Should X-Calibur be banned?
 

It has been brought to my attention that, for his actions in IM'ing me to vote on his battle, he has been issued nothing but a warning. First and foremost, is it not true that he has received warnings in the past for his illegal actions concerning the site rules? To my knowledge, he has even been, in the past, banned for this very same offense. Why, then, now that he is staff, is he magically allotted sanction from the site rules? What is the point in having a governing system of rules at all, if they are not enforced for EVERYONE. Lockhart was banned for this very reason. As was Grizz. Why were they not granted the same amnesty for this behavior that X-Calibur was? Why, now, is there this inherent double standard concerning staff? He has clearly shown, not only a lack of understanding about the rules, but, a habitual behavior in breaking these very rules appointed to the site. Does this, mean, then, that I now am allowed to IM someone promoting my battle? No, of course not. So, why, then, should the behavior be deemed acceptable by another individual, simply because they are a member of the staff?

Anyway, poll added. Vote, or don't. I don't give a fuck.

Be honest. Do you REALLY care about this or are you doing it for yourself for 1 reason or another?

I legitimately care about the upholding of the rules on the site. I do my very best to abide by them, and I find it unfair that another member is allotted amnesty from these rules.

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I also strongly dislike double standards, which I'm sure also plays a partial role in this instance. Aside from that, I have no ulterior motive here.

In all honesty I feel a warning was being a bit too nice...as a staff member of the site we should be held to a higher standard than that of regular users,also if a staff member is unclear of the rules after being on this site for 7 years.....I find that was a cop out rebuttal regardless I feel a ban would have been a worthy course of action.. no hate but a rule is a rule

I agree. Maybe they are planning on changing the rule.

And I can see why you view it as a double standard. It's hard not to.

Do you not think that what a person offers to the site should play a role?

Within reason of course.

You got guy who does nothing but be a dick and constantly breaks the rules. He's no benefit to keep around and you KNOW he was being shady.

Then you got guy B who is a mod who is contributing and trying to improve the site and help out and made a stupid mistake (Do you think what he did was with malicious intent?)

I get what you're saying. But not everything is black and white

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I agree. But I'd be very surprised if he did it again. Plus this will give him an extra kick up the ass to get into gear.

I'm sure if he does it again. He will be done. You only get 1 chance at shit. He wont get the benefit of the doubt again.

Rant ain't on the wrong but X-Cal might have thought that since mods are allowed to be pm'd they can also pm. I ain't excusing his actions, I'm just saying that he might have misunderstood the rules I ain't disregarding that.

the way i see it is that xcal WANTS the site to improve..he contributes ideas, he tries to improve voting with his tourney but recent incidents have shown that he lacks the behavior of a mod. It'd be stupid to lose someone with a vision like that BUT it also looks bad to let him go freely cause I do agree. Rules are rules and should be applied to anyone no matter what color name they have or what their name actually is

Oh and Grizz and Lock make X-Cal look like the virgin mary.

a poll isnt gonna do shit, no justice. the decision has been made and we are too insignificant to "the man" for our opinions to matter.

Not if person B has a history of similar offenses, no, I do not.

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Also, Grizz I can understand. But, does Lock REALLY make X-Calibur look that good?

So seing a guy get banned in expense to the development of the site pleases you more? I'm with Just C on that one.but if we decide to ban the dude I'd be with that to

I can understand your view point in the top portion. But, one would presume that he would know this information, if by nothing else alone, the lack of mods doing so.

Another note, which I have mentioned already, is still the history of these types of offenses by him. These two things, coupled with the length of time he has been a member of this site, lead me to believe that he should very well have known better.

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It doesn't please me at all to see him banned. But, I am DISPLEASED by an individual member of the site receiving special treatment for offenses, that in the past, have resulted in immediate bans.

You see? We can't be 100% clear on the situation. Some people want him banned some others don't. It's a difficult situation so imo we should all accept the WARNING given as the best possible action. I assure you that X-Cal will be monitored heavily from now on and the slighest fuck up will cause him his position

It's not special treatment because he is a mod, it's because he is a mod that we are unsure of the situation. As I said he might have thought he is allowed to pm since he is allowed to be pm'd. Please see a warning as the best solution to this problem and let's move on from this

Lock had numerous accounts for self voting (just as grizz did, to a lesser extent). Then he got banned for the same shit we discussing here.

Thats a lot worse than recycling 1 bar in 7 years and asking someone to vote on a battle in IMs. albeit twice, including now.

It was incredibly naive but it's all about perspective.

Grizz and Lock premeditated what they did making it 100% shady. So even if its minor. You're shady in my book when caught again, so any benefit of the doubt goes out the window. Ban.

You know as well as myself that he wont do it again, or atleast if he DOES. he will be demodded and banned.

He contributes and wants to continue doing so. He deserves 1 chance now that he is a mod to buck up his ideas. But only 1. In the long run the site will benefit more from him being here as a mod than if he's banned. IF he heeds the warning and sorts his shit out. If we just ban him we'll never know.

I was not aware of Lock's self voting.

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I do not, however, have any knowledge of whether he will do so again. He has already shown it to be a habitual trait. I feel very strongly that he likely will do so again.

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In what way are the circumstances of the situation relevant? "Ignorance of the law, is no excuse for breaking it."

I also said or.

Tell me you think he will get away with it again. You're a smart guy. You know full well that shit wont fly a second time

It depends on who he IM's.

Thats a fair point. tbh though, with the way people jump at the first chance of exposing people on here (Nothing wrong with that it's required to keep the site clean and fair) I think chances of him being put on blast are high enough. People will be ITCHING to catch him out now. especially when he's a mod.

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Also just because someone doesn't expose him, doesn't mean he can't be caught doing it again. and XCal knows this.

Honestly either way if he gets banned or not he'll be known for this alone for a while.


Pretty good punishment if you ask me, but he still fucking cheated. He should be delt with just as any other repeat offending person who asks for votes should, in my opinion.

"Ignorance of the law is no excuse"

Bullshit why would hit up a fvc member for an unfair vote potentially getting yourself and the fvc mwmber a bad name?

Its not like he's hit his buddys up asking for votes.


A bit of common sense is always preferable to rules...

Lol'd @ e-encountered.

I don't really like how it was handled behind closed doors. There should have been a thread made explaining the reasons for X-Cal being only given a warning, for which I'd most likely have accepted.

Imo.. xcal made a mistake thinking that as a mod he was allowed to remind an fvc member of a battle he posted on the fvc threads...in which case it was his..he has never been a mod before and sometimes shit like this may seem obvious to others but maybe he simply wasnt sure because of his new position..imo hes trying to help out the site and this brain fart shouldnt condemn the good...warning should suffice. After this tho... xcal u HAVE ZERO EXCUSES...

Shits like a cop not knowing the laws he uses to arrest people... smh.

Lemme ask u this then.. if you were a straightlaced cop who tried to uphold the law as best u can.. but was having extreme financial hardships to where ur children wife were suffering and during a raid found a large amount of money hidden that only your partner knew about... he took some and offered u some as well. Noone would ever know..what would u do?

I obviously see where you're going with this, but it's BS because you're entering too many factors that aid to the side of which one would take the money.

Being a lowly paid government worker with a wife and child that was physically suffering in no way can be equated to being a mod on letsbeef and not knowing one of the most clear f*cking rules it has to offer, sorry mate.

I mean if this was the first time dude had ever broken a rule a warning would be fine, THAT'S what warnings are for. To WARN people who don't know the rules. But when you get banned for something, it's not like it's just going to slip your mind. You don't just get banned for a website for something then come back and say oopsie and do it again saying that you forgot that it was a rule. How the fuck do you mistake something you've been banned for? The hell kind of logic did you guys even use when you conjured this bullshit?


It was a mistake. That's the point, and the entire reason he deserves to catch an infraction. He made a mistake, and he broke the rules. When you break the rules, you get infracted. Am I wrong in anything that I said in the last three sentences?

I'd geniunely like to know, because if I ever do this shit "mistakingly" and catch an infraction for it I'm going to fucking explode.


That's just my 0.2 cents, though. Meh.

Oh you'll catch and infraction don't worry about that. This outburst wont be forgotten.

See now an infraction was fine.


But and infraction? Jesus, I may as well just delete my account now.



That was uncalled for, C. :(

This. Pissing off the people in charge isn't w/o consequences anymore.

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Whoever actually is doing this can suck my cock.

I hope you're not implying I was like that @Crysis

I'm confused. Did he pm y'all to vote "solely for him" or to get votes on the battle itself?

Says he doesn't give a fuck..

Creates a poll to get people opinions.


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X-Calibur was turning out to be a promising mod and I honestly think it's ultimately a loss for the site to remove him from his duties at this moment. However, rules are rules and they apply to everyone. I believe he genuinely assumed that since people can IM mods for fair votes, mods can IM people as well. He's been stripped of mod privilege for the time being.

You got handed your own ass,your ass in your own hands,go to the bathroom with it

X-Calibur was doing good for the site before this. Call it new mod keenness or whatever but its a fact.

I still dont get it though. Whats the harm in asking a FAIR voters club member to check their thread? What actual harm can that cause?

None. It looks like to me he only got in trouble cause others have done the same thing an got in trouble for it, and every one gotta be equal an shit no what im saying? :high:

There should be more clarity on the rules. Sometimes common sense should prevail though imo.

Its seems an okay thing to do on the face of it.