White privilege in Rap???
 

Do you think some rap artists benefit from white privilege, or is that a ridiculous notion? If so, what does white privilege in Rap (or in the music industry at large) look like? Is there a black privilege?
Discuss.

You literally cannot speak on something like this in terms of a majority rule, because it's too dynamic in 2017. Sure. A white emcee has probably made it big or signed a really good deal with a significant portion of the reasoning being his skin color, but to act like that's bad or that black emcees haven't/aren't doing this very thing is incredibly short sighted & naive.

So yeah, legitimately every human is either privileged or at a disadvantage in any given situation due to their surface level attributes, be it how strong you are when a car is laying on top of you or if you're a white guy standing in front of an executive who REALLY likes white guys.

Beyond that, though. The idea that a black-centric artform that retains the self-awareness of their own previous majority oppression holds a trap card that if you're pasty then you've got these bolstered attributes is as hilarious as it is ridiculous to me.

I agree with you that every human being is privileged in one situation or another, although I would separate a natural privilege such as the strength to extricate one's self from under a car--from privilege derived from artificial and social constructs such as race. What do you mean by "black-centric?" I think I have an idea but don't want to assume anything. However "black-centric" the art form may be, I'm not so sure the notion that the industry could exhibit white privilege is so ridiculous. Consider this: the vast majority of consumers of Rap music are white. Go to any major Rap concert and look at the crowd. The majority of people who have been buying Rap albums, taking the art form to the level of popularity and viability...are white. This is before even considering who owns most of the major A&R's. If that is the case, is it so far-fetched that there could be consumer demand which favors what the majority of Rap fans identify with? How do you explain Iggy Azalia winning "Best Rap Artist" a couple years ago?

Can I ask the opposing question.. With most the fans and people paying for hiphop albums being white and co's as well, why would the majority of well known rappers be black if the ones with the money were choosing rappers based solely off their shared race? And, if the fans dictate who becomes successful should they also dictate who receives awards? I hear tons of stuff about Kendrick, Jay Cole, Nas, and mostly black artist being the proflic and greatest rappers. With the exception of Em. I think if Iggy's music wasn't catchy, produced well, and if she didn't have a big ass she wouldn't of got an award. But it's pop and the pop audience is usually superficial.

White privilege doesnt exist in any context and ive already destroyed every rebuttal noble's victim ass had on the topic.

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You don't have the mental capacity to "destroy" any argument I seriously choose to undertake...unless I'm speaking hypothetically or just playing devil's advocate like I've done in my response to babylon in this thread. You remember a lot of things, but you are also a chronic liar and revisionist. Why don't you post a link to where you "destroyed" me trying to argue white privilege and let people judge for themselves?

Idk, I think it might be the opposite. For example, Say Slim jesus was black, I doubt he'd get clowned or recieve as much hate as he did, especially standing there flaunting straps with a group of black people.it'd prolly just be known as another dope song up there with Hot N**ga. The come.up is for sure getting easier white folks though...just like in football when it was all white..now look at who the majority of the players are.

Then we can have the debate here.

Post all your reasons why white privilege exists, and I will then counter them and shoot every one of them down.

In Pop yes but not in rap.

I wasn't trying to argue that there is white privilege nor that there isn't. If I was, the OP would have been stated differently. It was rather an invitation to explore the subject and see what people think. You've stated you don't believe there is such a thing as white privilege. Do you mind stating your reasoning, or only if I'm willing to debate and argue for white privilege's existence?

So, you don't want to give an opinion? Huh?

Anyways, "privilege" is specific to a person and their situation. One white person's opportunities may be entirely different from another white person's. Or any race or situation.

It's an easier topic to "rebuttal" cause you need to gauge the crazy. Someone may choose to go down the police shootings / prison percentages sort of route, which has a bit more meat and some longer rooting discussions. Some might go down the MTV Encoded route and be insulted that employers are less likely to employ someone with a "black name" like Shaneequa or Sharkisha. All of it can be rebuttaled because they are at best sweeping generalisations, but some are more insane than others in the belief. For example Francesca Ramsey and Philogynoir are examples of batshit crazy racists.

I agree with you about Slim Jesus...that he may have been taken more seriously if he was black making the same music. I think this is where the concept of intersectionality comes in-that a person can be privileged in some ways but not in others.
According to Google:
priv·i·lege
ˈpriv(ə)lij/Submit
noun
1.
a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group of people.
"education is a right, not a privilege"
synonyms: advantage, benefit;
Do you mind explaining why you say privilege only applies to a person? So many simple things are considered to be "white privilege," that someone trying to argue it wouldn't need to go down the route of police shootings or incarceration rates. The simple fact that no matter what race you are, when you go to school, you will learn mostly about white history and white accomplishments...or the fact that if you get pulled over, you can be sure that it's not because of your race...simple things like that are considered manifestations of white privilege.

Shots :guns:

You don't benefit from say "not being harassed by the cops" if you're white and frequently get harassed by the cops. You don't benefit from "the gender wage gap" if you earn less than the average female in your field.

The reason you learn mostly about white history and white accomplishments is because there are simply more of those. Throughout a lot of invention, art and religion, typically the kind of topics covered in non-US education, black people were an oppressed minority and their ability to invent, create art or influence religion was greatly depreciated, so there were less noteworthy moments than there were from white people.

"When you get pulled over, you can be sure it's not of your race". What if it's because of my age? In this context, why is race such a massive huge deal? What about age privilege? Not a big deal eh? No MTV Encoded videos on that eh? Why not? If you were to check really any numbers, if there are any available, people getting pulled over are MUCH more likely to be of a younger age compared to being pulled over for a racially motivated thing. Also things like the type of car you drive, your dress sense, how you are driving. These factors rank waaay before race in the reasons people get pulled over. "You can be sure it's not because of your race", that is true, sort of. But you can't be sure that it IS because of your race. A lot of the time, if a black man is pulled over frequently, it'll be blamed on his race. Of course, cops must be racist. Why then, if a white person is pulled over equal or more times throughout the same time frame, is he in receipt of "white privilege"? He got pulled over more, where's the racial injustice in that?

The problem with "white privilege" is that it's saying "white people have these privileges because they are white" (would also like to interject that many who believe white privilege is a thing don't believe black privilege is a thing). White people, as a group, DON'T have those privileges. People get pulled over constantly in some neighbourhoods whilst never committing any crimes. If people wanted to extend white privilege to "SOME white people" instead of "white people" then sure, I could accept that...but in that case why the fuck would we be talking about it because SOME black people are very fortunate and privileged as well.

It's true that there are white people who get harassed by cops...but do they get harassed by cops BECAUSE they are white? If not, that could be considered a benefit/privilege when other minorities don't have the same benefit.

How can you be sure that there are more accomplishments by whites throughout history? Is it because that's what you've learned? Is it that others haven't accomplished as much, or we just haven't learned as much about others' accomplishments? Blacks were only enslaved (by whites) for about 400 years. That period represents only a sliver of their entire history. Surely that can't explain the reason why we know so little about black accomplishments. What about all the millenia before they were enslaved?

If people were getting pulled over or harassed on the simple basis of their age, that is a problem...and it would be a privilege to those who don't have to worry about that. Let's say we're both 22. We can both get pulled over for our age (if that were a thing), but in addition to that, I'm also more likely to get pulled over because I'm black. That's one less thing for you to worry about, and even though you can get pulled over for a number of other reasons, the fact that getting pulled over because you are white is not one of them would be considered white privilege.

You're not even sure if there are numbers available showing younger people are much likely to be pulled over, and even if those numbers exist and you are right, that doesn't prove that it is because they are younger. Conversely, numbers showing black people are more likely to be pulled over doesn't necessarily prove they are pulled over because they are black either. I've personally never had anyone tell me they got pulled over because they think the cop hates young people..so I'm not sure how prevalent that is compared to people who feel they are harassed by cops because of their race.
I agree that it's subjective...if that's where you're getting at. No one can look inside any officer's brain and pinpoint the exact racist neuron triggered across its synapse at that specific time to prove the officer pulled them over because of their race. I don't think it's about how often you're pulled over so much as WHY you are pulled over. A white person can be pulled over a million times, and if not one of those times is because they are white, it's still a form of privilege.
I don't think the people that say there is white privilege are saying it's an absolute thing where if you are white you will never get pulled over for any reason whatsoever. You could be pulled over because you have tattoos or match a description or any number of other reasons including the ones you have mentioned.

White privilege is a fairy tail.

Let's say SWAGGA LEE!! was OFFICER LEE, and Officer Lee was patrolling a predominantly black neighborhood that had a high amount of drug traffic. And most of the buyers were white but almost no white people lived in the area. Would Officer Lee give a white person a second look if he came across one? Because yes, Officer Lee, white people are targeted by police under that circumstance.

There were black civilizations that contributed quite a bit to early man. However, I've read extensively into certain periods and places of African history. And watched a few unbiased documentaries on the European colonization of Africa. My understanding is that much of black Africa is and was not conducive for large civilizations and that the European's building large cities is what creates much of the disease and starvation today. So Africans were living in a way that best suited their environment but also gave less room or need for inventions. As well as, other areas became trade hubs and along the Silk Road most ideas and knowledge were past. And naturally, who ever controlled key geographic locations would inherently have more information and goods at their disposal. The Greeks, The Muslim empire, and even the European renaissance owes a great deal of their accomplishments to access and ownership of the Silk Road and other trade routes.

This hypothetical doesn't make the age discrimination hypothetical any less true. Also, you don't know if you're being pulled over cuz you're black. It could be because of your age or another reason. That's just an assumption you made. I've read black males speed more often than many other groups, idk. Just as likely as your assumption.

Again, an assumption that you're pulled over for being black and another assumption white people are never pulled over for being white. I already gave one example why a white person would be pulled over another is if there's a description for a white male commiting a crime. I've been pulled over cuz a white male commited a crime near by many times, were all or any of those instances racist?

Well, if black people are pulled over more than other groups someone would argue, true or not, they commit more crimes. And if not all white people are given white privilege then it doesn't exist.

I think if a white person is pulled over that much it proves there's no privilege in being white and it makes your entire argument invalid honestly. I have 6 cousins including myself that's been to prison, not jail, actual prison. And every white friend from my hood, about 20 of us, have all been to prison. I find white privilege to be laughable. And white privilege means you benefit solely based on your skin color. That's an absolute, so either it's true 100% or it's a false belief.

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My closing argument:

White privilege is the concept white people are given preferential treatment by the police and government. By very definition it must be a universal absolute to be a truth. As the concept purely relies on one idea, that "white people are treated differently by the police and government". Which is observably false. As universally, white people are not afforded the same treatment or access to quality representation. Wether it be legally or politically. Thus, this is also demonstrably false by the white people who go to prison, fight in wars and go to college verse those that don't. White privilege is a false concept. Much of what's considered white privilege is actually class privilege and many mistakenly confuse the two. Another mistake many proponents of white privilege make are confusing a cop's or someone's personal racism with white privilege. Yes, a cop may pull you over cuz you're black but that's not white privilege. White privilege does not exist. It doesn't mean blacks aren't unfairly treated, it just means 'you' are wrong.

Ur tracks sound like fucken fairytales @Mr-Felon.

Woah kinda weird

lol. This track beef might spark that shit back up here haha

You gave a good example of a circumstance where it can be argued that someone is targeted by police specifically for being white. That does happen and it is as unfair as any profiling. However, it isn't exactly parallel with the type of harassment some people of color face all too often which don't require an extraordinary circumstance such as being a suspected custie in a drug neighborhood. You might be suspected of being a custie if you show up in a predominantly black community where hardly any other white folks live, but a black person would be suspected of criminality in way more scenarios than that. If you doubt that, then how would you explain blacks getting pulled at a higher frequency than whites?
When you say I don't know for sure that I was pulled over because I am black, you mean I don't have objective proof such as the ability to go in the officer's brain and pinpoint the exactly reasoning behind their pulling me over---something I've already acknowledged in my response to eth and something you would be correct about...if that's what you're saying. However, I would argue that someone can "know" something subjectively and possess truth without the ability to share it. Do you want to debate what constitutes knowledge? Let's say you're right and I don't know for sure that I was pulled over because I'm black. You don't know for sure that I wasn't. That means we're both in a position of ignorance as to the specific reason why I was pulled over. Just as two people can know something but one knows it more (for example, you might know math more than me), I believe there are degrees to ignorance as well, and that out of two people who lack complete knowledge of something, one has a greater lack of It. As the person who was actually pulled over and who went through the experience, I believe you (not being in my shoes) are more likely to lack complete knowledge of why I was pulled over to a greater extent.
My example of a white person getting pulled over a million times was a hypothetical, and I highly doubt any person (white or otherwise) has actually been pulled over a million times. How can that hypothetical scenario which Is not real and hasn't actually happened invalidate my argument and prove there's no white privilege? Look up the term "intersectionality." White privilege doesn't mean white people benefit from being white in all scenarios. Someone can be privileged in certain scenarios and not in others. Pointing out one area where they are not doesn't mean there is no privilege.
I don't believe in absolutes. I believe all truths are relative. That's another debate we can have if you're willing. White privilege can be a truth without being absolute.

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I can't speak for every proponent of the idea of white privilege, but I certainly do not state it as an absolute truth. Also, "white privilege" goes way beyond police and government. As I've mentioned earlier, just the fact that when we learn "World History" in school, it's disproportionately focused on Europe and its accomplishments....or the fact that you can turn on the TV and see people of your race widely represented. Not everyone has that benefit. No one is saying a racist cop pulling someone over because they are black is white privilege. They are saying the fact that you DON'T have to worry about that (unless you're a suspected custie in a drug neighborhood...lol) is a privilege to you. Yes, a lot of it can be looked at as class-ism, but one would be naive to completely discount race. You seem to acknowledge yourself that blacks are sometimes unfairly treated, and instances of white privilege go beyond class. Just because a person from a racial minority is affluent or upper class doesn't mean they are more likely to see people of their race widely represented if they turned on the TV. It doesn't mean that if they went to a school meant for everyone, they would learn more about their own race's history and accomplishments above all others. Being upper class doesn't change these things. And if you are black and upper-class, it doesn't mean you are less likely to be pulled over either. They just detained Wyclef Jean at LAX because they thought he robbed a gas station (which is interesting because he rapped about it years ago)...and he's rich...but he's also black. How many famous white people do you read about getting detained for being a suspected robber?

Why is not the same? And again you assume you're only pulled over for being black. Also, you forgot my other example.. White people are targeted by police when there's a white suspect. Or if the white person doesn't look like the other white people in the neighborhood. Both of which have happened to me numerous times. I've been pulled over cuz I fit the script lots of times. And I've lived in very wealthy neighborhoods that were a majority white and have been stopped cuz I didn't look like the other white people.

There's many reasons black people get pulled over more than white people and I'm sure some are because of racism. But that doesn't prove that there's white privilege. It just proves some police are racist. And I highly doubt a black person is necessarily always pulled over just for being black. I know a few black kids in med school who've never had police interaction. Not once between them. Yet, they would say police target all black males too. I think there has to be some sort of fault in this thinking. These kids all have parents who are doctors and grew up in the whitest areas of town. Subsequently, one of their sisters hangs out in the hood and has been pulled over a few times. But she would agree with me. So, not all black people have the same experience or same perception of their experiences. They're not a mindless collective, they're individuals.

I was going to rebuttal the rest of what you said but it's kind of redundant. Basically, no matter how much white privelage is debunked you'll latch on to what you can. Regardless, you can't even make a point without adding that it's not always true or that there may be legitimate reasons and racism isn't always the cause. But what remains true is that poor people, people without connections and little resources are always treated differently than those with means. I've been pulled over a lot for being white just like my friends that were white. Cuz where we lived whitboys did hella dirt too. I've been through the system, everyone in jail awaiting trial is innocent and everyone in prison already sentenced is the hardest convict ever, that'll happily tell you all the gangster ass shit they're about to do when released. And I know the term custie cuz I'm been on the east coast right on the block gettin it. Few in the game do what I've done or seen what I've seen and I'll leave it there. But it really irritates me to see people do dirt or run hella dope thru the hood then bitch up and act like hos when they get busted and talk about the system and this and that. They weren't crying that shit on the streets putting in work. So while racist shit does happen, it's doesn't mean white privelage is real, cuz it isn't. And European history? I was taught American history in school. Which included Native American history, the civil war, the civil rights movement, black history and there was black history month. Tbh Mlk was one of my favorite people by 5th grade. Cuz we were taught so extensively about him. Idk where you went to school, Europe? Maybe you mean, American history is predominantly about European Americans? Which I disagree with you completely for the reasons I just mentioned but also because a majority of the country was and is of European descent. When it comes to world history there's A LOT to cover and it's only a basic class with not much depth and you're taught mostly about great Empires, Kingdoms and wars. And the reason there seems to be more focus on Europe and Empires like The Romans and Greeks is because you live in the western world where much of our government, politics, philosophies and math were given to us by them. You could argue other places came up with some of the west's ideas first but we received the knowledge from European sources. Pythagoras may have been taught a great by the Egyptians but he still brought the sacred knowledge to the west. Also, if you go to china or anywhere else their history will be mainly about China. All countries try to make themselves the center of the world, it's called nationalism. Not white privilege. Just look at the different globes of the world per country.

I'm sorry you feel the way you do. We, as Americans were hella close to coming together but the school system is biased and the colleges are even worse. They take smart people like you and fill your mind with so much pseudoscience and half truths that we become divided on such trivial issues we miss the big picture and all that we agree on. I would suggest a huge leap back from the liberal indoctrination you walked into.

I didn't realize that Noble was black.

He said he gets pulled over for being black so I hope so. Cuz it'd be hella fraudulent otherwise.

I've been pulled over many times and I'm white :o

No offense but white privilege is thinking that white privilege doesn't exist... I've never been arrested or had a charge... but i have been handcuffed, thrown on cars, rib shotted, had guns in face all by the police... I've called jobs in college (when I had dreads) they tell me to come in cause they're hiring to start the process then when I get there get this stale look and get told they're not hiring... and I'm from georgia... if you haven't lived in the south and white... you don't know what racism is... you ain't never been black going into a neighborhood with nothing but confederate flags in every driveway and had those hicks yelling nigguh at you... if I had a dime for every time I almost got in a shootout because of shit like that I would have a record label right now...

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And it irritates me that alot of yall white people just think we just complaining to complain... the reason why horrible black rappers are so popular is because they push this subject matter... that all blacks pop pills, shoot nigguhs and disrespect women... look at love and hip hop... a bunch off black folks fighting and arguing acting like fools and phsycos... and black people look up to them... just like the gangster rappers... but all the white rappers are actually good or pop stars... that's white privilege in music... it's easy to make a dumb nigguh rich who will eventually go broke while at the same time influencing kids to be dumb nigguhs... while the real genuine artists are kept underground... just like the war on drugs... they shipped drugs to the ghettos and made it to where if you get caught with it you serving 100+ year sentences... all these illegal drugs were made illegal to criminalize a certain group of colored people... look it up...

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And a black person in a white neighborhood won't see that much police interaction cause police aren't as hands on in a neighborhood that rarely sees crime... I'm in atlanta... chocolate city... the only plus on my side of town is that we have alot of black cops but go a county over to cobb county (most popularly known as Crackers. Only. Blacks. Beware) where the top half is white and the bottom is mostly black and you have plenty of bad encounters with cops.... I've been pulled over atleast 7 times over there and I rarely go to that side of town...

White dude here. White privilege exists for sure.

I've been jumped for being white hella times. If you're from the hood you can't deny whiteboys get targeted for robberies and for other shit. And you talk of police brutality but I've been beaten down by police, been to prison on trumped up charges, been cuffed and harrassed countless times, have been charged with fake charges at least 5 times and at 16 I was kidnapped by homicide detectives, beaten and held against my will for 12 hours while they tried to force a fake murder confession out of me. Then I was just released in my boxers and socks wrapped in a plastic yellow sheet at 1:30am and walked home covered in blood. Don't tell me shit with "I've never been arrested".

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You probably come from a privileged background in general. Cuz whiteboys who grow up disadvantaged have zero privilege.

Ray Zeus, you aint never walked down a street in northern ireland wearing a celtic jersey in a rangers neighbourhood either.

The more I hear about white vs black racism, the more I think its so much less of an issue than sectarianism between protestants and Catholics.

Only white boys I've seen getting jumped were ones who talked too much... the others either acted black or just hung out with other black people who would defend them... of course you got black folks that hate white folks and of course you got white cops who respect black people... but majority black people are in poverty... if you're in poverty as well and white you're gonna get some experiences that we face cause cops see whites in the hoods as junkies or kids of junkies... but my point was with me I am highly educated and we'll spoken and basically a 6'2 teddy bear, but I still get profiled no matter how well I speak... or present myself... you are a one in a million case... black people going through this is a common thing... that's why we make up majority of the prison system even though it's a fact crime is give or take the same across the board when it comes to race...

Why would they need black people to defend them if they wouldn't get jumped lol?? Homie, I got passes to go thru hoods all over this country. And why would they need to act black? Is that a prerequisite for not getting jumped? Then you admit that things happen to white people and that some cops are good so where's the white privilege at? There is none. You're basically arguing my point, that there's classism and poor people are targeted by the state because they have little resources to defend themselves. And I'm not one in a million I know lots of white people that grew up the same way.

brah you're tripping... i said black people would defend them meaning they accept them as family... and it is white people in the hood raised around nothing but black people so they act according to how they grew up what's hard to understand about that? and truthfully i don't believe half of what you said... im just giving you benefit of the doubt but you don't know shit about the 'black' struggle... so if you're gonna be ignorant and tell a black man that he has the same rights as you in a system that has time and again shown that they want us caged in or dead? at the end of the day if you killed somebody and you blamed me and they had to take either of our words for it... theyd pin it on me in a heart beat... that's white privilege... white boy got off raping a woman and got probation and some community service cause the judge said "jail would ruin his life" that's fucking white privilege... yall had the fucking privilege to build wealth the last 400 years... we didn't get that really till 50 years ago... my moms is 53... that's fucking white privilege... you think cause you got it bad a couple times that thats proof that nigguhs is treated equal?? you need to open your eyes... or listen to one of these racist muh fuckas in the south... matter fact did you not witness the OJ trial??? people stuck on did he do it or not but fail to realize that shit was bigger than OJ ass... they got a cop on tape saying how they do nigguhs... and it wasn't no just him thing it was damn near the whole department... and you think we just complaining to be complaining... you tripping... and don't bother to respond cause if you gonna be ignorant to the blatant shit that goes on in this country ima be ignorant to your response...

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black and hispanics make up roughly 30% of the population... but we make up 60% of the jail population... this is even though every race commits crimes at the same rates... why do you think that is genius??? this shit aint no mistake... it aint no coincidence... it aint like we need yall help for shit... so i don't see why somebody telling you you have it better than us is soooo offensive.. when reality is as a group yall do... and its not even close...

I swear yall need to learn how to indent paragraphs if you expect me to read these novels

Im so mad im computerleas right now cause id fucking love to rip Ray Zeus' racist ass opinion in two.

The problem with OJ is he should of been executed. But white privilege kept a black guy out of jail after killing two white people.

I don't care if you believe me, you honestly sound like a bitch ass fool whose teeth id kick down their throat. I grew up in the hood. My homies were doing time at 12. Black people? You fuckin cock sucker, I was practically raised by a black family cuz I was kicked out at 12, 13 and 15. I've spent hella time in South Central LA (around all black people) and all through the West Side of Las Vegas. I'm an og, I fought side by side with blacks, I been to war you bitch. Then I quit the bullshit and did lots of charity work. You ain't even been to jail. Now, when I've been to jail around 20 times, been charged with fake crimes, been beat and tried to be forced into making a fake confession you say I'm lying lol. Yet I'm supposed to believe you. A sorry fat fuck who's never been locked up telling me blacks are under attack by whites haha.

Slavery.. blacks owned black slaves too, very few white people were slave owners, the north completely destroyed the south and their economy built on slavery and I'm Irish! You stupid fuck. My family came here around the year 1900, well after slavery was over. Many Irish were slaves themselves.

Lastly, all you've done is highlighted how poor people are targeted by the state, the state you want to make bigger haha. And yeah bitch it's offensive to me that some lame who's never been to jail is telling someone who lost tens of friends to gangs and prison that their experiences don't matter cuz their not black. All your statistics show poor people in jail. Get rid of color you racist teddy bear and all that remains is poor people being harassed. You're a fat dumbass.

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And to add to your "my word against yours" bullshit.. I actually had some random black dude sexually assault my friend in front of me and I jumped between them so two black dudes started to swing on me and I knocked one out, right into a coma, best feeling ever, and then whooped the other head up. Police show up and both black dudes lie (one the next day after waking up)* and say I started shit and attacked them with bats for no reason. There was no bat besides my first. Yet, even though my friend was sexually assaulted and I was attacked first the cops believed them and I was charged and arrested. And don't say I'm "1 in a million" Tf you think only 30 white people have been to jail?? Fuckin worthless idiot.

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This is your side!! Suck ah dick!



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In Vegas we click up. I'm from one of the original mixed race clicks in the city. Bloods, Crips, ***, SouthSiders, and whiteboys out the 107.. We were put down by the biggest gangs in the city. You'll never get clicks like ours anymore cuz of the tensions. Whiteboys like me did hella dirt but got educated and fought against racism just to get thrown under the bus by college professors, white liberals who've never spent a day on the block and black people who forgot who their allies really were. A few years before me and after, most of the white kids had to argue with their parents about having black friends, listening to rap, had to endure being called wiggers, made fun of on movies but did it and now rap is mainstream and a voice to the inner city for those who didn't know what was happening. There was a time rap was NEVER played on commercials, was ridiculed, called a fad, but white people connected with black people through rap and now look. There were hella cultural barriers that were destroyed. Yet, lately if I say anything that deviates from what's deemed acceptable I'm called a racist, told I don't understand and made to feel less than by kids who haven't done shit. Yeah things are fucked up in the hood, yeah judges are corrupt and get paid to lock up kids, from the prison industrial complex. Which I wrote an essay about in college (perfect score btw after hella help from the writing center) what about you? I know every talking point you'll make and the statistics behind them. White privilege is bought and paid for and you don't have to be white to benefit from it anymore. Cuz white privellage is only a term used when minorities feel they are being targeted by the state. But the state targets everyone. We have two main points of contention, You say there's white privilege and I think there's instances of personal racism and that institutional classism disproportionately affects black people because so many fall below the poverty line and they don't have enough resources to successfully fight against the state. 2) You think there's a vast conspiracy of whites trying to hold you down and I think the prison industrial complex works with the government to lock up minorities and all people as a way to make money for them and their friends. While simultaneously asking the government for more resources to be given to the departments, courts and state and government agencies where they work. The more people they lock up the more money they get in their pockets and a bigger budget and authority for their post. That's why I'm not a democrat. Only someone blind to reality would vote for a party whose main goal is to increase the size of the government oppressing you.

Lyve isn't playing around lol

A bitch ass fool who teeth you'd knock in... lmaoo 20 times?? Lmaooo you think some Vegas chump scare me brah? Cause I haven't been to jail? Brah I guarantee you it wouldn't go as you plan... but fuck all that keyboard warrior "I can beat yo ass even though I know I'm not gonna see you" bullshit... but how are you literally gonna agree saying that they lock up black people for profit... but there's no white privilege? And if you were locked up over 20 times it seems like you was just a dumbass running the streets doing dumb shit... and the police fucked with you cause you stayed doing dumb shit... that's no coincidence... and you think cause I'm educated I'm soft? Trust me when I say I've done shit I regret... but one thing I know is that a real "OG" don't go on the Internet airing their dirty laundry to look tough... youre trying too hard brah... you lived in Vegas brah... where it's 60% white... get da hell on with the stretch the truth shit... all you proved to me was you're a dumbass... saying why you don't vote Democrat don't mean shit to me... all you're doing is showing me you'd rather benefit people way above your tax bracket than your self... parties ain't shit but a way to divide people... vote for the politician not the party dumbass... and I bet you voted trump too... smh can't say too much about that since I'm joining the navy in a month... big brother always watching but to wrap it up... basically you're a fraud, and even if all this is true you're just an idiot, and another thing what's your name since you have all these charges? I can look it up on police records if it's really true

My government name? Suck another dick. People know me and they'll tell you I ain't the one to fuck with. And most my arrest were between the ages of 14 and 17 when real gangsters start doing shit. Cuz by 18 you should be ballin staying out the light, at least by old school standards. Right now, I'd be dumb going to jail and committing crimes cuz I'm older, smarter and have legitimate sources of income. Besides, I told you I've been arrested 5 times unjustly so that leaves 15 actual good arrests. Which isn't a lot where I'm from. You're slightly educated and highly indoctrinated id say. And I'm not republican, I didn't vote Trump but I support him over Hillary and over any neocon. Tf you mean vote who ever? if you vote democrat you're voting to increase the size of government. Sorry, I'm not voting to increase your oppression bruh.

My adult arrests include.. lol if you seen my charges you'd look stupid af questioning me.

you still look stupid af tbh... a criminal record doesnt legitimize you... it legitimizes you of being an idiot... only idiots glorify going to jail... and in 3 years youve been to jail 20 times? with major charges that would make you look like a "gangster"... lmaooo youre a joke brah... and im highly doctrinated? going to school in the south in a black community? they don't teach us shit... ive been to 4 colleges... my knowledge comes from places other than a GED or a highschool diploma... youre just a case of white kid listening to too much NWA and wanted to be gangster with all the other kids... got in trouble a couple times for some petty dumb shit... and now feels like he's got some "street cred" that shit don't impress me... i was raised around real killers... and was smart enough to still end up with scholarships out of highschool... you just fell victim and fell for the okie doke of becoming a dumbass hoodlum... and i don't wanna hear that "i had no other choice" bullshit cause as broke as i was growing up you aint got an excuse... so this convo just proved that A. You don't see your privilege cause youre the lowest of the low.. and B. Proves that even though you were arrested however many times you just made up... we were treated the same when i wasn't caught doing shit... i can't believe you just said "i had 15 good arrests even though 5 was unjust" lmaoooo... bro what did you expect??? they got 15 good cases on you and you think they wouldn't fuck with you if they assumed you did some shit?? lmaoooo

So I'm an idiot. Cuz I've been arrested 15 times? But a black person is a victim if pulled over once? You'll say they're innocent and I'm guilty so it shouldn't be the same. But one, you're just assuming a hypothetical persons guilt and two, wouldn't you agree a lot of people start off innocent and as the police build a paper trail on someone they have less credibility in front of "their peers"? And probably have a higher chance to be arrested and convicted? Especially, if like myself, one was on their own as a teen, it'd be easy to start a criminal record on them with something as minor as breaking curfew. Then something minor like possession of weed. Before you know it, a kid who lived in a bad area but was pretty good is slowly institutionalized. And it becomes harder to find jobs and all that time spent in juvenile just introduces them to real criminals with other methods of getting money. If this isn't a likely scenario then please explain to me how blacks are targeted and preyed on by institutional racism and white privilege again?

I never glorified anything, I tried to exemplify my point with shit I've been through and show the hypocrisy in your thoughts. And I said arrested 20 times in my lifetime. I'm not a gangster cuz I was convicted, I lived that life. And I don't cry like a bitch for the time I served. Even though a lot of what I been charged with was trumped up and exaggerated.

Yeah it shows, what social media and YouTube?


I did listen to too much NWA. Drank hella 40s in the hood, got into shoot outs too. But my first homie to ever get smoked, died while Grave Diggaz 6ft Deep played in the stolen Infinity. I was 15. Ever seen one of your homies blood on your face in a rear view mirror?

LOL not impressed at some more shit YOU never done. You've always been the bitch or the rat in the crew apparently. But I would ask if you've ever shared a cell with a murderer? Maybe someone who killed his whole family? Or another person who killed the crack dealer and stayed at his house smokin up the crack till the police came a few days later? Maybe someone who blew a few people's heads off with a 12 gauge? What about a guy who thought Jesus talked to him and told him to kill his wife and kids? What would you do if put in that situation? You think crack heads and weirdos havent been working out every day for years too? What would you do, would you sleep?

So which is it, are you indoctrinated with honors or are you self taught?


Now answer this, are you running with killers or not? I'm a dumbass hoodlum but you runnin wit them SHOTTAS! Fake ass. And what's your argument for blacks facing so much prison time if not a system in which a large percent of the community is pushed into poverty and crime? Either my example (myself) is plausible, at the very least, to have been conditioned to be a criminal by proximity to ghettos and criminality or your idea of systemic racism holding black people back is not real. Cuz if black people can be trapped in the system and conditioned with these methods then so can anyone else. Unless, you think this can only happen to black people?

So if I had 100% choice in what happened to me then why didn't all the black people in prison have the same choice? Or do you mean most the black people are innocent in prison? And yeah you really grew up with killers lol... but if you could stay out of jail and become a Rhodes Scholar, why can't all black people? And I said good arrests meaning that there was actual shit going on, not that I was guilty. I only have 5 total convictions and 2 are bullshit. See I was robbed once and pistol whipped the shit out of one of them. I wanted a lawyer when police arrived and the guy who I fucked up talked to the police.. who do you think was charged? Bitch. The second time I was jumped and won and I was charged. Honestly, I feel all the bullshit they charged me with made me look bad at court and winning at trial woulda been nearly impossible. But now that we've established that I have a large 'arrest record' you would just assume my guilt and throw the book at me. Let's just hope that no black person whose been walked on by the system ever gets your Uncle Tom ass for a juror. Pussy.