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yall need to kill both chatboxes quickly and disable PMs on this bitch these cats forgetting this place for fun and instead spending their time playing whisper middle school gossip games smh.

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yes i realize i painted myself into a corner by plueralizing suggestion smh i will think of more.

Yes..the chatrooms right now is overkill.

If people want to talk instead of battle, force them do it in the forums. That way the site will look active in the eyes of guests/potential members

Co-Sign, there's been 5689 shouts (messages) in the chatbox since May 24th which could've been forum posts or profile comments.

In comparison there was only 200+ comments dropped since then and not sure how many forum posts but I doubt it was more then 1,000

Closing those 3 outlets would force people to post publicly and boost forum activity ten-fold imo

why is student not in charge wtf.

I agree with close chats. Not PMs though

I gotta agree. I used to think the chatbox was dope, but really, it would serve the forums and overall site to axe it.

well shit now im intrigued who do you need to whisper to and about what that gonna make you miss that level of intimacy? im saying i could be wrong maybe im just not getting the good PMs you feel me?

Used to be totally against this, but I've gotta say if the chatbox wasn't there people would definitely be flocking to the forums more, but that doesnt look like what X wants considering the addition of chat rooms which is basically just another chat box lol

we'd also need to disable that or it would just become the new chatbox lol.

Yes, shutting off chatbox and IM access would boost use of the forums, but what would be the point? If they are gossipping in the chatbox, they'll just gossip in the forums instead.

what people comment might not be of particular substance, it is however in my opinion a reflection of activity especially to the new members.

If I was a guest (and therefore can't view any chatbox), clicking on the forum page and seeing stuff like '2 viewing' or threads that have maximum 3 pages of content, I will most likely assume that this is a dead community and no interaction is occurring.

BTW I am against deleting private messaging. Speaking from experience and I think most will agree, that blue folder icon translates to excitement (when first starting). In my opinion this could potentially bring in a few more new members and lets face it, that's what LB should be targeting. Current members will complain about the change, they complain about everything tbh, but they simply never leave

The only boost that truly matters imo is a boost in battling/voting. If this were a site where battling takes place in the forums, then I would more likely agree to your point. But the forums are mostly gossip/non-battle related threads. Just look at which forum is the most popular---General Talk. If I were a guest or prospective member, I would be coming here to battle, not to chit-chat, and I would be looking at the battle arenas to guage how active the site is. The forums are just an extra to LetsBeef, not the main activity. The main thing we have to focus on is boosting activity in the battle arenas.

your point of not everybody coming for same level of involvement is valid.

saying people wont see dead forum and run away cause you might not is not logical considering theres no good argument for keeping the chats in first place if you yourself saying no reason for chatting to exist bro.

I didn't say there's no reason for chat to exist....just saying it's not the main activity of the site, and I include the forums along with IM and chatbox in that statement. I do believe that, like myself, more people than not---discover LetsBeef from looking for a place to consume or post battle raps, rather than looking for a place to chat. Sure, we could 'look' a little more active by having a few more General Talk conversations that could otherwise have taken place on the chatbox or IM. In reality, we wouldn't be more active. We would only have shifted the same gossipy convos from one medium to another. I'm suggesting we actually figure out a way to BE more active where it matters---in the battling arenas. If you don't disagree with me about most people coming here initially to battle, you actually think that by making the forums 'look' a little more active, most people who actually come here with the intention of engaging in battle raps are going to see all the gossipy forum threads and think "Man, this place is popping. I should stick around and drop battles, even though what they mostly seem to be doing is general chit-chatting"?

i dont disagree that theres bigger things to focus on, when my engine misfiring i still put air in the tires though.

i think its weird you so confident about how people gain their first impression of this place i cant say same, im sure it varies?

still not hearing good argument why chat should stay, just hearing my idea not as effective as you would want.. okay i accept that i meng what suggestion you got for the engine misfires?

I'm not necessarily arguing that we should keep the IM and chatbox. I just fail to see the sense of replacing them with the forums because the forums are essentially the same thing to me as IM/chatbox---another medium for people to hold convos (or gossip). However, you guys seem to moslty agree that IM and chatbox should go, and because of that, I think the owners should listen to you. Maybe we can try it for a provisional period and try to measure any increases in the stats @Student brought up. The best case scenario for me would be an increase in battling /voting, but I doubt this will lead to that. Whatever. Let's give it a shot.

im thiking that impersonal way you look at this site in terms of just come here battle and no socializing is scary in terms of future of this place, if thats the way this place posed to be yall gonna die at the hands of shit like battle app, what you describe already exists in more convenient to access forms. i think value of the way this site setup is its easy to form a sort of community and thats how you keep people around imo. just throwing thoughts out there to try to help meng would love to see this place flourish. yeah i liked battling here back in day but i wouldnt have been as active if i didnt have a handful of cats cracking me up and inspiring me daily. just my 2 pennies.

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also a lot to be said about experienced cats helping guide the rooks, my spit game was way wacker before cats like spree floyd and illy pointed out where i was lacking, that type of shit makes people stick around imo.

While battling should be the main priority of the site, the community is also really important. I dont think any member of the loyal userbase LB has created over the years posted 5 opens then logged off only to repeat that process a day later. What gets people hooked on here are interaction (shit talking on forums especially), representing a crew (and shit talking with other crews via forums). Besides, the site has so many more tools than just battling and they all play a key role.

Looking at the recent battles and battles closing soon is an indicator to new members that battles are happening. They decide to sign up...then what? Just battling can get boring.. quick.The only issue right now is the lack of battles in the hotlist. If you are against closing the chat at least force people to vote to unlock it, afterall, five votes for a battle to hotlist isn't something hard to obtain. LB is easy to get addicted to everyone can second that. What are we getting new members addicted to though? Getting sniped by Bnas and Macc?

This isn't a direct message to NOBLE as you ain't opposed to the idea. Just throwing my thoughts out there so that the owners can potentially see

@OSKAR
It is a fact that community interaction and battling are the two sides of the scale that really keep this site alive, as even when we didn't have a single person at the helm of this place it stayed alive for YEARS via the community alone. The problem right now however is that this sense of interaction and community has dominated the userbase to the point that we just have a bunch of yesteryear members who turn letsbeef into facebook. This isn't an attempt to break down our sense of community, but to focus it into one place. The elimination of the forums won't exclude anything other than battling, it'll in fact hone non-battling activity into a smaller more focused point. Everybody will feel like taking a break every now and then, but if someone isn't not a fucking emcee anymore and hasn't been in years why the hell are they still here?


What this thread is suggesting makes sense, it's the reason why having 100 different subsections to the forums gives the look of inactivity, because if you just had three forums (TEXT/AUDIO/GENERAL) and cut all the bullshit there would be less clutter and look more alive. It's like having a huge mausoleum with a team of three janitors, when we could just downsize (i.e. what this thread is suggesting) and *actually* build up from there

That's what I am saying..'Loyal' members are indeed turning this site into facebook and would rather spend their time talking in the chatbox. My point is, since the chatbox is not available for guests, direct this talking into the forums to make the site look active in the eyes of visitors who are considering to sign up.

Shieet, I must've mistook your post then my apologies. Seems to be fairly unanimous here, hope X catches wind and we can hear his thoughts on this soon.

understandable since I drifted off talking about battling which was answering NOBLEs point about how the site should focus only on battling instead. I simply said that it's both cause battling random people can get boring fast. Shit talking in the forums gives an incentive to battle and try your hardest to beat the person you 'beefin' with

It's funny though. Every other site I can think of which had a CB was dead af and eventually died. And those were more forum based I.E they had to battle via the forums.

I wouldn't say remove it completely, but I would suggest a 2 week or 1 month trial just to see how it goes.

It can't get much worse tbph so why not give it a go.

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Truth is when I started (Yes it was because I wanted to battle obv) it was the community interaction that kept me here. I got more of a kick out of the feed and reaction (Both forum and battle/Track comments) Than the act of recording it self.

The motivation from some cocky fucker running his mouth in the forums or userplane. Inspiration and Ideas for bars from the back and forth banter in the forums. I could go on for days. Point is, I think you are severely underestimating the value of a forums activity.


Another thing. The 1st thing I checked was the forums. If this place was as dead as it is now I'd of never signed up. Just like the countless other dead ass sites I've checked out over the years.


I've always been an advocate for the forums. I mean it was me who who got the Gen Disc to the forefront of the forums rather than everyone using the Text Lounge, which was buried halfway down the list behind a bunch of graveyards lol.

As someone who's new to this site, what I'm mainly attracted to right now is battling and getting better by battling and voting on other people's battles. When a day passes and I haven't received feedback on my battle, it gives me the perception that the site is kinda dead. Looking through, not much seems to be happening, and both the Facebook and Twitter haven't posted in a while, so although y'all have a nice community going, the site itself isn't doing much to attract fresh faces-the community will keep them there. The site's great, but you'll probably need more then two votes per battle to keep people here in the short term. Just my thoughts, but it seems like a good community, and there's no other site like it (that I've found so far).

this x10

Another thing-
It looks like the vast majority of active users here are exclusive members, but I don't even have the option of going exclusive (I click the Upgrade button and it just says "Letsbeef does not have any paid subscriptions at this time), so I can't vote on tournaments, which seems like the most fun part of this site currently IMO.

(Also, the whole "crew" thing seems dead besides using it against someone in a punch)

@Pugz @Mindless @X hook this guy up with the exclusive, man's good and is active

Green Street is a good crew..if yall wanna get a crew battle in, MSicc is down

shouldn't he earn it, instead of just giving it out

I'll post a thread in the crew forum..We can get a 3v3 going and we can select our best new three members

Oh I didn't realize it was earned, I thought it was paid-I definitely agree that I should pay my dues, I joined this site two days ago...

Sounds great, currently the "open for votes" section is filled with unfinished battles from 2008 so I didn't even know that was still a feature lmao

I'm not sure if it's functioning either @AlphaBeta..I remember that they fixed or where going to fix it some time back but i dont know the outcome.

If the feature is broken we can still randomize the matchups, do the battles in the basic arena then add up the scores to see who wins

eyyyyy heres another quick one but this one minor tbh.

would be dope if i could some how see a list of what battles i have voted or commented on. i like to go back and see if someone talked shit to me but ridic to try to recall all the ones you peeped after you gone through several. as a shit talking cuban it is important to me to have the last word. hope im not being annoying im just throwing shit out there in case yall see value in it im not mad at all if these all get disregarded.

Could make it so people could reply to specific comments ie. FacebooK cooments. Then you could get a notification if someone reply ed to your comment on their battle.

:notbad3:

i could get jiggy with that. good stuff.

Will it ever get fixed tho?

Probably not

BUMPING THIS to see if people still feel the same way

Miami makeing a thread were at some were on a beach haha I'm in the country Ohio state,buht no letsbeef is a good website as it is

I agree with this. Although it'll take some getting used to, disabling the chatbox would help a ton with activity in the forums. I suggest we leave the PM's alone though.

i have to say this is a pretty fucking stupid idea. we need more communication not less. look at the places that are thriving. insta/fb/reddit. most of these have multiple ways to communicate with other users. the chatbox doesn't hurt anything, people casually discuss shit, and when they have something directly related to the site they can post in the forums. do you really want to see 1000s of 2gucci forum posts about nothing? best for the chatroom.

here's what i will say, our current system is outdated, in refference to the chat room embedded above the forums. it's get's the most attention but it's the least modern. the pm system here is decent but a bit small, and the chatbox featured with it is fucking terrible. i personally believe the best route is to embed the LB discord and ghost the others. it's modern, efficient, and relevant.

also, nobody is active at all much anymore. the issues is not a chatbox, per se, the issues is based on an outdated site, and a lack of adaption to the current frames of modern expectations. people want apps of their phone that are easy to use, and don't cost them extra fees. rapping is huge and battle rap is too. we need to capitalize on the interest, but treating letsbeef as just a site form battle rap might be an inherit flaw. i'd suggest it's best to view letsbeef as a social platform and try to engage that way.

Don't disable the chatbox wtf yo