now had 200 infraction points. This leads to an automatic 6-month ban from the site. I have also banned DMK for 6 months as this is the correct procedure for a multi of a banned account.

WOOHOOO FUCKKKKKKK YEAHHHHHHHHHHN
@Kiwi Peewee is a world hero now.

The fact that bnas had over a thousand votes for the month lol

Scary stuff man

Aye, I never liked the lad anyways. Good to see ye make him walk the plank.

The other snipers are popping champagne. He’ll be missed. His vote on my latest battle is the most eloquent thing I’ve ever seen.

Lol Captain Wackbeird = EtH?


Kiwi IP Check His Ass

you got a lot of "ass chode stroking faggot" disses coming your way 6 months from now bro LMAO

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no thats brayne ded bro

Off topic but how do we discourage folks from becoming sniping junkies like that. I mean 90% of us got sniped as rookies which made us bettter, but doing it exclusivities as a vet is just so tasteless. Like you probably aren’t getting any better beating noobs and it low key looks cowardly after awhile.

I think open battles should count less toward season rankings. Also 16s and 32s should weigh more in rankings along with how the battle was rated overall

FAXXX !!! the ratings one recieves in battles should also count towards his or her rankings all time and seasonal both !!

I proposed getting rid of the flames the other day. These guys will only snipe noobs in order to keep them. Some of em flat out admit it. There should be no form of recognition whatsoever for that bullshit. In exchange for the flames, an interchangeable middleweight title would be an idea to get these snipers to actually battle each other. Maybe even a middleweight tournament where they don’t feel discouraged going against better competition. The FVC is about to get mod VP....maybe evaluating who belongs in those competitions could be something they’d do. Idk....just spinning my wheels here but I’m as sick of it as anyone.

I'm convinced Bnas didn't read half the shit he voted on and just looked at who had the longer rhyme schemes lol

he likes them longer ...

The new crop might ask questions but the old guard wont. Well known DMK and his brother are close to Bnas and that Bnas has a long rapsheet for underhand bullshit.

He should of been perminantly banned back in 2010.

This.

Bnas is a rican multi

This was definitely the appropriate response. When two people have shared login information or computers, it should be treated the same as self- voting. How fair would this place be if everyone got their real life friends or people they live with and share WiFi with to log into their separate LetsBeef accounts and vote for each other? Bnas and DMK should have known better because they have been warned and banned for doing the same thing years ago, so the ban is definitely justified. Great job @Kiwi Peewee!

I’d ask Row, but he’s not here to give an answer.

Bnas is a faggot and no one will miss him.

I was thinking he could do

Heavyweights: Title Holders / Vets

Light Heavyweights: People who don’t got titles yet, but are nearly heavyweights.

Middleweights: People who know what they’re doing, but not at the level where almost everything they make is a bar.

Lightweights: People who kind of know what they’re doing, but still don’t have a very good grasp on all aspects of rapping.

Featherweights: First five battles.

You could also combine featherweights with lightweights and middleweights with light heavyweights to create a mixweight system, and have it

Tier 1 (HW)
Tier 2 (LHW and MW)
Tier 3 (LW and FW).


I’ve been saying this since a year ago when I came here :high::high:


Matter of fact, if @RULE @Kiwi Peewee or @Rai will allow it, I can make an unofficial league to see how it turns out :monkey::monkey:

Besides the Bnas B.S

What if you did have 2 rappers in the same pad. They both getting banned?

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Just Curious as to how to this would be addressed

i think that would be like crew members voting for each other,..
if they don't vote for their fam, they good.. i have a few studios in my spot,makeshift ,This is where the "labels" do business.. if any of the rappers got on here and voted for me, i wouldn't necessarily know.. but, there is a chance that i could.

idk who battles him anyways.. his style is garbage, and he has so many wins..his audio is unbearable and he wins..something had to be up..

I wouldn't know how you know so much about Bnas considering that your account is new af, but anyways I'm not talking about voting for each other. I'm just saying that they in the same house on the same wifi network. How would this be addressed @Kiwi Peewee

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I got a homie that likes to rap and here n there he stops by the pad. What if he made an account here using my wifi network. Would I get banned for this?

It’s totally allowed to have multiple accounts from the same person, so of course it would also be fine for multiple people from the same address to have accounts. If both of them could verify that they were real, different people (for instance by audio battling) then they’d be able to battle each other but wouldn’t be able to vote on one another’s battles. You’d be warned the first time it happened and then face self-voting punishments after that. The same protocol is applied to people that have shared accounts in the past (such as Rican and Stalin).

yeah I understand the voting issue. I just wasn't sure what your seeing on your end. Like if you just see the houses wifi address or is it specifically one address per device. I don't know much about the whole rules of the website but I know enough lol. @Kiwi Peewee

im not new, just came back after a year,i thought you were new tbh..
been here since 2009..

if the I.p. is banned.. then i don't see an issue,also.. ban evasion is an extra penalty right?..it's nothing to get a Vpn or actually switch or Spoof your I.p... so the ban is superficial if he wants it bad enough.. he can just sign up with a phone..
from what it looks like..

computers have the same external Ip but a different internal one.. different port usage.. so it may be possible to access the site on a different laptop..

you only have 5 posts...I would think your the new one here lol, but that's besides the point. I was just curious as to how they go about banning someone that's connected to the same wifi address.

I know you can change Mac address and external i.p if desired lol. Once again, im curious.

From a staff member's perspective, it looks the same as self-voting with a multi account if they vote on each other's battles, so it's not allowed. Even if they don't live in the same house but happen to share the same computer once, from that moment their IP's are linked and they start looking like they might be the same person. Back in the day, a lot of people used to share login information with each other and people would end up being mistakenly banned for "self-voting" when they don't even live on the same continent. That's why we discourage sharing your login info with anyone. Even when it is in fact two different people who just happen to share the same Wi-Fi, it's still wrong for them to vote on each other's battles since they obviously know each other and that would be like buddy voting. It can be a clusterfuck trying to sift out who's really two different people and who's not, and the person being accused often has an incentive to lie and say that's just their buddy when it is in fact the same person. People used that excuse all the time when they got caught back in the day. Staff didn't have time to sift through all the clusterfuck so we just made it a policy to treat it the same. Whether you are the same person or two different people, if you have two accounts linked by IP or otherwise voting for each other's battles, it will be treated as self voting and both accounts will be banned.

Gotcha, Thanks for the clarification!

Oh right sorry I totally misunderstood your question lol

We wouldn't be able to tell who was who by IP, although we can track through other things like cookies. If there were 2 people with different devices in the same house and one was banned, if they logged onto the unbanned account using their own device we would spot it, if they logged on using the unbanned person's device and account we may not be able to tell. If this situation did arise though we would talk it through with the unbanned person and make sure that the banned person didn't have their login details, and if it looked like their account was being accessed by the other person anyway then we'd have to ban both of them for that time period.

So when are Stotty Pimpin & DABLOCK getting banned for self-voting?

What did u expect from a nigga with a cartoon for his avatar?

I'm not sure if you remember but we had a policy of not altering or issuing penalties on battles that are older than 1 year. If they did the same thing recently or if they come back and do it now, that would be a different story. Either way, it's up to the current staff if they want to continue that policy or if they want to pursue such cases.

this nigga sound like a shitty public defender

put respect on this mans name. best staff member of all time bro. lmao

its just a joke

Imagine him thinking he could actually get away with that. Did he really believe that no one would notice a damn thing? Wow.

Voting definately declined after Bnas Got Banned Lol


Bnas VS Lil Toby Bryant Is #1 Right Now , & Its Being Advertised On Top Of the Website ... Somebody Go Vote On My Battles & Take That Shit Down Lol

The fact that they have a ranking sysyem and it has guys like bnas as #1 all time and of the month 100% scares new members away

I mean hes actually dreadful and then you come on here like 'who the top dog?' See bnas and then go back to off brand battle sites because at least people that are good get some clout(niche but you get it)

Logging in seeing a guy being 10-0 and in first place battling all shitters is deff promoting sniping

Whole ranking and crew system should be revamped but i suppose its too late for that

So all hail bnas

Ask someone if they know the best letsbeef emcee most are not going name guys like erupt boro banks or any of the 'actual names' cause theres no way to know of them off the bat without being being in the in crowd anf will often mention the worst ones

On rapworlds.com it had rankings, but there were vet only battles. So you had to.... and keep in mind these rules were just made up by those that battled, you had to beat 3 vets in order to be a Vet. Then you can put in the rules of the battle Vet votes only. So, really u wanted to be a Vet as it had prestige, and yet it wasn't something you could snipe your way to. Not sure if it would work here or w.e. I just know that's how we did it, and the system worked pretty well.

This tho. @FiNAL WoRD waddup broseph,I'm surprised you even on this ish anymore.