We need SOME TYPE OF UPDATE NOW
 

I’m slightly hurt to see the site like it is right now. Every time I log in I’m the only one online man. We need something and we need something quick!

I firmly agree

This was the plan all along, to kill LB

You guys deserved much better. I wish it didn't have to end like this.

No they didn't. The community imploded

what you wanna see?

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its not letsbeefs job to give you stuff to do.. its a platform where you can make shit happen with your peers.. if the old community doesnt wanna be around its fine lb still gonna be here for who ever wanna make it their home..

thats my 2 cents... theres a lot you can do here if you get creative

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im always here to collab and promote yall music im doing a solid show for yall on the regular.. its not monetized just doint it for the love... im also down to battle and vote on your battles too get at me

The community is wrong. That right there is one of the biggest causes of LB's downward spiral over the last few months.

The site isn't treated like a business. It's treated like a pet project and you're just lucky they have the goodwill to pay for hosting. Don't like something? Fuck off then. Imagine how long any business would last with that attitude.

Agree This website is... like fuck nothing gets looked at much.. people don't do much.. people a busy an stuff yeah... but yo there should or could be more ppl online, normally there 5 max.

Not arguing it or anything but what I’m saying is, Ofc there’s tons of shit to do. I love that there is but all I’m saying is, the site was averaging between 10-15 guys online on the regular just months ago....... Now we’re averaging 1-2. And that’s not even a joke. I can screenshot me being the only person online as I’m typing this.

All I’m asking for is something small man.... More screenshots on what’s newly added to V4 since the last dev X posted. Something SMALL..

I’m basically trying to save this site with threads right now. I understand me complaining is annoying but it’s legit the only way I can get people to post on the site right now.

You say if the old members wanna leave then leave... How exactly does that work when you have no new members replacing them?

Give the community an update on the update.

That's part of the problem but the community itself is to blame as well. We let all types of new immature & shady characters run the site and got away from the traditions & standards that made this site have some grounding in reality. Which comes back to the people at the very top who put the dumbasses in charge and didn't see anything wrong with it

How did WE let immature and shady people run the site? The members don’t vote on who becomes staff, staff does....

The members are the ones who complain about staff.

This was suggested before X decided to kick everyone from the staff forums. He clearly hasn't delivered on it.

It's OK if the core fan base leave the site because when the new site is up people will flood in right? It's a comedy of errors. There is only one outcome here and that's the death of the site. It's unpreventable without a change in ownership, the void between where they need to be at and where they are at is just way too big to fill.

That's definitely another factor. Which is why I resigned from staff. I was overruled when it came to banning people that thought it was acceptable to interfere with people's offline lives.

EDIT:
Punk also has a point. I don't think the staff were dumb asses. Just unmotivated due to a lack of leadership. That leads to bad decisions.

Staff was corrupt. The few respectable staff members got shunned and left. Most of staff was way too new to the site to even be in the position of staff and that's how you know shit was going downhill. All our criteria and integrity has gone out the window over the years and this is the end result. It is on the community / members but mostly the ownership because they should ultimately be the ones with the vision for the site if it's going to succeed, even if they need someone to give them that vision they should have it and believe in it themselves. But none of you were really keeping the integrity intact you let a bunch of new heads take over and dictate what goes on the site without saying a peep about their inexperience or lack of maturity. And we had HVK in the position of FVC mod and he thinks shells / ninja turtle bars are fire in 2019... C'mon y'all, let's get real and take some accountability.

There’s no way the members should take blame by any measure. If the owners want an active site it’s their job to find active members. You can’t just go blaming the customers. If Popeyes chicken closed down because the place was filthy, or no one does systems check, count the money, you’d blame the customers?????

MOST of the guys you’re sitting here trying to put the blame on put in an extreme amount of work on LB. Hall of Famers, Tournament winners, Tournament runners, Tournament participants. I can’t explain enough. We’ve done our part for so many damn years and you dudes still blaming the members for shit. You think it’s the site members job to get other members involved with the site. No.... it’s the owners job. They’re supposed to advertise.

If LB was started as a new site a few days ago and got its first 3 members that registered, participated for a week then didn’t log back in. Do you blame the 3 members that the site is dead or do you blame the owners for letting 3 members sit an entire week without anyone else signing up?

I’m not taking a single fucking blame. I’m a customer that’s actually spent money on LB. I bought exclusive when it was a paid subscription, I won’t tournaments, battles, yearly awards, Im Hall of Fame. I’ve done more than the average guy and I still wouldn’t say they deserve blame because again, they’re the customer. Every guy that’s talking about let’s “take some blame” has been more active than the owners..

THIS. And it's what I've been saying for years.

I'll happily pay for Exclusive or any site/service/subscription that offers value. You give a service value by continually improving it. As of right now this site is just an inactive rap battle/hip-hop forum with some rap battling features. Not a rap battling site with a hip-hop forum.

I'm happy with how the new site looks and I have my fingers crossed. But I've seen screenshots of shit that never manifested a few times, so I'm not too hype on the new site yet

And "Don't like it fuck off" is a terrible attitude but its the one that both admins and community members have had. It's a new level of idiocy and incompetence that makes me question if most community members are strung out on drugs

No one on here is a customer bruh. This is a site based around community and that's why it's crumbling. The heart of the community got ignored by ownership and all that was left was a few real heads and then dumb ass new heads who basically filled out the staff as the traditions / integrity of the site rotted away. Regardless none of those real heads spoke up when these new heads were brought onto staff. The whole site needs more vision for what's good for the site / community. Cuz that's what rap battle sites have always been based around.. their community. The leadership is off just as much if not more but the community is off too and arguably as a byproduct of the leadership.

The new site is in progress, will post an update when there is something worth sharing.

Appreciate the feedback on the staff situation, but fundamentally the lack of activity will be addressed with features in the new site that make LB more engaging.

If you're interested in making the current site more active, post some battles!

Nigga...You do realize that the community is the only reason the site didn’t die YEARS ago right? We ran an outdated site by ourselves with no actual owners logging in once a month for years. But you can sit here and blame the members for the site dying. If that’s the case then no one would want to be a member. Have you been here for 8-9 years straight. Without being inactive because you made the place like a home? Is it ironic that MOST of the site members blame the owners for inactivity?

We donated ALOT of our own money to keep someone else’s owned site alive just to take blame from dudes like you.

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Why does it take threads like these to get you to post stuff like this? When the feel that you’re more involved if you posted like this on the regular? You’re a stranger to us dude.

I post updates in the announcements when they are ready, I don't have any updates to post so I'm responding to your request for an update. It doesn't take threads to get an update from me, you can DM me or email support@letsbeef.com

Most of the work happening on the new site right now is technical backend, so there isn't anything to "demo" --- it's complex trying to move off 15 year old tech to a new stack.

I'm sorry you feel like I'm a stranger, but I'm responding to requests.

The community of the site was dying years ago and that's why it's gotten to this point. The majority let all kinds of bullshit and fuckery slide til shit devolved to having rookies be mods

It would be great if the energy moved to battling instead of the forums, that's my bigger concern about this thread. Why aren't people battling? That's what the site is for.

My theory is that the current site doesn't have enough incentive to battle, the barrier to battle is high (requires voting, active members), the rewards are minimal (points, ranking) and some consider the voting system unfair. These are issues I am going to address in the new site.

Lol... alright well you’re clearly stupid so I’m done responding to you.

Think about it this way. The only reason you’re still active is because my thread gave you something to talk about. You would either be battling or logging off, which proves controversy sometimes create activity.

they mad there is no staff to try to fuck with anymore that was the bbulk of activity before... currently theres still lots of productive shit to do but its not what the old core of members want lol they want chaos

You're right tho, lol

Guts promised to make the site bigger than kotd and was gonna get drake on board. As soon as he works that out shot gon bump.

Currently though it's just become a negative feedback loop. Nothings going on so no one posts anything. No one posts anything so nothing is going on. I dont see it coming up again until the new site. Hope yall promote that heavy af too cuz a mobile player could have saved this site a year ago. I love this place, but currently I love it like I love my grandma. Which is a lot.

Anyways

Rest in peace, Shirley.

Wrong. We’re speaking from a user point of view. This has nothing really to do with “core members” which is clearly unimportant to you by making such statement.

So go ahead and claim how it’s such a free service to use while declining everyone’s free advice to use to build the place back up.

I honestly hate that there’s absolutely no chemistry between dudes like you and the users unless you’re riding each other.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

1st Step - Reinstate Hoffa. Reinstate HVK.

2nd Step - Legislate A Monthly Contest, The User That Posts The Most Open Battles For The Month Receives 100 Credits, Since Posting So Much Will Deplete His Or Her Credits, And Will Also Provide An Incentive To Also Vote More Since Credits Will Be Needed To Post So Much...And There Will Be More Battles To Vote On, Since People Will Post Battles More.

3rd Step - Launch The New Site In Beta.

i think @x and @Pugz have misjudged how much guys like noble and rule did here from running tourneys to HoF to trying to get people back active... at the end of the day maybe it helped more than it hurt

All comes down to the community and ownership. @Phil Banks why don't you come around no more? You don't wanna battle at all or is it the site?

I'm just done battling, that shit has alot to do with ego an mine has slowly fucked off as i've gotten older. I do want to continue doing music with people here though. An being I put in years here I want to see it flourish.

I feel like we in the same boat, that cocky energy kinda fades when you get older and humbler

I'm not staff anymore so none of the direction is up to me.. its in capable hands though that im sure of.. if x has something important to share he will.. im not worried

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dudes like me? im just a regular user bro... i have nothing to claim or present to you anymore to make you happy or mad with me.. im actually glad that burdens off me... peace of mind is a blessing... so not sure why your salty with me

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x also stated if you need an update to pm or email him.. you dont do it.. so really it seems you dont care.. seems you just wanna stir the pot publicly.. point fingers and blame but theres no one to direct it at anymore... drop a battle.. drop some music or drop out... letsbeef still gonna be here

Exact opposite.

People aren't battling because its about numbers. Some guys like myself never battles 300 times in a year and I was probably in the majority. But there were so many members in the month that even if 30 new people quit after like 1 battle, thats still 30 battles. Add in that lots of people battles over 100 times in a month, it all added up.

Your issue now is that people aren't battling cause they've already battled. There's so little members that Lock and Rai have faced each other 400 times. It's the same battles happening with the same voters. If even a single one of those people gets bored or tired of battling, which is a common thing, it's a HUGE impact for the site.

That's what the difference is.

I never agreed with incentivised battling. That means that when there isn't a league or tournament, no one wants to battle cause you'll waste all your good bars. Compare this to 2007 where guys just wanted to prove themselves against one another.

I agree i would like to see LB flourish, great site and seen some awesome talent here over the years; I'm game to help promote activity. I'll have a think of some ideas.

This thread speaks volumes about the state of LB. A few things I noticed:

1. "Old Heads" complaining that rookies or "New Heads" ruined the site by becoming staff and letting integrity slide? Where the fuck where the so-called "Old Heads?" Not to mention the fact that most of the "New Head" staff would beat the fucking brakes off these wack, lame-ass ghosts of LB's past making their resurrections lately.

2. Everybody is so eager to blame someone or something. Perhaps we just outgrew this outdated piece of shit site? I've seen the members blamed, staff blamed, owners blamed. Who gives a fuck? Blaming someone doesn't resolve anything. The site is belly.up, regardless. The shit's dead. No pulse. This is it for LB. New site or not, I highly doubt LB is going to garner the attention it once had when I originally signed up in 2013. It was a good run but it's done. Convince me otherwise.

3. Anybody who'd be concerned about the "new site" more than likely won't be left by the the time it is released. I'm not a big name, never have been, but I was an active user for a long time. I just don't care anymore. What will be great about battling the same 11 dudes on a different site and STILL waiting a fucking week for battles to close?

4. For this being the biggest subject of conversation right now, only the same handful of dudes comment about it. Punk is fighting like a motherfucker to keep this bitch going and no one seems to care. Hell, this the first time I've bothered to comment.


All in all, the site is dead. Set up a funeral date. With the way it's being managed and the general disconnect of the user base, we're not coming back from this. Nobody cares anymore.

A side note is that this isn't me complaining. If a new site is being launched then it'll be a big relaunch and hopefully you advertise it in some way. Adding or fixing things on this version is pointless.

@Punk

Just needed the mention wrap. Lol.

This the type of response that really makes me think you’re retarded.

WEVE BEEN ASKING FOR UPDATES FOR IDK HOW LONG. WEVE PM’D, IM’D, EMAILED, etc.

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

I believe i made these predictions about a month ago