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Louie Dawgs 05-27-2014 08:38 AM

Have you guys ever realized that
 
Jesus was a fucking rape baby??? Serious, his mother was fucking engaged and God still got her pregnant and made another man raise his fucking kid. The fuck yo.

Hubert Cumberdale 05-27-2014 08:51 AM

Louie would masturbate over this conclusion if it had more tentacles.

Nicholas 05-27-2014 09:06 AM

Or.. a lady called Mary had an affair 2000 years ago made up an elaborate lie to her husband and now 2000 years later a lot of ignorant people worship her son.

Hubert Cumberdale 05-27-2014 09:08 AM

I hate when people do that about religion Nick. You've taken one absolutely tiny aspect, and used hyperbole to dismiss it's entire process.

Nicholas 05-27-2014 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 1028549)
I hate when people do that about religion Nick. You've taken one absolutely tiny aspect, and used hyperbole to dismiss it's entire process.

You think my comment is hyperbole? I think an affair is far more likely than a lady having sex with god. I'm not trying to convince anyone, just giving my two cents.

Hubert Cumberdale 05-27-2014 09:31 AM

1. When did God ever have sex with Mary?
2. Gabriel is the one that "brought the message". An angel sent by God.
3. So Mary's lie spread across the entire land, to the point where people made up miracles of Jesus and Jesus was all like "Ehhh, yeah, I do that shit, just too busy to do it now".

Nicholas 05-27-2014 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 1028553)
1. When did God ever have sex with Mary?
2. Gabriel is the one that "brought the message". An angel sent by God.
3. So Mary's lie spread across the entire land, to the point where people made up miracles of Jesus and Jesus was all like "Ehhh, yeah, I do that shit, just too busy to do it now".

1) Fine, he didn't have sex with her but even so. God got her pregnant and you believe that over an affair. What's more likely.

3) There is no evidence of Jesus's miracles just like there is no evidence of Frodo destroying the Ring at Mordor or Peter Pan fighting with Captain Hook.

Hubert Cumberdale 05-27-2014 09:43 AM

1. Likelihood isn't really a factor for people with belief. It's more likely that LOADS of events didn't happen, or would never happen, but still did.

3. There is no evidence that Jesus existed. I'm taking what you said (That Jesus infact existed) and saying that are you just going to discount that the tale also recalls his 'miracles'?

ViTRiOL 05-27-2014 09:53 AM

Inb4 someone says: "My girlfriend had sex with God last night."

Nicholas 05-27-2014 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 1028556)
1. Likelihood isn't really a factor for people with belief. It's more likely that LOADS of events didn't happen, or would never happen, but still did.

3. There is no evidence that Jesus existed. I'm taking what you said (That Jesus infact existed) and saying that are you just going to discount that the tale also recalls his 'miracles'?

1) You're right evidence makes no difference to people's religious beliefs that's the fundamental issue. Fine, believe what you want I'm not trying to convert anyone I'm just saying I'm going to side with the evidence.

3) I'm unsure at what you're getting at here. There is actually evidence that a Jesus of Nazareth existed, what there isn't evidence for is his miracles.

Hubert Cumberdale 05-27-2014 10:03 AM

3. There isn't. There is evidence that a similarly named man once lived in Nazareth, yes. If you want to get down to things, Jesus seems pasted together from Egyptian mythology.

SAND 05-27-2014 10:16 AM

@Lockhart avoid thread.

Fidel Z 05-27-2014 10:25 AM

@Lockhart Get this nigga Nicholas fam

@Row

Nicholas 05-27-2014 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by WarSand (Post 1028573)
@Lockhart avoid thread.

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Originally Posted by Fidel Z (Post 1028578)
@Lockhart Get this nigga Nicholas fam

@Row

LMAO.

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 1028566)
3. There isn't. There is evidence that a similarly named man once lived in Nazareth

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Originally Posted by Nicholas (Post 1028561)
There is actually evidence that a Jesus of Nazareth existed, what there isn't evidence for is his miracles.

Do you actually read my posts or just skim?

Hubert Cumberdale 05-27-2014 11:04 AM

There's evidence that a Wayne Rooney went to my school. I don't know the striker from Man United though.

Nicholas 05-27-2014 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 1028592)
There's evidence that a Wayne Rooney went to my school. I don't know the striker from Man United though.

You don't seem to recognize when we actually agree on a point (same thing when you IM'd me earlier) you just keep rambling on like I'm disagreeing with you. We're in agreement.

Hubert Cumberdale 05-27-2014 11:15 AM

I'm just saying that your points, the kind I made when i was 13, aren't going to rebuff an entire religion.

Nicholas 05-27-2014 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 1028596)
I'm just saying that your points, the kind I made when i was 13, aren't going to rebuff an entire religion.

If you made my points when you were 13 then you obvious showed critical thinking skills, props. I'm not trying to rebuff an entire religion I'm just pointing out the ridiculousness of it.

Row 05-27-2014 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Fidel Z (Post 1028578)
@Lockhart Get this nigga Nicholas fam

@Row

i easily could, but it'd be effort wasted on closed-minded individuals

Nicholas 05-27-2014 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Row (Post 1028599)
i easily could, but it'd be effort wasted on closed-minded individuals

The irony of this post is off the charts.

Hubert Cumberdale 05-27-2014 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Nicholas (Post 1028597)
If you made my points when you were 13 then you obvious showed critical thinking skills, props. I'm not trying to rebuff an entire religion I'm just pointing out the ridiculousness of it.

Critical Thinking? More like smart arse in religion class if I'm honest.

Probably explaining why people who commit suicide won't go to heaven, to my religion teacher who's sister killed herself, probably wasnt the way to go though.

Nicholas 05-27-2014 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 1028603)
Critical Thinking? More like smart arse in religion class if I'm honest.

Probably explaining why people who commit suicide won't go to heaven, to my religion teacher who's sister killed herself, probably wasnt the way to go though.

If it makes it any better none of us are going to heaven.

Lockhart 05-27-2014 11:38 AM

God Bless you Nich. You need it.

Nicholas 05-27-2014 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Lockhart (Post 1028606)
God Bless you Nich. You need it.

Thanks for the sentiment but I really don't think I do. I hope your religion doesn't negatively affect your quality of life though.

Lockhart 05-27-2014 11:46 AM

@Nicholas It doesn't. I'm quite happy for I am able to do what I want quite easily.

ViTRiOL 05-27-2014 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Row (Post 1028599)
i easily could, but it'd be effort wasted on closed-minded individuals

Says the kid that wants someone to stop voting on his battles despite the lengthy amount of advice and insight that could vastly improve his battling ability.

@Nicholas - irony x5,000,000

Nicholas 05-27-2014 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Lockhart (Post 1028609)
@Nicholas It doesn't. I'm quite happy for I am able to do what I want quite easily.

Awesome.

ViTRiOL 05-27-2014 11:52 AM

Science - Gets an essence of truth in a theory and immediately tries to disprove it a thousand times in practical experimentation in order to make it absolutely certain that it is correct.

Religion - Gets an inkling of a story, immediately declares it true and denies any factual scientific evidence that disproves religious teachings and ethics.

Fidel Z 05-27-2014 11:56 AM

Vitroil Your wifey can get it, I put that on everything. I know she's working with something

Enfinite 05-27-2014 12:05 PM

For me, it's faith vs. Religion. Meaning that, yes, I do believe there is a creator, I choose not to put a label on it personally, but it's hard for me to think that everything that life is was a random event. Intelligence creates intelligence. But Religion is man made and I DO NOT support a Religion. Too many of them, all saying they're correct. Science is and always will be our way of understanding HOW things are created, not why. Then again, that's just me, I'm down to learn any persons point of view.

Fidel Z 05-27-2014 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Enfinite (Post 1028620)
For me, it's faith vs. Religion. Meaning that, yes, I do believe there is a creator, I choose not to put a label on it personally, but it's hard for me to think that everything that life is was a random event. Intelligence creates intelligence. But Religion is man made and I DO NOT support a Religion. Too many of them, all saying they're correct. Science is and always will be our way of understanding HOW things are created, not why. Then again, that's just me, I'm down to learn any persons point of view.

RESPECT!

Babylon 05-27-2014 12:29 PM

There's actually quite a bit of evidence of an historical Jesus. Not a shred of that evidence alludes to the fact he was a first century magician who could heal leprosy by bathing a bird in the blood of another bird, though. According to that historical evidence, there was actually a man named Jesus in which the christian faith could have based their religious texts off of. But there is nothing at all to state that he was in any way the "Son of God."

The entire bullshit with religion is that you can place the most outlandish and pseudo-scientific bullshit within the text and it can be completely and utterly justified by it's believers under the premise that "God" is all powerful and can do whatever he wants. That's why religion has been so prominent, and will remain prominent for centuries to come. There's no way to disprove that a talking snake lived in a garden and talked to the first humans ever alive that were subsequently created from dust and bone. There's no way to disprove that the prophet Muhammad flew to the moon on a Pegasuses.

Hubert Cumberdale 05-27-2014 12:34 PM


Babylon 05-27-2014 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ViTRiOL (Post 1028616)
Science - Gets an essence of truth in a theory and immediately tries to disprove it a thousand times in practical experimentation in order to make it absolutely certain that it is correct.

Religion - Gets an inkling of a story, immediately declares it true and denies any factual scientific evidence that disproves religious teachings and ethics.

This. I honestly wish that for once in a religious persons life they would operate under the premise that they COULD be wrong, then analyze their evidence and the counter-evidence for their religions/religions claims.

Being religious is fine, in fact, it's done some of the most amazing things in the history of humanity (Granted it's also done some of the most deplorable as well.) but to blindly follow your religion because it "makes ya feel good" or because it's what your family taught you is fucking idiotic.

---------- Post added at 12:38 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:34 PM ----------

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 1028626)

The mythological figure "Jesus" has elements based upon a multitude of other gods in history. Horus being the main one,

Buddha: Both went to their temples at the age of twelve, where they are said to have astonished all with their wisdom. Both supposedly fasted in solitude for a long time: Buddha for forty–seven days and Jesus for forty. Both wandered to a fig tree at the conclusion of their fasts. Both were about the same age when they began their public ministry

Krishna: According to Bhagavata Purana some believe that Krishna was born without a sexual union, by “mental transmission” from the mind of Vasudeva into the womb of Devaki, his mother. Christ and Krishna were called both God and the Son of God. Both were sent from heaven to earth in the form of a man. Both were called Savior, and the second person of the Trinity. Krishna’s adoptive human father was also a carpenter. A spirit or ghost was their actual father. Krishna and Jesus were of royal descent. Both were visited at birth by wise men and shepherds, guided by a star. Angels in both cases issued a warning that the local dictator planned to kill the baby and had issued a decree for his assassination. The parents fled. Mary and Joseph stayed in Muturea; Krishna’s parents stayed in Mathura. Both Christ and Krishna withdrew to the wilderness as adults, and fasted. Both were identified as “the seed of the woman bruising the serpent’s head.” Jesus was called “the lion of the tribe of Judah.” Krishna was called “the lion of the tribe of Saki.” Both claimed: “I am the Resurrection.” Both were “without sin.” Both were god-men: being considered both human and divine. Both performed many miracles, including the healing of disease. One of the first miracles that both performed was to make a leper whole. Each cured “all manner of diseases.” Both cast out indwelling demons, and raised the dead. Both selected disciples to spread his teachings. Both were meek, and merciful. Both were criticized for associating with sinners. Both celebrated a last supper. Both forgave his enemies. Both were crucified and both were resurrected

Odysseus: Homeric tales about Odysseus emphasize his suffering life, just as in Mark Jesus said that he, too, would suffer greatly. Odysseus is a carpenter like Jesus, and he wants to return his home just as Jesus wants to be welcomed in his native home and later to God’s home in Jerusalem. Odysseus is plagued with unfaithful and dim-witted companions who display tragic flaws. They stupidly open a magic bag of wind while Odysseus sleeps and release terrible tempests which prevent their return home. These sailors are comparable to Jesus’ disciples, who disbelieve Jesus, ask foolish questions, and show general ignorance about everything. It’s amazing that either Odysseus or Jesus ever manage to accomplish anything, given the companions they have, but this simply demonstrates the power and ability of the one true leader who has a divine mandate to lead the people out of darkness and into a brighter future.


I'll stop now and let the Christians in this thread say that the only logical explanation is that the devil created these gods.. lol.

Hubert Cumberdale 05-27-2014 12:44 PM

Sgt. Creepypasta

ViTRiOL 05-27-2014 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Enfinite (Post 1028620)
For me, it's faith vs. Religion. Meaning that, yes, I do believe there is a creator, I choose not to put a label on it personally, but it's hard for me to think that everything that life is was a random event. Intelligence creates intelligence. But Religion is man made and I DO NOT support a Religion. Too many of them, all saying they're correct. Science is and always will be our way of understanding HOW things are created, not why. Then again, that's just me, I'm down to learn any persons point of view.

Agnostic theism is probably the most on-the-fence way of thinking and will most likely keep you out of all arguments based on our existence.

Smart.

I personally embody the last sentence with the exception of anyone with views that hold any prejudice or damaging perspectives. A lot of religious people won't take the earplugs out to listen to my theories on our existence, so why should I listen to their viewpoint? Especially if they're shouting at me about female inferiority, homosexuality being an abominable sin and a manifesto of intolerance that gives me a headache. I've never held any prejudice nor do I prejudge anyone due to their belief system but I will automatically dismiss your view if it surfaces that you are a bigot or an ignoramus.

Babylon 05-27-2014 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ViTRiOL (Post 1028641)
Agnostic theism is probably the most on-the-fence way of thinking and will most likely keep you out of all arguments based on our existence.

Smart.

I personally embody the last sentence with the exception of anyone with views that hold any prejudice or damaging perspectives. A lot of religious people won't take the earplugs out to listen to my theories on our existence, so why should I listen to their viewpoint? Especially if they're shouting at me about female inferiority, homosexuality being an abominable sin and a manifesto of intolerance that gives me a headache. I've never held any prejudice nor do I prejudge anyone due to their belief system but I will automatically dismiss your view if it surfaces that you are a bigot or an ignoramus.

This. This shit right here.

Nicholas 05-27-2014 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ViTRiOL (Post 1028641)
Agnostic theism is probably the most on-the-fence way of thinking and will most likely keep you out of all arguments based on our existence.

Smart.

I personally embody the last sentence with the exception of anyone with views that hold any prejudice or damaging perspectives. A lot of religious people won't take the earplugs out to listen to my theories on our existence, so why should I listen to their viewpoint? Especially if they're shouting at me about female inferiority, homosexuality being an abominable sin and a manifesto of intolerance that gives me a headache. I've never held any prejudice nor do I prejudge anyone due to their belief system but I will automatically dismiss your view if it surfaces that you are a bigot or an ignoramus.

Awesome post. Completely co-signed.

GRizzEAT 05-27-2014 01:47 PM

but tha real question is, what in Gods name happened to Spectacular Vernacular?

OSKAR 05-27-2014 02:38 PM

I don't think sex was even involved.

God just used his chuck norris powers and got mary pregnant with his stare


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