Religious conversation
 

Let's have a bit of a religious conversation, shall we? Only rules are don't get butthurt, and don't be a cunt.


My question is, what reason to you have to not accept Evolution as the most likely situation equaling in our existence, religious people?

Generally ignorant things said by people who have no clue what they're talking about on this subject:

"We came from monkeys" No. We didn't. They are a distant "cousin" like creature to us.

"How did life start, then?" Evolution says nothing about the origins of life. Evolution is simply how it evolved once it was already here.

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And now I'm going to simply explain what Evolution is, to those who don't really know.


Every living organism is made up of cells, these cells hold a nucleus, the nucleus holds chromosomes, the chromosomes hold DNA, DNA is made up of Genes, genes which determine the characteristics that make up whatever the living organism "is". Your genes determined that you are blonde, brunette, are generally tall, etc, etc, etc. Each time a species gives birth, the characteristics of the offspring vary. None are alike, even twins are genetically different. This increases the diversity and uniqueness within the species immensely, and never ceases as long as reproduction occurs. Mutations, or random changes in DNA determine even further changes within the offspring, these mutations can result in cell manipulation, giving you cancer, or in neutral/positive ways, such as giving you blue eyes. These random mutations affect a gamete, or a sperm/egg cell, in random ways. Here's where natural selection comes into play, there are extensive variation within a species. Environmental influences have a large affect on species, and these selections are determined by things such as parasites, predators, toxins, climate, changes in habitat, etc. Every living creature is affected by this selection, and it helps them to survive in their environment. Those with the beneficial mix of random genetic characteristics do not die off from the surrounding effects of their environment, and those who have poor traits within it die off. This leaves, for the most part, the ones with the genetic prowess to survive.

The result of these things surviving are them passing on their traits to their offspring, who will get a random mix of the traits from within their parents and have their own as well.


Take the Darwins Finch argument for example:

A long time ago a group of Finches were blown onto the Galapagos islands, most likely by a large storm. Whilst there, they mated. After a time, there were an insane amount of Finches on these islands, and food became scarce. Throughout the years of scarce food supplies, some Finches were born with sharper-more pointy beaks, so that they could pluck worms from the ground to eat. Other finches were born with more bulky beaks, so that they could crack open seeds and eat the insides. These very slightly beaks were a result of random genetic chances, as explained above. As more of these Finches were born with these slight differences in beak types, they began to create ecological niches, and within these niches they were safe from the food competition the entirety of the population gave. A lot of finches born with normal beaks died off, because the food scarcity became too much and they starved. The niche-dwelling Finches strayed to themselves to avoid any of this competition, and began to mate with finches that primarily used the same niche (Note that not all of the population did this, just a substantial amount.) Over the course of many generations, these separate mating niches produces varying offspring based upon not only the hereditary genetics given from their parents, but the random DNA explained above. The beak difference characteristics were enhanced over many generations, as the parents that had them were passed on to the different birds. On and on these beak types became more and more prevalent until the seed crackers and the worm-diggers were so different genetically that they were no longer able to mate with one another. Thus two separate species of Finch were born. This is evolution. Today there are 14 different species living on the Galapagos islands, all descending from that flock that originated all that time ago. This explains why apes scale from tree to tree, why fish adapted lights on their heads to combat the darkness & be able to hunt.


So, care to answer my first question, anyone?

To answer your question:

Science and logic are creations of Satan. They are designed to pull us away from God and send us into hell. The only way to combat this is to read the Bible until the crimethink subsides.

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To answer your question:

Science and logic are creations of satan designed to pull us away from God. The only way to combat this is to read the Bible until the crimethink subsides. If you do not, you will be tortured forever in Hell. We know all this because the Bible says so.

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To answer your question:

Science and logic are creations of satan designed to pull us away from God. The only way to combat this is to read the Bible until the crimethink subsides. If you do not, you will be tortured forever in Hell. We know all this because the Bible says so.

I left a really long winded and intelligent response to your question. But then LB shit out on me and deleted it. I had 3 paragraphs. I will now summarize this in a series of hashtags.

#fuckreligion #Manmade #Evolutionisthere #Facts #Idobelieveinacreatorjustnotreligion

#wearentalone #spiritualityoverreligion last but not least #sciencebitch

I left a really long winded and intelligent response to your question. But then LB shit out on me and deleted it. I had 3 paragraphs. I will now summarize this in a series of hashtags.

#fuckreligion #Manmade #Evolutionisthere #Facts #Idobelieveinacreatorjustnotreligion

#wearentalone #spiritualityoverreligion last but not least #sciencebitch

I would be interested in an answer from a creationist as well. I simply have never understood how it is a more logical response to the evidence available. I've pretty much always been an atheist my entire life, and try to be as logical and skeptical as possible daily. I also have made debate of this topic a pet subject. Might be an interesting/weird idea for a battle with one defending the point the other arguing against it.

@Nyarlathotep - Oh boy if Lockhart was here you'd get so many "I'll pray for you"'s that your face would explode.

@Enfinite - That's probably the best way I've ever seen a response in that situation, I usually just punch my dog in the face and go running to let off steam when that happens.

So, what you're saying is that you're Diestic? Valid belief, I'm somewhat on the Diest scale I believe. What leads you to conclude that there is some creator for us, though?

evolution has too many holes for it to be accepted as how we got here.



and science did not create Satan. That's absurd

One religion:

Don't Be A Cunt!!

One religion:

Don't Be A Cunt!!

1) Care to elaborate on these holes? And if you've actually found holes within the theory of evolution, something that millions of people accept as fact, why don't you have a Nobel prize?

2) Evolution says nothing about how we got here, did you even read the OP before commenting?

Row, that's simply not all that true any more. There are very little holes in most evolutionary chains, and the sheer amount of transitional fossils are just ridiculous, particularly when it comes to humans. Don't get me wrong, there are still SOME holes, just not all that many.

What would you define as too many holes to be justified as a good answer?

1) Care to elaborate on these holes? And if you've actually found holes within the theory of evolution, something that millions of people accept as fact, why don't you have a Nobel prize?

2) Evolution says nothing about how we got here, did you even read the OP before commenting?

1) I'd love too, sadly gotta step out now so i'll be back later.
2) no i didnt lol , i will before i respond.

just to throw it in,

3) Lockhart aint know shit. I'll preach to yall

I think he's saying there are holes in the transitional fossil record, which is true, but I disagree that it is something that makes it therefore unlikely. There are very few holes.

Also, just to play devil's advocate, millions of people believe evolution is a lie too, so numbers don't really play into anything.

LoL at Nyanthropep

All these fucking double posts

I think religion just creates barriers and separates people God don't want that, i think religion is not good.
An as for evolution I believe we were created by the Annunaki.

The overall gist of my post though was, Evolution does exist, whether it's how we got here or not is still a theory of course. I don't like religion, I do believe in creation because intelligence creates intelligence in my opinion. What that Creator is, I don't know. It may be the universe, it may be a conscious being, it may be aliens. The universe is far to big and complex for me to think otherwise. Then I went on a tangent about not being the only lifeforms in the universe lol. That's my little summary I guess.

If this motherfucking website will let me post I could explain it. Wasted another paragraph, probably gonna be eighteen posts from me when this is done. Anyway,

I believe intelligence creates intelligence personally, life, the universe, far to complex imo to have come from a big bang, or whatever origin. Whether we came from a deity, aliens, the universe itself if it were somehow conscious. Something, I honestly try to sit there and think to myself "This was all from Evolution" but I think it's just to unfathomable for man to understand the origins of everything lol. Not just man kind, going deeper than that. Anyway, I don't follow religion because its man made, I do like to learn about religion and different beliefs, but I don't believe in it. When push comes to shove I think we're apart of a system created by something.

Religion is the amyl nitrate of the masses.

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I don't think there are enough seriously religious people around here to argue against Evolution the way you might be hoping.

I don't think there are enough seriously religious people around here to argue against evolution the way you might be hoping.

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#AtheistintheHouse #DawkinsisaLegend #DarwinisKing

Hue hue Hue. Religion is the downfall of mankind. The irony of religion is if it did not exist we would more likely have world peace. World peace will never happen however because theres a bunch of ignorant fucks who think some invisible deity(s) is controlling every single cause and effect outcome on this fucking planet.

I fucked the virgin mary and gave birth to Jesus christ.

Then you're going to hell.

Hmmmm :high:

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this thread works now

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@Crysis , im reading your post

It works?

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My pastor gave me a "DEBUNKING EVOLUTION" pamphlet. I'll post it in here. This should be interesting. I think its kind of funny I use this pamphlet as my bookmark for the Demon Haunted World, a book that advocates evolution. But...

Without further adieu..

Evolution Is Not Happening Now

First of all, the lack of a case for evolution is clear from the fact that no one has ever seen it happen. If it were a real process, evolution should still be occurring, and there should be many "transitional" forms that we could observe. What we see instead, of course, is an array of distinct "kinds" of plants and animals with many varieties within each kind, but with very clear and -- apparently -- unbridgeable gaps between the kinds. That is, for example, there are many varieties of dogs and many varieties of cats, but no "dats" or "cogs." Such variation is often called microevolution, and these minor horizontal (or downward) changes occur fairly often, but such changes are not true "vertical" evolution.

Evolutionary geneticists have often experimented on fruit flies and other rapidly reproducing species to induce mutational changes hoping they would lead to new and better species, but these have all failed to accomplish their goal. No truly new species has ever been produced, let alone a new "basic kind."

For the most part I am in agreeance, but you do also need to take into account the billions of dollars being used by religious organizations in the name of these deity(s) to better mankind and help our fellow man. Whilst I am in full agreeance that without religion, our world would be a better place, it does do good in our world now. In every culture, group, organization, and just any collective of people in general you will find good and bad things being done.

So... evolution lacks a case because no one has seen it happen, but a cosmic jewish zombie being born from a virgin who created mankind out of a rib and some dirt is fully applicable? Seems legit.

This is almost copied and pasted from a large group of conservative arguments across the web, and it would be a waste of time for me to conjure a counter-argument for it because you can just find Richard Dawkins or any number of people's argument-crushing views on it online. I will copy/paste one of those, if need be, though.

It's the same logic as saying "If God was creating new animals and new races, he'd still be doing it".

@Crysis , read your post, and to answer that question, evolution has many holes for it to be accepted, even Darwin acknowledged that

Peppered Moths have evolved right in front of us - http://www.mothscount.org/text/63/pe...selection.html

Damn flies won't mutate... Oh wait, the Curly Winged Fly bred in captivity for exotic animal food?! Huh!?

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Please enlighten us. Darwin was afraid of ridicule by religious nutjobs.