Old vets or new vets?
 

Im not looking to argue but basically @Dave , you're saying that the old vets then are better than the one's now, but i disagree. just look at the difference in text battles from both eras: I don't really read Rican battles but look at Grizz and diss and Ill battles - they utilize some pretty unique wordplay and have relevant setups throughout. now from the old vets, you can see their battles and notice a decrease in complexity. they utilize idioms and some unimpressive basic wordplay with rhymes that are offfffffffff and setups that are either weak or irrelevant. only reason they are put above is because they are the only examples new cats look at to want to be great, which put these vets above the pedestal. IMO if Jason dropped an open on a next new account, i bet ILLoKWENT can win by a big margin.



These vets may be great, but only for their era. Shit changes. What do yall think

the new good people are better. they rhymed horribly and were more basic.. first daddio battle i look at on the top of his profile page, on the very first line, dude rhymes "Sandler" with "Back In".

Some New vets and some old vets .

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Iont think it's a general thing. I think we should set up a real tourney.

they are all gone, or won't battle like Jason.

No, stop claiming I'm nit picking. I went to the first battle on the top of his page, and read the first line and stopped. If that's the case u "legends" need to stop using horrible openers like that boa constrictor shit and rhyming Sandler with Back In. Using a flow/water reference.. lmao

UA got flow daddio got concepts, his multies do be broken. Illimit I haven't read much, but Jason got some cold shit. I wanna see a new battle wit him.

Only way to find out is some old vets stop making comebacks just to battle old folks.... @RULE should set up some Dope shit... New ILLMANIA Concept... Golden Age vs. NewEra.

MAN DOWN vs. DaDDiO
Dissizit vs. Jason
Grizzeat vs. UA
ILLoKWENT vs. Askari

or w.e

Shit Age vs Present. Dude's forgot it was a rap website, and just started capping random words and insulting people LOL

Fuck the old heads.

DaD is dope though, no doubt, but no just his aura alone is enough to win him a battle seeing how people vote nowadays



there's some of these old vets that im sureeee i can beat but only if they came on as a multi, cause rep unknowingly plays a big role in votes as i see

I co sign what @Row said, favoritism is crucial in this bitch for real for real....

"what u have texted isn't xanax just WEAK BARS YUNGIN Promethazine Punch had u Dead asleep Huh? Getcha LEAN ON CUZZIN even if I gotta 'face time in a cell' like STEVE JOBS NUGGUH 2 straps n' a Ox call ME PAUL BUNYON carrying iron around like I need to T-OFF SOMETHIN I'll put 'a round in a square' and give em that RING CARD STRUCTURE!" - Daddio

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/me...acepalming.gif

That's how ya'll do it @Jason

yea that rhymin is atrocious

best way to debate is old heads from LB vs. old heads from GM... sorry to say, but gm would win wit shit in 03 to 05.. vs.. LB 06 t0 09..to put in perspective.. phroxen was just one part of that era,, and everyone knows how dope phro is...

Ehhhh where'd that other dude go @ILLoKWENT the one that just came back? Iont remember his name.

True statement. There were dudes back then like Pr0blem and everything. Pr0blem is probably the best Textcee of all-time, correct?

Phrox got the heat tho. We set up a battle for after the tourney.

link me a pr0blem battle boa.

Old heads Vs New era.

My opinion might change if a new era member win a gc.

Your current crew tag (FTOH) has been contradicting everything you are posting. lol

ehh, dunno ... guess he was just passin by on his way to work. he went by username

Savemoney


Read my shit chico

Yeah i did rhyme better, ur right. Because my argument the whole time has been about rhyming, not concepts and execution. I didn't rhyme Sandler with Back In. Or force a rhyme HORRIBLY... like NUGGUH. lol. FYI, theres a reason I never used that bar.

People have the smoothest way of dodging.

wish i could bro, but gm's been taken down for a few years now...but problem was considered to be the most bitten texter alive...lol.. him this other dude metaphive, and a couple others fathered this long bar style ... before then it was short bar shii like netcees, and other forum style battling sites..phroxen would be the more definitive historian tho.

I'll get better, and have gotten better, you will not because you don't battle anymore. Atleast my shit actually rhymes, like I said you guys forced rhymes horribly it's like you guys stopped rapping, just started insulting people and capping some words. Your era never grasped the fundamentals lmao. Shit still made more sense than ur boa constrictor shit. Dude changed nigga to NUGGUH just to make it rhyme

@Phroxen to thread.

What u talking bout bro? DADDiO's dope i never said nothing bout dude, We cool family I thought u took a shot I wanted a battle thats all I got no hard feelings I'm just fuckin with u lol... But I hear where u coming from

Anyone else find the title of thread kind of odd? Old vets? New vets? What's the difference besides supposed skill level? Just call them vets and go by the years they started or something. Old vets is a bit redundant though.

No. putting NUGGUH in IS FORCED. He put it there just because he had a long scheme going and it was the only way he could make it work. You and everyone else would say the same thing if it wasn't Daddio, but since it is, I GUESS IT'S OK!

Battle me then lmao. You won't even go 8. If i'm so bad, key me, should be easy being the legend you are. Oh wait, you only snipe, your only text battle in 3 years was against someone who doesn't even battle.

no, go away

lol I don't rep that. Punk & Fidel are my niggas, the movement is cool. I don't know why my dude Rican made the crew abv that when hes a old head. lol #SaveMoney

fam your absolutely right, it was forced, but , i wouldnt dwell on a few lines here and there.. you need to simply view daddio's accomplishments on this site as a whole, and his consistency.wit quality bars... everyone's gonna have a few errs here and there, and i've yet to see perfectly schemed bars from anyone on 'every' battle theyve dropped...

***** Old heads vs new heads Official Tourney *****

If it's completely non-important and not a punch like you said, it shouldn't be in ur verse u know, being an open and all, u don't know who ur facing.. but I just assumed you wouldn't battle, ur right. So i'm about to go to class, I'll get on and send 8 when I get back then, so I can talk shit about you not responding if you don't.

I didn't read the whole thing, but I can tell you that Grizz and Dissizit specifically don't understand wordplay. Rican used to be susceptible to this but he's worked hard on it recently. I'll go to the tournament now and I should be able to get an example from one of their battles.

Basically, wordplay all comes down to the grammar of the line when it's worded both ways. Because of Rican and Pulse who had a surge of this style on the site a few years ago, it's taken over now.

Dissizit
But now you're all alone, So “Rupt puns'll not CARRY YOU THIS TIME”!
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But now you're all alone, So Rapunzel not CARRY YOU THIS TIME
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In the first line, it worked because he had the tense on "puns'll" working. Because this is not present in the second line, the grammar gets thrown completely off. "Rapunzel not carry you".

(Furthermore, everyone would pronounce the T at the end of "Rupt", which means the "Rup'" sound in the WP doesn't match exactly.


GrizzEAT

so w/ a bitch like "I? our essential links, will have his mom askin : AWWW, DID IT HURT?"(I.R.S.SentYouLinks/audited)
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So with a bitch like IRS sent you links will have his mom asking audit hurt

Once again, when you write it both ways, you can see that the grammar is 100% off. Furthermore, Grizz is one of the best on the site right? In the high standard era.

I.R.S. Sent You Links
I-Our-Our-Ess-Ent-Shall-Links

Our / R
You-Tial (Shall)

Wordplay is completely off.





I just picked these two from their last tournament battles. Now anyone can say "Oh, EtH sucks, why listen to him?" but forget that and read above and tell me if I'm wrong. @Erupt had a big influence on these guys fucking up. Erupt promoted that everyone gets rid of the "Like" style of punches, and these guys really listened and tried to get rid of it. The difference is, Erupt doesn't have the technical downsides that these guys have, so it's not a problem for him. With Diss and Grizz, like shown above, when they try and execute it more originally they sacrifice working the wordplay out correctly, can sometimes not have exact sounding wordplay in the first place (step 1 in wordplay) and the grammar disappears.

EDIT: Problem is, they don't get called on it. I remember RULE promoted ILL Vs Diss as an "AMAZING battle". I thought it was a horrible showing by two of the best in the site. The difference between both was, ILL came to me, looking for ways that he could improve his verse and didn't want to be taken in too much by the low standard required for high voting these days.

EDIT 2: From being on the hunt for catching people biting on LB, I ended up reading A LOT of Pr0blem's stuff. I have no doubt that everyone has a read a line directly bitten from him somewhere on here. Him and KingOfSparta are the two most bitten from text battlers of all time.

I think it dosen't matter if they old or new people say "HIP HOP WAS BETTER BACK IN THE OLD SCHOOL DAYS" but I don't think thats true it depends on the person who is making the rap, the mainstream is garbage used to brainwash kids but the underground is still great if you know what to look for. Old vs New does not matter because there was wack/dope people in the past and there is the same in the present.

Y'all be asking the wrong question.

It shouldnt be asking what era was the best, but WHO is the best NOW.

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exactly

Only if it's not sacrificing your line.


I disagree. Everyone should want to be the greatest of all time, fuck being the best of a bad bunch.