Ambrose vs Rollins Tonight
 

Who watched ? Hands down Raw's dopest match in a while.

^This.

Agreed. They real as fuck for this

hello of a match, beyond tired of Kane tho

You have to feel bad for CM Punk. Dude leaves....it's huge...and WWE has it's best year in a decade.

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This whole Daniel Bryan cheating storyline is ridiculous, and DBry agrees.

Why in the hell is the cheating shit even there?

No idea. Daniel Bryan did an interview saying it was stupid. I'm only watching it now. Just got to the part where they debuted the new championship...which was the old championship.

D Bry always get stuck with the shitty storylines..

Btw: Cm Punk did an interview stating that he was never coming back. Idk if he was joking because of the smile but he sounded convincing.

Punk retired for several reasons, so he might well never return.

He said his body was absolutely battered. To be fair, when you think about it, indie wrestlers wrestle like once or twice a month. In WWE, people could be wrestling 4 times a week (Smackdown, Raw, Superstars and Live Shows).

He also had his problems with creative and the proper suits.

I hope one day he returns to ROH. It's what made him what he is and Punk's the kind of guy who could pull a Hogan/Bret Hard move.

I'd like to see Punk in TNA.

As a side note, this was a pretty good match. Dean Ambrose is one of the best talents in WWE, right now, and they are developing him really well. While still allowing him to maintain the character traits he had in his indie gimmick.

Fuck Kane, though.

Edit:

The Daniel Bryan cheating storyline has been done. Like, six months ago with AJ Styles.

Punk would single-handedly turn TNA in to WCW at its peak. There's been something missing with TNA for years (even when Hogan tried to give it life), but I think Punk would be a MAJOR X-factor (pun intended) in bringing TNA up to compete with WWE.

EDIT: Granted, I, personally, think bringing Hogan to TNA was the worst thing TNA ever did.

TNA is doing an ECW storyline. So, it wouldn't be a stretch for Dixie Carter to bring CM Punk in.

That makes it even better. Old ECW or New ECW, though?

Lol. Both, actually.

Wow haha. New ECW was lame.

You can thank Vince McMahon for that.

I am done defending TNA.

In 2009, TNA was an absolute landslide better than WWE. They also got it right with the whole Aces and Eights angle.

Now it's terrible. EC3 is their best signing in ages and he was 50 times better in WWE. Wolves are an alright signing but they are a bit stale in character, where as Davey Richards was fairly badass in ROH. The womans division is gone, the tag team division is much worse than it used to be, and now Bully Ray wants out.

CM Punk will NEVER go to TNA because they are stupid. Everything to do with Hogan, Bischoff and Russo, 3 guys you DON'T want in creative control of your company, has absolutely drained TNA of everything it once was. I hope it goes down and WWE can take back the interested ex-guys they had and ROH can get the X-Division.

That stomp though.

Also, lol @Punk being able to bring TNA to the same level as WWE

Punk can bring ROH up a helluva lot closer to WWE.

John Cena couldnt bring TNA into the conversation.

There is no way another company can get close to WWE. Face it, It's been so many years and the WWE still monopolizes the wrestling industry.

And what do you expect punk to bring? His ratings were low as fuck during his title reign, he rejected a match with HHH at WM30 cause he wanted to main event (Imagine how he'll react to a contract offer from ROH...Ye he ain't going back), Plus he hasn't really done anything entertaining in years. His matches haven't looked good recently, he's sloppy and lazy you can see that every time he stepped in the ring b4 he quit. EG: GTS's that hit his opponents in the ribs, roundhouse kicks that barely reach the other's shoulder....dude was to lazy to lift his own leg. Glad he's gone

Financially there can be no way, but there CAN be a show on mainstream TV pulling in a lot of viewers which the entire internet turns to watch. WWE obviously give a massive fuck about the IWC to bring in all the indie wrestlers they have.

Punk was still the most over guy in the company. Still would be upon return, closed in on by Bryan.

ROH isn't WWE though. ROH is home to Punk. He rejected the match because it was bullshit for him.

I never though his matches were great tbh, and thought he was a bit overrated on the mic, but it didnt change his overness.

So you telling me that 'one' over guy can help ROH financially?

Why wasn't that the case with Kurt Angle, Bubba Ray, Jeff Hardy and Hulk Hogan when they were in TNA?

Kurt Angle was one of the best wrestlers in history.
Jeff Hardy was over AF
Hulk Hogan is/was the biggest name in Wrestling.

If CM Punk returns to ROH, then ye...they might sell some merchandise and some people might tune in to watch but ROH won't even get close to WWE. Let's not get carried away

What OSKAR said..

Also TNA has never been able to come close to WWE's worst viewrship ratings with all these name. I don't think Punk will be enough to make ROH a highly viewed promotion

My dick, versus all your mothers vagina's tonight...in a Lumberjack, Falls count anywhere, Tables, ladders & Chairs, handicapped, 4 way tag for the title match.

Kurt Angle's move to TNA was HUGE. TNA was being touted to match TNA, and in 2009 TNA, in most people's eyes, was the hugely superior product.

Jeff Hardy's personal problems was always going to dampen his debut anywhere.

Hulk Hogan isn't the biggest name in wrestling. He completely shit on that with his real life and other ventures. He was big none the less, and brought in guys like RVD, Hardy, Anderson etc., all of whom were booked into the ground.

Nothing will ever get close to WWE's ratings. But that's because WWE has been a product for like 80 years or something insane. ROH MIGHT have topped 10, TNA MIGHT have as well. WWE is an established brand and will be the most watched due to availability and kids watching it or whatever.

But someone like Punk gets mainstream success. You underrate his following. Punk (LB user) would watch ROH the second he hears CM Punk shows up. The reason that's a problem to WWE is because ROH's wrestling absolutely obliterates anything you see in ROH. Rollins Vs Ambrose would be a fairly disappointing match in ROH. WWE's 2 biggest stars, if Punk was to return right now; Daniel Bryan and CM Punk. Before either signed a contract with WWE, they were considered the top stars of ROH. D-Bry's turned into a fairly opinionated guy too. ROH is home to a lot of these guys. Added to the fact that ROH's booking is spectacular. They turn tag team wrestlers into champions in one PPV.

This situation wouldn't be unimaginable to me.

ROH Roster
Kevin Steen
Daniel Bryan
CM Punk
The Briscoe Brothers
The Young Bucks
AJ Styles
Adam Cole
REDragon
Bad Influence
Michael Elgin
Tommaso Ciampa
Austin Aries
Bram
The American Wolves
DJ Z
Jay Lethal
Homicide
Kenny King
James Storm
Bobby Roode
TJ Perkins
Samoa Joe
Chris Hero
Evan Bourne


^If this situation happened, WWE would have some serious competition on their hands. Add to that the possibility of a connection with AAA. Alberto Del Rio, Rey Mysterio (In like a month) and Mistico (Sin Cara, probably botch free)..

ROH is already working with NJPW, so lets add...

Karl Anderson
Shelton Benjamin
Davey Boy Smith Jr.
Hiroshi Tanahashi
Okada
Jushin Liger
And whatever other japs can be here.

If Punk and Bryan joined ROH, the possibilities for them would be endless. Creative issues with Ambrose could see him join ROH in this situation too. I doubt Rollins or Cesaro would consider it though.

I don't think Ambrose would ever go back to an indie company, to be frank.

^It would depend. I could see him leaving WWE over some creative dispute.

But if ROH managed to get superstars in, he COULD go to them. His direction has been great so no reason to ever believe otherwise.

You guys reckon WWE will pick up Bully Ray now that he's leaving TNA? His physical condition is the best it's ever been. He has almost carried TNA for a long time, playing perfect face and heel characters. His mic work is some of the best in the business (no stuttering redneck anymore). He also was so professional with TNA, never having a moment of "This guys been sucking and obviously slowing in the ring, he'll leave soon".

Add to the fact that Ray is already going to be over with the WWE audience, and add to the fact that the crowd are DYING to shout "D-Von, GET THE TABLES".

D-Von will basically do anything Ray does. If Ray was leaving, D-Von didnt sign a long contract.

Then you've got the fact that Dudley Boyz have one of the most successful wrestling schools around, and they could merge that with NXT and be some of the best trainers in the world.