Letsbeef Crew Draft 2019 - Preliminary Thoughts
 

Reason

I've ALWAYS opposed a draft of crews on Letsbeef. The reason was pretty simple; I was always running and progressing with an active crew. However I'd say this is the first time every on LB where NO crews are currently putting in any work. NO ONE is progressing at all in terms of crews, and I feel this is a significant hit to the site because crews are probably the most engaging aspect we have.

Thus, I think finally putting together a crew draft (that will actually work as I'd be running it) would be the perfect thing to kick everyone's arse into gear and actually do something different on the site for a change.

Members on LB have also somehow fallen into this rigid loyalty to crews that essentially don't exist. Apoc, Anbu, LoD, Turnbull ACs, Fire Nation...no one is really trying to become the best crew or clash with rival crews. They're all just....there. No one is actually attempting to do anything crew wise, and I hope that we can get some folks to sort of shake of this "undying loyalty" thing and start something new and fresh, because sticking with an old unused crew stagnates instantly.



Basic Concept

It might be a little bit ambitious, but it leaves some room for scope. I was thinking:-

• 6 Crews
• 6 Leaders
• Maximum of 10 members per crew
• Illmania 5 in May

I think 6 means that there's more opportunity for organic rivalries, as opposed to the same couple deliberately going after each other to create fake beef. I think 10 members does add up to a lot, but even if we don't get people to "sign up" exactly, we could always just recruit people to the crews naturally as long as we adhere to the 10 members limit. I feel that May is a month that isn't overboard with other focuses.

Crew members could leave, join other crews, get kicked, everything they normally could. The only thing that would exclude them is some form of deliberate breach of a pre-determined rule in the process.

Illmania has always been the biggest event on the site, and I think by pushing the boat out and really doing something different for this one, we might just drag some more activity out of the site.



Additional Concept

As a side proposal to the above, I think it would also be good to reward the progress of each crew. A natural one would be to set up some kind of points system (which I could track) that allocates points based on how far someone was to go in a tournament for example. I think one aspect I'd definitely want is to add points based on simply winning battles, which hopefully would point people towards the basic arena.

I haven't fully thought out what the incentive or reward would be yet. An extra man for the crew with the most points at the end of the month? Maybe the ability to force a swap with another crew which the member can't disagree to? Maybe the ability to create a custom battle for the Illmania card? I'm not sure, but I think the ability to progress as a crew individually, but also still have it come back to benefit the crew, would be a good way to kill two birds with one stone.

Any suggestions in this aspect would be great.



What are everyone's thoughts, and more importantly who would be interested in progressing further with this idea? Also if anyone has any questions or suggestions drop them in the thread too.

Also, don't wait for other people to post in the thread. Letsbeef has this habit of everyone waiting for a "big vet" to show their interest first, so get your thoughts down there as soon as you have them.

I really think a concept like this could at the very least get us all engaged in something for a couple of months, so as much participation as possible would be great.

honestly i loved this

Interesting idea, but not enough people and more importantly not enough voters to make 10 work. I’d put a cap on like a leader, capo, and 2 or 3 members maybe. I think the event could be fun.

I think it would be separated into separate parts:-

A) Draft Members
B) Organic Members

The draft for sure wouldn't be 60 members. But maybe if each person drafted 3 or 4 members to their crew each, there would be an upper limit of 10 members. That means guys who aren't active at the time of the draft, or new members would still be eligible to join the crews and might create a bit of a bidding war situation. That number could come down as well of course. 8 or something could work too.

Would you be interested in taking part? It means we'd all be leaving whatever crews we'd be part of, and although no crew is doing anything on LB right now I know some people have formed weird allegiances to their wastelands and I want to kinda break through those for the better of the site.

I’d be down to take part for sure. And I get what you mean, it can definitely shake things up.

I like the idea, as I mentioned in IM's, but how would the draft take place exactly? like how do we decide who goes to what crew & keep things fair?

It would probably work something like this:-

Battler A - Pick 1
Battler B - Pick 2
Battler C - Pick 3
Battler D - Pick 4
Battler E - Pick 5
Battler F - Pick 6

Battler F - Pick 1
Battler E - Pick 2
Battler D - Pick 3
Battler C - Pick 4
Battler B - Pick 5
Battler A - Pick 6

And so on and so forth.

People would sign up to the draft, so there would be a pool of battlers to pick from. Who picks first and the order of the picks etc. would be decided randomly.

Interesting idea. Not sure if you would be able to break up apocalypse and Anbu. If you cant than this pretty much doesnt work. I would be down to participate though. Fuck it. Why not.

Aggo, it's been about 7 years now. You STILL think I can't break up crews? :D

But nah I think most people will agree that their crews aren't really doing anything and that mixing it up in a big shake up is best for both them and the site.

This that shit I do like.

I love this idea. However, I would tweak a couple of things.

For one, 6 crews with 10 each would mean at LEAST 60 members are currently active, which there aren't. Whether it would be to accept a crew invite or at the very least be privy to what's going on, they'd need to be active. Of course, an admin/mod could alleviate this problem by forcefully placing draft picks in their perspective crews, but that could create a problem if people who haven't logged on or don't know what's going on end up logging in to find they're gone from their old crew and into a new one all of a sudden.

A more realistic system would be 6 crews, 4 members each probably. That way, draft picks mean a lot more because you're going to be much more particular about who you'd want in your crew. Also, 24 draft picks is much closer to reality, as we're sitting on about 30-35 active members.

The second is, this being such a good/great idea and with it being such a big undertaking, I believe EtH should be made mod. For obvious reasons, he would need the clearance and power to facilitate this kind of event. Although he can be a dick at times, and two-faced as hell, I've always known him to be a straight shooter and fair.

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As far as a draft system, we could incorporate a points system. Each leader gets a total of 1000 points, and each member in the draft is given a value number based on records and titles.

Let's say Row is a leader, and each leader is given 1000 points.

RULE/Revan - SUPERMAX DEAL (1,000) - this would be someone's obvious pick, but they'd have to keep in mind that this draft is implemented so that BATTLES and BEEFS can take place. With rewards being included, always losing because of lack of active members could hurt your crew.
Rican - 650
Shodan - 600
Edgeworth - 420
Rieper - 400
Brayne D. - 300
Macc - 300
Hopps - 280
Saiyan - 280
KG - 260
Student - 200
Mizz Ammo - 140
2 Gucci - 100
Bnas - 5

(this doesn't reflect how I feel about each's skill level, just saiyan for context)

Each leader would have to carefully pick their members because, like pro sports, they are dealing with a cap system

Im down..

since i'm 3-0 against macc where does that put me

300.5.....jk lol if I were to really break down numbers as they should be in the draft, it'd start some shit lol just a suggestion though chief. na'm saiyan?

Me and Eth had a bit of a convo about this and I think it's a dope idea

Breaking up Apoc would be quite easy, convincing @HVK won't be lol
@HVK what's your thoughts?

For the draft it wouldn't be 60 members. A draft of 4 each or something would be how it goes down. But I think having a larger overall limit to members means we have an incentive to pick up and potentially teach new members to increase our chances in Illmania.

There is absolutely zero clearance I'd need for this. Everything is easily done in the forums.

I'm not sure about the points system as it's subjective. For example, no chance Id personally pick RULE, an inactive no show threat. But if you were a leader its clear youd want him, so all in all I think leaving it open to interpretation is better.

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Looking at Apoc, KG and HVK are the only guys that'd be involved anyway. Ginge is active but did say he's done a few daus ago.

i love this idea and have drafted up a possible points scheme. (keep in mind none of this is official just my personal opinions/speculations/ideas) the way it works is every user will be responsible for tallying their own points. (it's not hard, everytime you do something that gives you points add it to a total) they will periodically message their leader and ask them to update their point count. the crew leader will be responsible for updating/upkeeping his crews points. this will give us a relative idea of who's leading in points leading up to illmania. in addition, all special battle and forum events will need proof to be validated so make sure to save your links. two weeks before illmania the points stacking will be completed and that point each team can focus on gearing up for the event while a select group (perhaps myself and eth, whoever is willing) will go through all points claimed and make sure they are official. any minor point differentials will be adjusted to no penalty but any major point differentials will result in that users point being negated completely. so don't fucking lie.

potential purpose of these points includes a possible advantage given to the winning team and penalty given to the losing team. (team=crew also this is eths idea not mine) in addition to this, i think the point system should factor into the final outcome of illmania.

anyways here's an outlook of the potential points system

posting an open battle: 3 points
winning a posted battle: 6 points
responding to an open battle: 1 point
responding to an obvious noob: -1 point
winning a battle you responded to: 3 points
beating an obvious noob: 0 points
(unless the noob responds to your open) in which: 3 points

in addition, all these same rules apply for audio
except in each category you will be granted an extra point
due to massive lack of activity
so for example posting an audio battle: 4 points

posting a cypher: 2 points
an additional point will be added for every additional post your cypher receives

uploading a track: 3 points
spamming tracks to accumulate points: -10 points
(this penalty multiplies for every spammed track)
having at least ten comments on your track: 3 points
(additional 3 points for every ten comments/votes)
your track being rated a 9 or 10 for every vote: 10 points
(min required votes is 10)
you can post beats or songs, but it has to be new content
for a track to be considered for points it has to be over 1:30

participating in a special battle: 5 points
winning a special battle: 10 points
special battles are organized events. tag team, video, topical and so on.

participating in an official tournament: 5 points
participating in forum tournament: 3 points
winning in a tournament point wise will look like this
first round: 10 points second round: 15 points third round: 20 points etc.
for forums tournaments it will be similar
first round: 6 points second round: 9 points third round: 12 points

in addition making it to the semi finals: 10 points
winning semi finals: 20 points
making it to finals: 50 points
winning a tournament: 100 points

for forums
semi final: 5 points
winning:10 points
finals:20 points
winning:30 points

hosting a forum tournament: 30 points
spamming tournaments to accumulate points: -30 points
(this penalty multiplies)

participating in a credit wager battle: 10 points
winning a credit wager battle: 20 points

(min wager must be 20 credits)

I don't want to get overly into the points system yet because it's going to have a little bit of depth to it and when you start trying to throw that at everyone right off the bat, it'll seem a little complex and confusing.

Although I think there are key areas to target as opposed to taking over the ENTIRE website. I want to keep it somewhat simple. Points for winning battles, points for making it far in tournaments. Doing things about tracks and cyphers are stuff is a different level and you have to start considering quality and stuff like that.

But this is all a side thing anyways. We'll start with the draft, seeing if we can get a couple new key members of the site involved and then we'll start looking at the points.

Im down for this might make me jump in that audio ring too Let's go i havent booked as many live battles this year so i got time!

If there's data involved, I'm defos in :p

This idea comes up every now and again but theres never been a better time for it, and for it to succeed.

I think 4 crews with 4-6 members a piece would be likely.

You think it'd succeed now ?

I do. No other crews out there, the site has a bit of a resurgent feel about it.

Plus with ILLMANIA to look forward to at the end!

I do not agree with crews being limited to only ten people.

There's hardly ever 10 people active at a time for the whole site, much less a crew.

This I agree with. However, the majority of ANBU are fairly active from time to time, even though they're not all online at once and they have over ten people.

Do you know what's weird? Talking about making this website more engaging so that more people can join and then all the sudden talk about setting up a system that's meant for a minimal amount of people.

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Also as far as *drafting* people goes... LOL! This is Lets Beef not World War 2. If I logged in and found I was in a different crew, I would have a LOT of fun leaving that crew and just rebooting 474. Like no one wants to be taken from their crews and placed into a different crew which they may not even like. I consider forcing people to do this kind of shit as an act of violation towards their accounts.

Violating the community is not the answer.

The majority of the active members in ANBU doesn't even add up to 10, and overall they still have exactly 10 members with 2 of the 11 being accounts of Row's.

The minimal amount of people system is meant, more or less, to improve voting, I assume. Yeah this is supposed bring about a competition of sorts, but the whole big picture thing is to bring about more voting for battles, which causes more battles to happen, hopefully.

Ive ALWAYS opposed it but as you say, this is the first time it makes sense.

I think only including 16-24 members is too limiting. What if a vet returns or a new rookie joins and someone wants to take the chance on them? The draft itself might be 4-6 members but I think letting crews expand beyond that is still okay.

How many crews do you guys think?


Lock, the votes suck for sure, but thats just on all of us. Theres like 10 seperate people who can vote on your battles in this thread, when was the last time you saw 10 votes?

Maybe just engaging people will lead them to vote. Ive never been more active voting than when scouting for ACs.

Think you'd be interested Lock? I think you, Shodan and the Anbu boys and we're in a good spot.

Anyone who doesnt like this idea I need to have a long talk with tbh lol. I see 0 things wrong with this

To answer your first question: Probably on one of my tourney finals earlier this year.

To answer your second question: I'm not really interested, no. I love the idea and I hope it succeeds, but I'm not really interested in being in a crew, at this point. I know it sounds selfish, but with me having free reign to vote on every possible battle while not being in a crew with others, I feel that's the best option (especially with me being in FVC).

That to me sounds like using a bucket of water when your boat is sinking. Youve always been an active voter. Used to be 20 a day. Then it was 15. Then 10. Now what? There's 5 new battles a day.

It's cool if you want to do that, but to me it seems like an entirely wasted effort. We need more battles on the site. 50 votes per day and one battle means nothing.

I mean I dunno if this is runnable without you mate. You're the favourite to win the next tournament. We'd be running this without one of the best and most active guys around. Dunno if we'd get the same traction.

Gooch. No one is forcing anyone. Its voluntary obviously. Dont be weird.

Oh okay... I'm sorry I got confused because someone said something about logging into LB one day to find yourself in a different crew than the one you were in before. Considering this is about a crew *draft* that's how I just simply figured. My bad...

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Okay, fair point.

what do you think @Shodan

rounds

Why 6 teams? Why not 2 or 3 decent sized teams? If that happened there could be plenty of different types of battle formats.. And lets say there was 2 teams, what if 2 random crews were made rather than 2 already existing crews?

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1st and 2nd place in this text grand championship gets to be leaders in the crew draft..

No. Leaders should be voluntary. Just Saiyan.

If people can agree on it.. Dont want no low tier mf trying to run a crew..