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The MainStream Vs The UnderGround.
The MainStream VS THE UNDERGROUND This thread is about The MainStream Vs The UnderGround when it comes to Hip-Hop/Rap and while some of you have said you can't compare the two technically you can even thought they are two aspects of the same thing, but I just wanted to discuss this and have a convo about it how ever way it goes, it goes but just wanted to talk about these to genres, comment on what you think about this if ya want too aswell and which genre do you feel more in touch with yourself with your style. The MainStream So when it comes to the mainstream, its music for the masses and these days the most popular rappers in the mainstream seem to be the mumble rappers and theres a fashion style with it too, colourful dreads, colourful clothes ect.. there not lyrical but people like the sound of there songs for the way it sounds, lyrically there not that creative but it does have a uniqueness too it, other mainstream artists who are not considered mumble rappers can display more skills on the mic though but again there lyrics often don't go too deep, maybe sometimes, but hey, I'm not dissing this genre I mean I can see the manipulation in it that the youth eats up, but I liked some of these guys music, LIL PEEP, XXX Tentacion and Tekashi69 I liked some there artwork. Another thing with this genre is the beats, some of the beats are real cool, XXX Tentacion and LIL PEEP even had songs that were somewhat deep aswell and had feeling you know and some people can relate to that, same with all music, but like it wasn't all just gangsta shit, or cars, money ect all the time... there are parts to this genre that I personally liked. The UnderGround So when it comes to the UnderGround, this music is not for the masses, its hidden, its underground people godda look, seek and find it out for themselves, the beats are normally Hip-Hoppsih or underground some which are real dope, some say the mainstream songs sound better but theres a lot of good sounding sounds in the underground too combined with lyrical skill, but yo, the lyrics more lyrical, raw, hardcore and there are some good messages and wisdom in many of the underground artists songs. This is where it began and people may say hip hop has changed now, but theres still underground mc's making tracks, many of the famous ones and even new up an comers in this genre too. Personally for me out the two genres discussed here I like the underground better, it seems more real to me overall, not saying the mainstream dudes can't be some where/are real wid it at times, I remember when I first got into Hip-Hop it started with Tupac (not underground artists but he had the messages in his songs) but then later on after that it was Eminem then the underground artists like Vinnie Paz, R.A the Rugged man and K-rino and more.. the lyrical dopeness an flows was what I thought was really cool and still like that, even in my country the main style of most rappers is still the underground overall quiet different from america at the moment I guess. Conclusion: Both are good in there own ways, I like parts of the mainstream and certain artists there but overall I like the underground more and the artists there, a bit of both though, and you? made this pic. https://i.imgur.com/YW2cmdt.jpg SOME UNDERGROUND TRACKS Jedi Mind Tricks "Marciano's Reign" feat. Scott Stallone - Official Video Statik Selektah - "Bird's Eye View" feat. Raekwon, Joey Bada$$ & Black Thought innie Paz "Gasmask" Wu-Tang - Frozen ft. Killa Priest, Chris Rivers (Explicit) Method Man, Ghostface Killah, Raekwon Gift of Gab (feat. R.A. The Rugged Man and A-F-R-O) - Freedom Form Flowing Vinnie Paz - End of Days WOMBAT - BLACK SHEEP WOMBAT - when words fail, music speaks. SOME MAINSTREAM TRACKS Lil Peep - Save That Shit Lil Peep - Star Shopping XXXTENTACION - MOONLIGHT XXXTENTACION - SAD! BEBE - 6ix9ine Ft. Anuel AA (Prod. By Ronny J) 6IX9INE "Billy" DRAM - Broccoli feat. Lil Yachty XXXTENTACION & Lil Pump ft. Maluma & Swae Lee - "Arms Around You" |
Wu Tang underground?
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that's some good stuff suspsie,yea cool stuff from the underground I also like drake from young money music group,underground king:
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...Wu-Tang was played on the radio all the time in the 90's. :confused: |
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Vinnie and R.A speaking about mumble rap. |
aesop rock > everyone else. lol
but on a real note, i used to fucking hate all mainstream, but there are some things i can appreciate. lil peep had shit lyrics and i hated a lot of his music, but now being asked to make beats like his i've had to listen to his shit non stop and it's slightly changed my perspective. i don't know if it's a strange case of audio-Stockholm syndrome (lol) but i've started to vibe with some particular tracks mostly this song i had never really heard "awful things" the chorus is very basic but hell man it works. lyrics for the reast kinda wack but i dig the beat and chorus. same kinda story for x i mean i was even against the dude for beating up a woman, (yes i know after his death the chick changed sides) but ever since i heard jacelyn flores i can't stop bumping it. i think the whole song is amazing. i guess my point is that, the mainstream is something that's hard to comprehend. at what point does an underground cat become mainstream? lil peep and half these guys are soundcloud rappers. they have their own style, but people like x and peep where really on some new shit. can you really consider their music mainstream anyways? the mainstream is something that for me means "boring and tired" but i've learned to give more chances with all music ya know. just want to make it clear that i think the underground will always, by nature, have the better music. just think of polar ice caps. |
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You'd classify XXXTENTACION as mainstream? I would say he may have achieved mainstream exposure but some could argue that was posthumously. About 90% of his career was underground-based. A lot radio stations and streaming services didn't support his music until he died, like Spotify.
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Lil peep isn't a mumble rapper if you listen to abunch of his songs he wasn't even a rapper imo he was more so punk. |
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LB considers Lil Peep a punk/hip hop/singer, and Tekashi 6ix9ine (all he does is scream) mumble rappers. You have to be grade A retarded like @Student to not know what MUMBLE rap is.
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Vinnie Paz is a G.O.A.T.
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69, Peep, etc is not 69 screams in 97% of his songs. Post 3 songs he didint scream in or your point doesn’t count here. |
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Regardless, he still doesn’t mumble in those songs. Y’all really don’t know what mumble rap is man? Lol |
I feel like a lot of the shit I listen to is underground new school.
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Im cool with coupling scream rap into mumbled rap.
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Mainstream versus underground doesn't necessarily have anything to do with content. It's not so much about what kind of beats they use, what they rap about, the way they dress, or if they use autotune. The MAIN demarcation between mainstream and underground is commercial success. People get mainstream/underground confused with conscious/non-conscious music. Just because somebody is "underground" doesn't necessarily mean they are conscious, and vice versa, just because somebody is mainstream doesn't necessarily mean they are unconscious.
You've had conscious artists like Nas or Kendrick Lamar who have had mainstream commercial success. Likewise, there are underground artists who spit gangsta rap, mumble rap, or whatever is the latest mainstream craze. They just haven't had success with it, which is why they remain underground. Conscious/non-conscious isn't so much about content either but rather purpose. For example, when NWA came out, they pretty much introduced the genre of gangsta rap. However, they were doing it more from a "news reporter" perspective, letting listeners know what goes on in the hood. After they became popular and gangsta rap took off, other people who chose to do gangsta rap did so primarily for commercial purposes, because it sells and they think that's what people want to hear. So you can have two people both spitting gangsta rap, but one may be considered "conscious" and the other non-conscious. Whatever style of rap you make, if you do so with originality in not trying to copy anybody or what's supposed to be popular or what will sell, but rather with a purpose to be true to yourself and your community, then you're being conscious. If you are rapping strictly to make money or to try to "make it" or you are otherwise fabricating things that you have never lived, then you are being non-conscious. |
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Underground would be: JMT (AOTP), Atmosphere, Aesop Rock, Grieves, Brother Ali, Cunninlynguists, Immortal Tech, Demigodz, Outerspace, etc. I grew up on 90's music sprinkled in with late 50's - 60's soul & R&B, early 60's-80's Rock and 80's-2000's Pop so it was a lot of variety. |
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Good post @NOBLE getting to the point I suppose. Thanks for your input. Quote:
Iggy may make you horny shaking her Aussie butt around but check it, her music ain't that dope imo. (We can discuss female rappers/MC's if you guys want aswell) On the first page of this thread I posted two Aussie Hip Hop songs by an artist named WOMBAT whos pretty nice wid it but here is some more tracks.. from the land down under peace!! SOME AUSSIE HIP HOP TRACKS KOORI REP - The Reply Part.1 (TKO & RAYPITT DISS) 360 - Price Of Fame ft Gossling BodyTheBooth ep.4 - HUSKii WOMBAT - GASSED UP TKO - FTP Pistol Pete & Enzo ft. TKO, That Kid Kearve - WHATYAGONDOLAD (OFFICIAL VIDEO) TKO , RAYPITT - WEEKDAYS Fortay - Syncity (ft Candice Rhind) Bliss N Eso - Addicted |
Would still fuck Izz like a Kangaroo js
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Gavlyn feat. Reverie & Vel The Wonder - Looking Back (Prod. DJ Hoppa) |
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Cuban Doll is also decent, very hot, but an absolute cunt. She's actually extremely brain dead and made that very clear in her No Jumper interview. FUCK Cuban Doll. I'd rather bump to Asian Doll. |
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@Supsie I'm going so crazy over this chick dude like I would let her fuck me up while I called her mommy type shit..... GANG |
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Yea bro have sex with her hit her up via the youtube Gee, why not cuzz? let us know how it goes protect urself with the thots tho, at first i thought she was a albino African american too. HOLLA! |
Dope newish Underground track. Also a throw back from The jedi.. daam
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