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Rant 12-19-2017 03:07 PM

Are Russia targeting U.S. digital infrastructure?
 
Discuss.

Aggo 12-19-2017 03:21 PM

Isn't this a hard yes already?

Rant 12-19-2017 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Aggo (Post 1139778)
Isn't this a hard yes already?

I'll posit an additional question. Are they succeeding in their targeting of U.S. digital infrastructure?

Wayco 12-19-2017 03:39 PM

Every country, the US included, tries to hack and gain digital information. Even from allies.

Is Russia "targeting" US digital infrastructure? Thats pretty fuckin vague. Do you mean, gathering Intel or attacking it? Everyone, gathers Intel and spies on each other. That's normal. And I seriously doubt Russia's targeting the digital infrastructure. Because it would be quite easy for them to shut down sites and interfere with it in various ways. But we don't see that.

The whole Russian thing is partisan politics and war mongers trying to make a buck.

Student 12-19-2017 03:43 PM

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Genghis 12-19-2017 03:51 PM

I could be wrong.

As far as I'm loosely aware--Russia, under Putin especially, isn't exactly pro-democracy and they've been trying to devaluate it's legitimacy for a while through smaller scale operations like the ones you see on the internet targeting politics (i.e. Trump, Net Neutrality, etc.). They've been significantly more successful with Trump in the oval office.

If you haven't been keeping tabs on Mueller's investigation it definitely is starting to look fishy toward the whole "Trump-Russia" collusion thing. My bet is Trump is all doe, no dome and Putin made friends to help him succeed so he'd inevitably lead the the free world like the moron he is. Putin has his hands in a lot of pots they probably share i.e. real estate, oil, etc. Panama Papers, etc. making him a pretty easy target.

Rant 12-19-2017 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Lyve SCIENCE (Post 1139786)
Every country, the US included, tries to hack and gain digital information. Even from allies.

Is Russia "targeting" US digital infrastructure? Thats pretty fuckin vague. Do you mean, gathering Intel or attacking it? Everyone, gathers Intel and spies on each other. That's normal. And I seriously doubt Russia's targeting the digital infrastructure. Because it would be quite easy for them to shut down sites and interfere with it in various ways. But we don't see that.

The whole Russian thing is partisan politics and war mongers trying to make a buck.

Comcast experienced a country wide service issue on November 6th of this year. Perhaps we do see it, but, are not entirely aware of it.

Louie Dawgs 12-19-2017 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Genghis (Post 1139789)
I could be wrong.

As far as I'm loosely aware--Russia, under Putin especially, isn't exactly pro-democracy and they've been trying to devaluate it's legitimacy for a while through smaller scale operations like the ones you see on the internet targeting politics (i.e. Trump, Net Neutrality, etc.). They've been significantly more successful with Trump in the oval office.

If you haven't been keeping tabs on Mueller's investigation it definitely is starting to look fishy toward the whole "Trump-Russia" collusion thing. My bet is Trump is all doe, no dome and Putin made friends to help him succeed so he'd inevitably lead the the free world like the moron he is. Putin has his hands in a lot of pots they probably share i.e. real estate, oil, etc. Panama Papers, etc. making him a pretty easy target.

All true. Did you sign up just to post this? I mean, good work either way, lol.

Wayco 12-19-2017 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Genghis (Post 1139789)
I could be wrong.

As far as I'm loosely aware--Russia, under Putin especially, isn't exactly pro-democracy and they've been trying to devaluate it's legitimacy for a while through smaller scale operations like the ones you see on the internet targeting politics (i.e. Trump, Net Neutrality, etc.). They've been significantly more successful with Trump in the oval office.

If you haven't been keeping tabs on Mueller's investigation it definitely is starting to look fishy toward the whole "Trump-Russia" collusion thing. My bet is Trump is all doe, no dome and Putin made friends to help him succeed so he'd inevitably lead the the free world like the moron he is. Putin has his hands in a lot of pots they probably share i.e. real estate, oil, etc. Panama Papers, etc. making him a pretty easy target.

This sounds like a bunch of propaganda. Maybe you should read more and watch less CNN. Under Putin, Russia has become much more free and tolerant. The Russian Orthodox church is gaining in strength and the countrys economy is stable compared to pre Putin.

Russia has not been successful with Trump in office. Thats just based off pure bullshit.

Furthermore, collusion isn't a crime. Nor is there any proof Trump colluded with Russia. The internet colluded against Hillary. Because she's corrupt af.

Basically, your entire comment is utter nonsense you can't prove.

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Originally Posted by Rant (Post 1139790)
Comcast experienced a country wide service issue on November 6th of this year. Perhaps we do see it, but, are not entirely aware of it.

You're right, we're not privy to a lot of information. Anythings possible and I doubt we'd be told if they did attack a grid. I just dont think its likely. Russia wants to remain a super power and proxy wars keep their hands clean while draining US funds. And support. If they did attack us digitally I think using another state or org would be how theyd do it.

Louie Dawgs 12-19-2017 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Lyve SCIENCE (Post 1139816)
This sounds like a bunch of propaganda. Maybe you should read more and watch less CNN. Under Putin, Russia has become much more free and tolerant. The Russian Orthodox church is gaining in strength and the countrys economy is stable compared to pre Putin.

Russia has not been successful with Trump in office. Thats just based off pure bullshit.

Furthermore, collusion isn't a crime. Nor is there any proof Trump colluded with Russia. The internet colluded against Hillary. Because she's corrupt af.

Basically, your entire comment is utter nonsense you can't prove.

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You're right, we're not privy to a lot of information. Anythings possible and I doubt we'd be told if they did attack a grid. I just dont think its likely. Russia wants to remain a super power and proxy wars keep their hands clean while draining US funds. And support. If they did attack us digitally I think using another state or org would be how theyd do it.

Oh shit, we got a putinbot.

Yea, the economy in Russia is better than under Yeltsin, but a vast majority of that is related to oil prices and demand for Russian oil. The president/ruler of Russia has little to do with it. In fact, the way that Putin has guided the economy away from free market principles has actually stunted the growth of the Russian economy.

Human rights are worse in Russia under Putin than Yeltsin. The Russian Orthodox church is basically just another Putin propaganda unit. BTW, religion is typically antithetical to the expansion of freedom and human rights.

In terms of it's institutions and in terms of freedom Russia has done nothing but go backwards under Putin. Once the going stops getting good for Russian oil, it's going to be a fucking hellhole again.

Genghis 12-20-2017 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Louie Dawgs (Post 1139798)
All true. Did you sign up just to post this? I mean, good work either way, lol.

Oh I came to battle but I dabble in the politisphere every now and then. Nothing to adept tbh, more adept than whatever partiality lyve over here's been spitting though.

Trust me @Lyve SCIENCE I'm an optimist -- i've tried to like what's going on in the US, but it's hard to. :grass:

Louie Dawgs 12-20-2017 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Genghis (Post 1139897)
Oh I came to battle but I dabble in the politisphere every now and then. Nothing to adept tbh, more adept than whatever partiality lyve over here's been spitting though.

Trust me @Lyve SCIENCE I'm an optimist -- i've tried to like what's going on in the US, but it's hard to. :grass:

Be aware the most political discussions on LB devolve into conspiracy theories/nonsense pretty quickly. Did not realize that we had an RT enthusiast in our midst though, I think that's a new one.

Genghis 12-20-2017 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Louie Dawgs (Post 1139902)
Be aware the most political discussions on LB devolve into conspiracy theories/nonsense pretty quickly. Did not realize that we had an RT enthusiast in our midst though, I think that's a new one.

I don't doubt that haha. I do try to come into most discussions with logic and a grain of salt :high:

Denton 12-20-2017 08:06 PM

Soviet Russia will rise once more

Rant 12-20-2017 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Denton (Post 1139932)
Soviet Russia will rise once more

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Wayco 12-21-2017 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Louie Dawgs (Post 1139823)
Oh shit, we got a putinbot.

If by Putin Bot you mean not an idiot like yourself, thanks. If it's just a smear to discredit my opinion, suck a dick faggot. That gay shit won't work. And besides, dick lube, this post is about if Russia's attacking our digital infrastructure or not. Stay on topic. But I'll play devils advocate some.
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" the economy in Russia is better than under Yeltsin,
but a vast majority of that is related to oil prices and demand for Russian oil. The president/ruler of Russia has little to do with it."..
You're contradicting yourself within the first few lines. You can't even think this out coherently.

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In fact, the way that Putin has guided the economy away from free market principles has actually stunted the growth of the Russian economy.
Wrong, it may not be a real free market but Russia's seen GDP growth under Putin. Putin's also made policy changes that drastically reduced homelessness. There's also been a world wide recession. So, I don't see how you can blame one person for everything.

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Human rights are worse in Russia under Putin than Yeltsin.
Absolute bullshit. Yeltsin was corrupt af himself and the quality of life in Russia has been improving.
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The Russian Orthodox church is basically just another Putin propaganda unit.
What fuckin lie lmao. Russia was very anti religious PrePutin. Communists hate religion because it takes power away from the state. The Russian Orthodox church is not a propaganda unit for Putin. He's bringing religion back because he's a nationalist and the church strengthens patriotism in the country.
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BTW, religion is typically antithetical to the expansion of freedom and human rights.
No its not. Thats your opinion and not a good one. American Rights derive from religious doctrine. Almost all of the anti slavery groups and civil rights groups (that actually made a difference) were also heavily influenced by church doctrine. State controlled religion serves the state. That's different. But dumbasses like your self speak negative on religion while increasing the size of government. You basically want a giant federal government while complaining how bad it is. While also bashing any private institution. Not only do you want to limit freedoms you want to destroy any counter balance to the state.



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In terms of it's institutions and in terms of freedom Russia has done nothing but go backwards under Putin. Once the going stops getting good for Russian oil, it's going to be a fucking hellhole again.
Again, you just make shit up.


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