Seul, A Mod, Is Targeting Members.
 

So....something very interesting came across my screen a few minutes ago.

Seul - who's been publicly and privately criticized for targeting members he has personal vendettas/beefs with - is once again doing the same. Because there was never proof, it was never discussed in detail, but a few minutes ago, he IM'd me saying the following...

I'll break this down so you know the whole backstory.

DETAIL 1: "As you can see your last message, you asked me not to vote on your shit. So I wont, don't vote on mine either."

When Seul said this, he was referring to a message I had sent to him right after registering my account. The message read...

Quote:

"Respectfully, you have blocked me from voting on your battles. Please refrain from voting on mine."

The reason Seul blocked me is because of his personal feelings towards me due to a dispute we had over 8 months ago, a dispute since I have dropped and never brought back up. Upon signing up, he blocked me, which obviously meant HE is the one still walking around butt hurt for whatever reason.

DETAIL 2: "So I wont, don't vote on mine either.....I don't give a fuck if your in FVC, I don't want your biased ass hate votes on my shit."

This is interesting, because to the last of my knowledge, I am blocked. So why he had to tell me to not vote on his battles even though he KNOWS he has me blocked is beyond me. Furthermore, I don't want to vote on anything of yours. I never have, and I never will. I have never been accused of, found guilty of, or been known for dropping hate votes. It just comes off as a sad attempt to talk shit behind closed doors after going on a 5 message rant in the general chat....once again....butt hurt....

DETAIL 3: "Speaking on that, i'll be observing your votes, every single fuckin' one. Don't slip up. ;) "

As mentioned earlier, Seul has the unfortunate history of using his mod powers as a way to undermine any and everyone he has personal feelings towards, despite always denying it. He has a repeated history of abusing his powers, using them to his advantage, and straight up bullying people he knows can't fight back because of the position he holds. The only difference between then and now, is nobody ever had the proof. But now I do.

As a mod, it is your job to moderate the site and have the site's best interests at heart. Not to log on once a week, talk shit, and then threaten its members. Seul has always been "protected" by others, but regardless of how many people like him, this is literally proof that the dude has lost his way, he is wrong in the way he moderates, and it needs to be brought to light. He should appreciate that since he takes every chance he can get to bring my shit to light.

If you have a personal beef with me, fine. But to actually be dumb enough to put it in an IM?.....and then to have the arrogance to say "Don't slip up ;)" ...while slipping up yourself is amazing to me lol

So, Seul, its good to see you back online, but if this is what you'll contribute to the site, just stay ghost fam.

Seul vs Saiyan aka Cecil (Loser Deletes).
 

Alright,

This wager has been done before, and I was victorious.

Last time he called me out, it wasn't a fair battle. I had all my titles, was mod, and was on a huge winning streak, where as - his account had a shitty ass record and no titles to his name. I beat him, btw.

Here's the link: https://www.letsbeef.com/battle_deta...n=tb&id=508115

Now, you got yourself a nice little crew, got yourself in the FVC... I think it's a little more fair.

Loser deletes for good, meaning, if I lose you'll never see me again (new mod spot opens up, too :D). & that means, if you lose, I will be using all my mod powers to ensure you never log into this site again.

@Cecil, it's a simple yes or no.... PUNISHERS!

Thanks for the platform, G. But I will not be accepting your callout, especially after you denied my callout 6 times straight. You get what you give. And that's the last thing I'll say about that. If you could, since you love shedding light on things, could you provide an explanation as to why this still isn't approved, moderator?
@g u t s @Edgeworth @Rieper @Student

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Pussy. Don't talk shit to me if you don't wanna battle.

That's all, folks.

Tbh if you sent the call out 6 times Saiy, and he’s responding with a call out and you’re refusing, it kindve looks shitty on your end of the stick lol. Just battle. Winner gets bragging rights.

I don't mind battling him. Just not on his terms. Plus, he can't seriously think he's gonna try to bully me and not approve the thread exposing him, AND call me out thinking I'll accept it when he made all the stipulations lol nah G.

Seul may have gotten everything he wanted back then, but those days are over.

Still waiting on my thread to be approved @g u t s @Rieper @Student @Edgeworth

What do you mean, those days are over. LMAO. I had to struggle and practice a lot to get where i'm at. This shit wasn't overnight. Self voting though, that's how you never improve.

I told you, i'm not hiding anything, that's why I didn't delete your thread. I let another MODERATOR read and approve it.

You been low-key taking shots at me, you did it today, and you did it a week or two ago. Its the equivalent of talking shit under your breath while your walking away from someone.

This 'delete your account' stipulation, was first created by you in our earlier battle. Does that mean its, my stipulation.... or yours? Hmm...

Don't play the victim, only pussies do that.

Why does your thread have to be approved? Is that a new feature?

I have no clue to be honest, I've seen it happen before but I don't know what triggers it.

I'm not gonna lie though, as soon as I saw it happen to the thread he posted I legit LOL'd.

Sooner or later, it will come out. You can say whatever you'd like. Everything I had to say, I put in the thread. Y'all can give free reign to post anything we want, but on the day I'm about to expose you, you want to talk shit for 2 hours straight, try to throw me under the bus because of old stuff you think I did, call me out to audio for account deletion when you know I don't even do audio, threaten to ban me forever, while letting my thread sit in "pending review" for hours?

"Only pussies do that" lol the bottom line is, I have a thread that shows something you clearly don't want anyone to see. Not only you, but unfortunately the rest of the staff as well.

Everyone knows this thread exists, but the mods are preventing it from going public. That in itself makes you look VERRRRRY suspect G. At this point, you're damned if you do (because you'll get exposed for abusing your powers) and damned if you don't (because then people will know you're trying to hide something). :)

I wrote this to him in IM's:

Cool.

As you can see your last message, you asked me not to vote on your shit.

So I wont, don't vote on mine either.

Behave like I don't exist, I don't ever write a message/post/comment for you to respond to.

I don't give a fuck if your in FVC, I don't want your biased ass hate votes on my shit.

Speaking on that, i'll be observing your votes, every single fuckin' one.

Don't slip up.
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...and I stand by it, you have had a history of self voting. So I don't trust your votes, especially with boosted VP. So I will be watching your votes, just like any concerned member of staff would.

I had him blocked for the better part of last year, but I sent this in light of him becoming FVC. As I cannot actually block him from my battles anymore, because FVC are exempt. His dumb ass probably didn't even know that, though.

Call all the mods to the thread though, I really got nothing to hide - nor did I do something wrong.

We dont have to audio battle by the way, I'm open to a 16 as stated in the shoutbox.

Ok. I merged the two threads together to avoid clutter and to consolidate it all in to one place. There is no such bullshit involving anyone being protected and you two should go ahead and get the battle going between you two, if anything.

@Cecil,

Please provide your witnesses/or any other members that agree's with you in terms of me 'abusing' my powers.

If you are just going to straight up lie, I might as well expose you for that too.

If this is true, then you wouldn't say in the chat,

"You're trying to make it seem like I don't like you." when every single thing you say to me in the chat AND behind closed doors is proof of that. You don't have to like me. But as a mod you have a responsibility to moderate FAIRLY...not watch certain users more than others because you don't like them.

You lost G. The second you let your arrogance get the best of you, you lost.

Now we have proof. You target members. Own your shit. Send 8. And let's move forward. (That's my way of saying I'm not wasting 16 on you. You're rusty, washed up, and a non mf factor. I'll battle you in 8).

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Ironically, they're either inactive or deleted their accounts. But we don't need "proof" of that. Just as you always feel the need to bring up you thinking I self voted, EVERYONE already knows you have a sketchy history of using your mod powers. It's no secret. Me posting links and pictures here isn't needed. What's understood doesn't have to be explained G.

Bruh, are you retarded? LMAO. HVK is going to be looking into your votes, too. I am just paying extra attention to yours - for being a known cheater.

Has @BURDENS ever cheated? Has @ALL-BORO ever cheated? Has @Lil Talent ever cheated? Not from my knowledge.... but if I find out they have? I will be keeping a close eye on their votes too.

Washed up & rusty.... I have been off the site for 1 month you clown. Funny... all the witnesses ended up 'disappearing'. Whats your next accusation? I'm a mob boss and got them whacked so they can't take the stand on me?

I see that you're trying harder and harder to change the narrative to distract people from the point of this thread.

You keep saying stuff that was investigated almost a year ago, as if people don't know already. That's old news. It's old...okay?

Right here, right now, I am showing proof that you, a mod, abuse your powers and target members. Let alone threatened to ban me, went on a 2-hour temper tantrum in the chat, called me out of my name multiple times, and refused to grant me my right as a member to post in the forums regarding a topic simply because it was going to expose you.

Keep bringing up my past, but whatever you say won't change that ↑

You don't conduct yourself as a mod should. You never have.

Does a 3rd Party have to set the ground rules for the battle here?

Also, I moved this to General Talk to keep Concept Tourney sign-ups the most recent in the Text Lounge. Y'all get it.

No disrespect, but it doesn't matter WHO tries to set any kind of rules up. This wasn't done with the hopes we would battle. I tried battling him countless times last year and each time he said no. Now I'm supposed to just jump and battle because he says jump and battle?

Nah.....If Seul wants to battle me, he can send me 8. That's it. Straight up old school callout and answer.

No, no. You been taking shots at me for months. I just retaliated today. Don't play the victim. There's nothing concerning in my post. I don't target members, I target you. Only you, you fucking punk.

Saiyan, you are fucked.

Sending 8.

I am a member dumbass ...???? Lol

And thank you for finally admitting that you, as a mod, target me.

Before you send you might wanna check with @Rieper first. He has something to tell you.

Not sure by reading the thread how my name got mentioned in this but just for the record.... I do not cheat nor have I ever my bars are to strong for that and I'm a good sport when I lose I lose simple as that ....i always give credit where it's due and I view losses as a way to help me improve. Self voting is frowned upon and should never be done abuse of staff power is also frowned upon and should never be done not sure who has a history of what. I haven't seen Seul abuse his power and I'm not up on Cecil self voting so I can't speak on that what I will say is that from what can see Seul is an extremely talented artist and I believe Cecil to be talented as well only going off of what I heard and read from both. Only one way to settle this is to step in the ring and battle it out no hate from me to either man

You weren't accused of cheating. You were used as an example by Seul against Saiyan of someone who doesn't cheat.

@Lock thanks brother RESPECT to Seul and Cecil hope this materializes into a great match

Saiyan about to get bodied.

I see drama, I like

:like:

Facts ^

I get my activity is low, but I'm starting to think demodding me wasnt a great choice.

let me put an end to this. saiyan, you will lose. i'm not even hating, it's just pure fact that seul is inasnely good and only the best of the best have a shot at beating him, and also, your name is tainted and even if you had some great bars you'd lose the votes.

loser deletes battle are the biggest *yawn* bullshit i ever seen. none of y'all really gonna stay deleted so why pretend?

saii, my best advice for now? do your best at being fvc and prove your doubters wrong. for example, it's not just seul, i took issue with you being fvc as well. so prove us wrong and work on elevating your bars. as of now though, no hate, no point in trying to call out seul, you'll lose.

Guts.....First thing is first, nobody called out Seul. Nobody challenged him. Nobody is worried about this washed up peon. And it's a damn fact that ever since his hype train left the station people see his bars for what they truly are.

Second, Seul called me out once I chose to expose him and added all of these "account deletion" stipulations so *yawn* your dickriding mouth in his direction. Not mine.

Third, and this is important, saying I'll lose the way you just did not only makes you look like a complete douch, but it's the greatest form of swaying ever. I don't know what grounds you have to say that, since you yourself aren't the greatest battler even in your own crew....but that's neither here nor there....the same way you opinion isn't here nor there. It doesn't matter.

Seul is good, but the nigga isn't that good. Don't let those titles fool you. Just because he dominated a dead audio scene for a few months and racked up some titles doesn't mean he's the don in text. ALL of those titles came from audio. He's not even known for texting and I could pick out a good 5-6 current active heads that could tear him to shreds. So please, don't come here trying to spark the Seul Sucking Train right now.

Oh and by the way, it's cool if you took issue with me being FVC. Because when the site was shitting on you for randomly, all-of-a-suddenly getting a mod position after being active for 2 weeks I stood in your corner. You didn't earn your shit like the rest of them, since we're being honest...right?

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Plus, once again, this is not a callout thread. This is a thread shedding light on Seul abusing his powers. Don't ignore the point of the thread to get in here talking shit about who you think might win a battle that I'm clearly not concerned with engaging in. If you're trying that hard to distract from the issue, just delete the thread. But I thought you were above hijacking threads. Guess I was wrong.

1. abuse of powers would be seul giving you infraction points for no reason or changing your name, shit like that. seul let another mod deal with the thread to avoid bias.

2. seul is one of the greatest on lb in audio, and top 25 in text all time.

3. i never claimed to be good, i'm fucking trash tbh.

4. you will lose to seul. be humble.

5. i was active for 3 months before mod, and i did more shit than anyone on site the whole time. i was rewarded for my efforts. that's how life works.

6. self voting is something that's hard to come back from. sure you're fvc, but that doesn't mean we all forgot. @HVK makes those choices and he may have moved past it, but i sure as the hell didn't and i know others who aren't there yet either.

Let me get something clear to you, it's not abusing my powers when I say I am going to closely observe a known cheaters votes. Are you that fucking retarded?

What Seul hype train, I beat the best of the best on this site. You keep saying that i'm washed up lmfao, who the fucking hell is good at battling for a few months, and then magically loses all their writing talent / creativity. Do you really believe the shit coming out of your mouth? I have titles from both text and audio, dummy.

Now stop writing big ass walls of texts, it's not helping your whack ass points.

You're the "champ"

You're the mod

And you're the one clearly in his feelings that I called you out lol you're the one who feels he has something to prove here, not me.

For the 10th time, if you wanna send 8, send 8. Don't challenge me, then delete the battle right after sending it....yeah I have proof of that too....."dummy"

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1. Seul is not top 25 in any category...text battles....audio battles....or modding

2. You're not trash

3. If that's how you feel then cool, but keep the cheerleading to the minimum so you're not in violation of sway rules

4. Any accusation is hard to come back from, but there have been people promoted to FVC, and even mod in the wake of them. So don't say shit about you not being able to move on from mine.

You have proof of me deleting a battle I sent to you, that had 7 out of 8 lines written? It was a mistake, if I wasn't a mod, I would get another mod to delete the battle lol.

it's not cheerleading. it's honesty. seul has better flow that most, and his bars are fresh and clean. he'd take down some of the goats like ticket, phil banks, and m rock. not to mention HE BEAT THE ALL TIME "GOAT" BLUE


and sure people get promoted after shit like that, but it almost comes out they had been cheating the whole time, like row, so you don't wanna compare yourself to that

He's beaten grand champs. I've beaten grand champs. He's beaten prestigious battlers. I've beaten prestigious battlers. It's no secret you like him more than me. Just say that. Don't try to compare and contrast our battling history. Trying to give reasons as to why you think he'd beat me is the literal definition of swaying....and you know that...moderator.

And, once again...this is not a battle thread or a callout thread...so if you want to make a breakdown video or post about why he'd destroy me so easily, make a thread about that on your own time. Don't hijack mine.

Bro, what Grand Champs and prestigious battlers have you beaten?

I'll wait, please provide links to your claims.

*shrug* what for? ....ohhh because I have something to prove to you right?.....wrong...I could care less what tf you think of me. The real question is, if you deleted the battle you just sent me because you were short one line..... *checks watch* why has it taken you 30 minutes to add 1 sentence to your verse?

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ok sure, i'm cool with seul, more so than you. a big part of that is when seul gave me advice and mentored me, i didn't sit there like "nah you trash i'm better than you" i listened and tried my best to elevate. and if this thread isn't a callout then idk wtf you consider it.

seul didn't abuse mod powers, sure it's not recommended to mod your own battles, but it's very clear that he prob wouldn't have time to get another mod to fix the situation. and it's not like he was effecting anyone other than himself. if that's your evidence then you have nothing.

Right... okay, so he has no links. You'll get your battle. :monkey:

Get your 8 ready, battle won't be up until then - right?