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J u s T C 05-29-2014 04:04 PM

I fuck with Basketball BUT
 
Winning the NBA Championship does NOT make you world champions.

GRizzEAT 05-29-2014 04:10 PM

WORLD series in baseball

tha superbowl attracts tha most viewers in tha WORLD.

Face it, wen u win in america, it accounts for tha world.

J u s T C 05-29-2014 04:15 PM

Same goes for baseball and American Handegg

Have you heard of the world cup?

The 1 where TEAMS from all over the WORLD face each other?

Your team can't be world champions only facing teams from 2 countries.

That would make you North American champions.

Even Greg Popovic agrees how stupid it is to win the NBA and claim World Champions.

GRizzEAT 05-29-2014 04:17 PM

tbh, i never understood it, but its jus how americans operate.. its brain washed since birth :o

Phil Banks 05-29-2014 04:53 PM

they dominate the olympics 2... the bball clubs here full of dudes who couldnt even make a d league team in the NBA

Rican 05-29-2014 05:31 PM

The Fifa World CUP does

not the SuperBowl @GRizzEAT

GRizzEAT 05-29-2014 05:42 PM

man that shit is every 100 years ofc ppl gone pile to watch it. its like 2 billion ppl in china watching it alone. lolz.. watch out chicko..:high:

Student 05-29-2014 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil Banks (Post 1029557)
they dominate the olympics 2... the bball clubs here full of dudes who couldnt even make a d league team in the NBA

That's Why They Can Call Themselves World Champions. No Other League In The Basketball World Can Compete With The United States, It's Statistically Proven By These Statistics I Just Made Up.

Obey 05-29-2014 06:01 PM

Lol yeah honestly just watch the Olympics and you'll get your answer. It's men vs. boys

J u s T C 05-29-2014 06:43 PM

Didn't Spain beat USA?

Also NBA teams are 2 for 2 against European teams so how you figure?

The best club in the worl wins the Champions League but they aren't called World Champions they're called European Champions because the competition featured the best TEAMS in europe.

Yall should call ya selves americanada champions

Student 05-29-2014 07:02 PM

The United States Has Won 14 Out Of 18 Gold Medals Since Basketball Was Introduced In The Olympics.
Even The Women's Team Has Won 7 Out Of 10 Games.

FuckWithMeYouKnowIGotIt.

Godbody 05-29-2014 07:21 PM

lol this is dumb

yes winning an NBA title doesn't make you a WORLD champion

the same way winning in MLB, NFL, & MLS doesnt

but when we go to the olympics we shit all over everyone so hard its not even funny

and the teams that stand the slightest chance are comprised of veteran NBA players like Serge Ibaka, Pau Gasol (Spain) & dudes like Luol Deng (Great Britain)

& if NBA players call themselves 'world champions' its rightfully so because the worst NBA team in the league can probably fuck with the best basketball team from any given country

unless you're talking olympics where all the NBA players play for their country thats different

J u s T C 05-29-2014 08:11 PM

All I'm saying is the claim of world champions is silly, which you agree. I'm Not debating whether or not it's the best league because it obviously is. But to be world champions you have to compete against other teams around the world.

Hubert Cumberdale 05-29-2014 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GRizzEAT (Post 1029474)
tha superbowl attracts tha most viewers in tha WORLD.

Why do Americans KEEP forgetting that football absolutely smashes American Football in all these figures? The World Cup Final defeats the Superbowl by a landslide in WORLD figures.

If I'm correct, someone here recently said Madden was the highest selling sports game (Think it was Pulse), and then he wondered if it might be FIFA. FIFA absolutely obliterates Madden every time.

Godbody 05-29-2014 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 1029793)
Why do Americans KEEP forgetting that football absolutely smashes American Football in all these figures? The World Cup Final defeats the Superbowl by a landslide in WORLD figures.

If I'm correct, someone here recently said Madden was the highest selling sports game (Think it was Pulse), and then he wondered if it might be FIFA. FIFA absolutely obliterates Madden every time.

Of course it does

That's why I corrected myself and was like FIFA

Its weird because when I have a conversation with people I tend to bring up shit that I can relate to forgetting that people from all over the world be on here

in the U.S. i'm sure Madden sells more so I said FIFA when I realized that FIFA is a global game

Hubert Cumberdale 05-29-2014 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godbody (Post 1029803)
Of course it does

That's why I corrected myself and was like FIFA

Its weird because when I have a conversation with people I tend to bring up shit that I can relate to forgetting that people from all over the world be on here

in the U.S. i'm sure Madden sells more so I said FIFA when I realized that FIFA is a global game

I can't actually find any sales figures for either in US. Interesting question.

Madden sells about 4times more I believe.

Rican 05-29-2014 10:26 PM

You can't even find madden around here

The Dope Man 05-30-2014 01:48 AM

The NBA is the highest skilled basketball league in the world... that's why they're considered world champions... Players from around the world (if they are good enough) come and play in the NBA. Including Europe & even communist China allows their players in the NBA, but they still tax the shit out of those players...

American Football... They are considered world champions because it is the highest skill american football league in the world as well..

Same with baseball..

America controls the highest skilled leagues & has the best players from all around the world participate... It's not just Americans in the NBA, NFL, MLB.

And those players from other countries, go back to their countries to play in the Olympics aka Tony Parker, Pau Gasol, etc.

No other league in the world fucks with these.

---------- Post added at 01:48 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:47 AM ----------

obviously, soccer is the most popular sport world-wide, but it's still fuck soccer for me. its a 3rd world sport IMo..

J u s T C 05-30-2014 07:17 AM

You're a dumb ass if you believe that that's a valid reason.

Godbody 05-30-2014 12:16 PM

Actually I just realized they ARE world champions

Because even though they don't play against other countries...They draft the best players from other countries. For example, you could play for a team in Italy and still go to the NBA. & It's a step up because the NBA > FIBA

Yao Ming was the #1 pick in 2002 & he was chillin in China when they drafted him

J u s T C 05-30-2014 01:32 PM

Thats not how becoming world champion works. lol silly americans.

Godbody 05-30-2014 01:41 PM

Its exactly how becoming a world champion works. I know you're big on soccer so let's put out a hypothetical situation.. Let's say the U.S. is known for soccer and we have all the best teams/players etc etc


If Messi, Ronaldo, Kaka, Rooney, & Persie are some of the best in their respective countries....and you send them to play in the U.S. for a team

If, for example, Messi's team wins...they're world champions. They beat the cream of the crop because the league they're competing in is comprised of all the best players from all the countries in the world

Kids right now in Africa, China, Russia etc wanna be in the NBA and they don't even have to step foot onto an American court because they can play in their respective countries and if they're good enough the scouts will notice & they'll become draft prospects

the NBA is a worldwide league. It's an American sport and played in America.....but games are played in China & London too for the fans to see...People that dont even live in the U.S. can get recognized for their talents and drafted

J u s T C 05-30-2014 02:01 PM

No. Because Ronaldo just won the Champions League, which is THE elite club (Franchise for Americans) competition in the world. But it is a European Competition. He was crowned a European Champion. Because it's held and played between teams Geographically European.

Le Bron won the NBA Championship. He's a North American Champion because it's held in North America.

It's not about where the players in the TEAM come from. It never has been.

It's about where the TEAM hails from/competes and who the player PLAYS for. It always has been. There is no I in team. The team comes first. It always has and it always will.

Ronaldo will be a World Champion when

A.

He wins the upcoming World Cup with Portugal

B.

He wins the World Club Cup this January/December with Real Madrid (They qualify as the best team in europe after winning the Champions League I mentioned above.

Le Bron will be a world champion if Basket Ball ever holds a basketball world cup.

If the NBA ever agree to have the NBA champions (if it's the heat) compete against the winners of other leagues in the world.

This has been proposed before but the NBA turned it down (they were the only organisation)

No offense but Americans a generally very xenophobic/ignorant when it comes to sports. So I get it. you were raised to think a certain way. But your way of thinking is still wrong, because of logic. The logic I posted above. The logic which the rest of the world stands by so makes Americans look extremely arrogant when they call their national league winners, world champions.

Godbody 05-30-2014 02:09 PM

I'll simplify it as much as I can

You take the best players from Germany, Spain, Brazil, Argentina, etc

Throw them into the U.S.

And have them play against teams in the U.S. that are comprised similarly ie; the best of the best from around the world


Well if you're somebody in the U.S. and you defeat a team that has the 3 best players from Brazil, who else is there to beat in Brazil? You just beat their 3 best players

hence why NBA players can call themselves World Champions

the geographic location doesn't have anything to do with it when players from around the world are accepted...the sport is based in the U.S... there's 30 franchises based on 30 U.S. cities because here's where the sport started. If somebody in China thinks they have what it takes to ball, U.S. players don't go to China to prove themselves, the Chinese come here

The logic you posted above just clarifies that the NBA is an American sport played in North America but nowhere in that logic is my logic of worldwide acceptance and the best of the world playing in the NBA debunked.

Obey 05-30-2014 02:10 PM

So you're saying other teams could compete w/ America from other parts of the world?

Godbody 05-30-2014 02:16 PM

^The Olympics

We shit on people all the time and go back to playing regular NBA

Spain's olympic team was only that good because its best players were NBA players that opted t play for Spain

the same goes for Argentina & Great Britain

Without NBA players opting to play for their country there would be absolutely 0 competition ....NBA is the WORLD STAGE for basketball. Geographically, ok, its within North American borders.

But kids in China turnin on the TV to see whats goin on in the NBA
kids in Europe turnin on the TV to see whats goin on in the NBA

^^& the best players from Europe & China dont play in Europe and China..they play in the NBA. making it a worldwide thing.

the best of the best play here and the worst NBA team could probably easily beat the best team any country could conjure w/out including NBA stars playing for them

You're lucky NBA players call themselves World Champions and not Universal Champions cuz deez niggas in a league of their own b and it's a joke to call them anything other than world champions when everyone else in the world is useless and irrelevant as far as basketball is concerned

Student 05-30-2014 02:18 PM

Logically Speaking If You're The Biggest Fish In The Pond, Wouldn't You Say You Own The Pond?

Godbody 05-30-2014 02:20 PM

^Exactly......

'The U.S. can't call themselves world champions unless X and Y'

the problem is the NBA shits so hard on other leagues and any other attempts of basketball leagues that there is no world championship because the best of the best automatically go to the NBA

which by default makes it a world championship because the NBA is comprised of the best players from around the world

nobody wants to see U.S. vs Great Britain or something because there's no fun in watching a team get blown out by 50

people might wanna see the Spurs vs OKC though

the Spurs have one of the best Argentinian players in Ginobili, who will be a hall of famer..and a French player in Tony Parker, who will also be HOF. with a HOF coach...

like I said, the best of the best already compete here

no need for a world championship. once every 4 years is fine

J u s T C 05-30-2014 02:59 PM

Nonsense.

And Obey. So you mean to tell me The American National Team has never lost to another nation?

You're telling me that NBA teams aren't .500 in 4 against European teams?

How do I know this and you don't? aren't you a b-ball fanatic or you just trying to ignore that fact.

Manhattan 05-30-2014 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just C (Post 1030060)
Nonsense.

And Obey. So you mean to tell me The American National Team has never lost to another nation?

You're telling me that NBA teams aren't .500 in 4 against European teams?

How do I know this and you don't? aren't you a b-ball fanatic or you just trying to ignore that fact.

NBA teams are 44-10 against Euro teams....

J u s T C 05-30-2014 03:48 PM

Where? show me.

Hubert Cumberdale 05-30-2014 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rican (Post 1029847)
You can't even find madden around here

Yeah? Shit you can even find it here lol.

The Dope Man 05-30-2014 04:19 PM

@Godbody knows what im saying...


@Just C your logic is retarded & your only comparison is soccer.

It doesn't matter where the games are being played, all that matters is its the best competition from around the world competing in that 1 league. so the best team is dubbed world champions.

Hubert Cumberdale 05-30-2014 04:25 PM

I have the perfect example.

America right now are probably the most consistent country in boxing.

The NABF title is far from the World Championship.

The Dope Man 05-30-2014 04:35 PM

boxing is not a team sport. invaild.

Boxers may go to America for fights but they don't train there, practice there, join American crews. They stay and train in their respective countries with their own personal trainers & are scheduled to fight in various places.

Plus in a years span they don't nearly have enough competitions to fight against all the top prospects.

nice try tho

J u s T C 05-30-2014 04:44 PM

I could example cricket, rugby any number of team sports. the same rules apply accross the board. You're the odd 1 out here, not me.

And btw I only NEED 1 example. I'm talking basketball and used "sock errr" as an example.

Manhattan 05-30-2014 04:49 PM

Sorry NBA teams are 44-10 against all Euroleague teams but 12-7 when playing away from home. http://www.nba.com/global/games2013/...list.html#euro

Hubert Cumberdale 05-30-2014 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dope Man (Post 1030099)
boxing is not a team sport. invaild.

Boxers may go to America for fights but they don't train there, practice there, join American crews. They stay and train in their respective countries with their own personal trainers & are scheduled to fight in various places.

Plus in a years span they don't nearly have enough competitions to fight against all the top prospects.

nice try tho

Okay then, MMA.

For anyone saying MMA is not a team sport, they obviously know nothing about training camps. I've never heard a fighter refer to his strategy as "my strategy", they'll say "We had a plan and we executed it well".

MMA fighters have training camps. They train there, practice there, join crews. They move countries to train.

J u s T C 05-30-2014 04:52 PM

You also need to look into what rules were played in those games. As far as I'm aware Fiba and NBA rules differ. For instance you wouldn't get away with anywhere near as much traveling using Fiba rules and refs as you do NBA.

Lol That kinda makes a mockery of the NBA. We all know travelling should never be allowed.

But hey they have to make it a spectacle extravaganza, right?

Manhattan 05-30-2014 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just C (Post 1030106)
You also need to look into what rules were played in those games. As far as I'm aware Fiba and NBA rules differ. For instance you wouldn't get away with anywhere near as much traveling using Fiba rules and refs as you do NBA.

If it's played in North America it's NBA rules if it's played in Europe it's Fiba rules. Yes I agree there is wayyyyy too much traveling and Fiba refs would call that. However playing the ball when it's in the ring is not allowed in NBA however in FIBA you can do whatever you want when the ball is bouncing around the hoop. It would be called goaltending in NBA. FIBA three point arc is also smaller


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