What's the pont in throwing punches if they're
 

Not directed at your opponent?

I get the vibe on here that no matter what, people will/would vote for the guy "attempting" to throw punches against the guy roasting the fuck out of his opponent creatively using zero punches.

Whats the point if the punches aren't in direct reference to the opponent and or they are just formulaic, cliche'd said a million times before 1 size fits all punches.

Where's the creativity in that.

This idea that you have to be seen to be at least throwing punchlines, no matter how poor they are is contradictory to what the site is about. Creative writing.


You're supposed to be battling your opponent, not the voters.

But you can bet your bottom dolla that the guy clowning his opponent creatively while showing imagination and wit without a punch in sight will be fighting a losing battle against a corny run of the mill INDIRECT puncher before the votes even come rolling in.

So now what you have is a bunch of clones scared to step from the norm because losses.

You don't think that's wrong?

How do you expect so many personal punches when this is an online rap battle site? We know probably 2% of all of these people's lives besides their antics on here, which in-fact are all abused during battles. So using creative structures to come at a person, even if it's almost indirect but it's still coming at a person in general (which is your opponent in that case), is a more impressive way of getting at someone. If someone's using fresh, personal shit and they can mix it w/ creativeness, of course that's better. Not always the case though because we don't know each other or have any dirt.

It could be something as little as their user name, place of origin, avatar, something they said in their verse for you to hone in on to pick apart to the fullest by using your own imagination and creativity in order to make him look stupid (No punch in sight)

And poorly worded generic punch guy will win or atleast run it way closer than it ever should of been... Because 1 guy threw punches.

I'm not talking about the upper echelons of writers on this site clashing. I'm talking about sup par played poorly worded punch guy (up to average at best) beating no punch guy who does what he does a damn sight more cleanly and creatively guy because "1 threw punches"

And you're telling me if generic punch guy can pull an irrelevant indirect make believe punch out of his ass that the other guy needs personal information to attack his opponents character?

Imagination.

Like I said, using their avatar, location, etc.. has all been done before most likely. Making up a creative concept like say.. ''Weeding him out for blowing smoke'' as a shitty example, ''him'' could be anyone but in that battle it's you or the person you're battling. I know it seems silly, but you got to think of the lack of knowledge of everyone we have. And I completely agree with your punch reference, I think creativity trumps a whack punch.. ''One had more punches'' is my biggest pet peeve for the most part. That's basically saying ''Quantity>Quality'' which is ridiculous.

better question.. whats tha point of throwin punches if no-one is voting on them?

Yup..I've wasted decent bars against no ones for no gain. Only voters are the new guys. FVC is redundant which is stupid. How im not in it is ridiculous.

You only can use a persons obvious profile so many times before it becomes played.. after the nth battle of someone talkin shit bout john does avatar which was never changed will grow redundant.. only idiots say any form of nameflipping is whack or played ..if you can get a creative word combination out of someones name ,then thats 'getting personal in itself... and its the foundation to directness to your opponent... other than that .noone wants to look thru a comment to find detailed shit to try to bleed dry every minute personal you can think of... the best approach is to mix easy to grasp personals mixed in with random punches..because randoms are infinite.personals arent

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The point gets missed entirely.

Vintage L.B.

I think what corb is trying to say is....

You bitches are more into shit that doesn't Land GREATLY yet it's "creative" or whatever but pretty much give small credit to actual insults and shit that attacks wayy more and has meaning BUT lack all of the elements such as multies, punchlines, etc..... But they Shit would make more sense than the other verse with all the not so direct punches. People just take in criteria & feedback the wrong way and think like "hmmmm.. how will I impress the voters with this verse?... oo oo I'll make a punch about his dead mother that never died but they'll believe she did because my verse said so."

"or should I up my multies by adding this here filler pretending it works with the bar because it has some similarity."

For example... Look how Murda Mook shined over Loaded Lux.... Lux brung punches, wordplay, schemes, all this other shit that you fools blossom over and still lost to A nigga who was simplistic yet strong.

If that was a LB battle, Lux would've 110-0'd Mook.

Someone who gets it. People are given points for effort over actual execution just because they allowed themselves to be dragged into a particular style of writing by stubborn voters and their rigid judging criteria.

By doing that you're enabling the poorly constructed writer to continue posting horrendous material (Because atleast he threw "punches") by giving him wins. The old saying "If it aint broke" (Which technically it clearly is)

All while discouraging the guy who knows his current limits so sticks to them and plays to his strengths thus producing a much more well rounded and polished cleanly written verse than his opponent, all while attacking him (in different ways that aren't punchline orientated) by handing him an undeserved loss because, "gotta throw punches"

Well thats the way I been taught and am doing and im not winning that many so....think the point is kinda invalid.

That's a bit of a flawed argument.

How does a record make my point invalid? This is something that can only be debated by looking at the battles and votes themselves. Your record in this argument means about as much as using Bnas' record as a measuring tool to determine his writing skill.

Its a give in that a better cleaner verse should get the win.but if the punches arent that strong Youll still be taking Ls regardless of how personal or complex

Against who? Everyone?


And I'm talking about very specific types of scenarios where guys are out performing (Attacking) their opponent but are losing votes to the weaker writer offering up a jumbled up mess because the loser "didn't throw punches" in the L.B sense.

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And 1 more thing. Whats this big deal with punches when over 90% of them are shit?

It aint hard to come up with this garbage.

you're the GOSSIP TYPE so keep TALKING LIKE I wont 'prove you're toothless' and lacking any SORT OF BITE once I make you 'pipe down' without a ROCK IN SIGHT /

This shit aint complex, it aint rocket science.

Yet shit much worse than that both in idea and execution of wording and flow FILLING THE BOX will get votes just ..... because thats how we do how dare you veer off the formulaic path.

You best throw a punch I don't care how much you butcher it you will conform or suffer the consequences .

I agree with you that alot of dudes cant get the wording right here. Problem is that its at a point where almost noone here can differentiate and are conditioned to vote a certain way... because contests are determined by voters and unfortunately if you continue taking heat for the way you write, you obviously will switch up even if it means sacrificing what actual polish u may have had... noone wants to be 0-15 with the most solidly sound verse... its human nature..

But alas the original point of the thread was personals vs. Random punches.. its now a different topic..

to be honest, i don't think the new voters know what punches are, and thats the problem..how are you going to base your vote on something you don't understand? sure, you mention it in your comment, but only because thats the only feedback being used at the moment

Thats my fault. I also meant what we're discussing now (execution in wording ect) It's suggested in the OP I just wasn't clear enough.

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I can relate to that. I see it all the time and think the same shit when I read peoples votes.

Give an example of both styles mentioned in the OP, please. Then I will be back with a remark on OP, and the topic at hand. Thanks.