I'm sorry.
 

But some of these crews need to get a little smaller. Not only because it is better to have it smaller to have it more hands on, but I'm looking at some battles that should have closed awhile ago, but haven't because of the current crew situation. Somewhere and somehow, a change needs to be made.

Call them out what crews are ya referring to lol

I'm going to say MM mainly. Every time I have a battle with a Murda member, that shit always gets slept on.

Lol we got like 3 maybe 4 active battlers total. you gotta include the fact that a lot of crews have member's that aren't active battlers, which means they aren't active voters either

I took back what I said about BSI, but MM? If I battle an MM/Dojo member, I lose out on votes from : 3 mods, 2 FVC members, and a good percentage of the active battlers, now. It's kind of counterproductive when I'm also getting BS votes from complete noob.

Yeah i understand what ur saying. It was like that with AC/Chloros too. "double crews" are the problem, not enough activity on this site for that

True that. Form a group up in the group section if you want to train some of these guys, but right now, we're sacrificing elevation for legitimate votes and showing that these guys are ACTUALLY elevating.

FVC thread?

and if they aint voting then titles needa be stripped..

This is part of what I was getting at in my Murda is Boring thread.

It doesn't do any good considering how I'm battling MM people half of the time. The ones that aren't in MM? Usually don't vote that much. I mean there's a tournament battle that's being ran by @Punk The God that hasn't closed yet because it only has 2 votes. TWO VOTES. It's completely unacceptable to have something like that.

I understand.. So what do you suggest? Maybe a limit on members in a crew...for now until activity picks up?

@Lockhart

Nooooo...... I'm not feeling that. Shits simple, everyone ups their own voting activity = problem solved. Make your threads, vote on battles etc. etc. Limiting crews isn't the answer.

@Nicholas I say what we need to do is put a cap on number of crew members for a limited time only, teach these younger guys what to look for and how to vote (they'll also learn more about battling in the process) and after that time is up, the crews don't have to cap anymore. As it stands, though, there are too many tournaments where the sane crew members are participating, which equals slept on battles and no voting.

The voting on battles with Murda is bad, granted. But jesus this isn't the biggest disaster in the world, your proposition means crews like Bakers, Murda and AC's are going to have to destroy their own shit for the sake of a couple of votes on a few slept on battles and your plan not even work, it's just a proposition. I think it's easy for you to say it when you're a member of LOD which doesn't have a large number of members. We've taken months building our crews, personally Bakers is like a family to me I talk to a lot of you guys via IM so to have to pick favourites and kick people because you want a few more votes on your battles is just madness.

I'm not saying kick anyone you currently have because that's unfair anf wrong to ask, but putting a cap on who you recruit just might help the situation a little bit. What I'm starting to find ridiculous is some of the double crews like AC's/Chloro and MM/Dojo. Chloro doesn't really exist, anymore, and I don't see many Dojo guys elevating, to be perfectly honest. So the point I'm trying to make with that is : if you're not elevating the younger guys, then you're pretty much diluting the voting pool with the double crews.

I can understand the argument on double crews. That proposition is more reasonable but IDK. Lets try to up the voting activity first, why not come up with ideas to do that? More rewards for voting.

@Nicholas Isn't @Pugz trying to work on something for that?

IDK hopefully...

Thats tru..

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great idea.. up the rewards for voting..

OR lower the amount of credits u get when u vote to generate more votes, right?

We'll see @Nicholas but still. After the Chloro project (which was good while it lasted) and Dojo not showing much of any improvement, the secondary crew thing needs to stop. People should just make their own crews and have the D.I.Y mentality. It would definitely help out with voting and crew activity. I know I may be sounding hypocritical here, considering I'm a member of an already established crew and I get that, but I am not in the position to lead a crew yet. I still have a lot to learn, whereas others can and should lead their own crews and do it their own way.

I'm going to sound like a bit of a douche here but here's an observation from a lot of years on Letsbeef. Being a vet doesn't mean you can run a great crew, it means you get a headstart on attracting members in the beginning but that's all. So long as you have a decent amount of respect you can run a great crew; look at Me, Eth, X-Calibur that's AC's, Bakers and Apoc and I'm just naming recent crews. I wouldn't call any of us vets, we're experienced on the site and we have a decent level of respect but we're not HOFers. Over the years I know Eth has started or ran some brilliant crews, I've ran a lot of Top 5 crews but nothing legendary (until now, Bakers are coming though ;) ) . Actually, come to think of it look at HVK he started Classick, I know Rule kind of took the baton but he started it and ran it for some time.

Some people make great leaders, others can't run a crew to save their lives and that's fine. People are different, just because someone sucks at running a crew doesn't mean they can't be a great member or sick battler.

This whole elevation crew stuff is new anyway, back in the day you got in a decent crew if you were a great battler. If you weren't, you didn't. I think this is a product of there simply not being enough great battlers out there atm, so we have to help build them up. That and a lot of the truly good battlers that are around are tied up in Murda..... fuck those dudes. :guns: :D

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Credits work to a degree but they're flawed. If someone has a period of voting a lot then they can sit back and not have to vote for months, or even forever (like myself, I could never vote again). I think credits should be temporary, perhaps they should only last a month and then they reset back to 0. ( @Pugz what do you think?)

Great idea again... that would have people needing to vote every month.. I like this.. all in the name of SITE Elevation.. Crew elevation comes second.. no site.. no crews to worry about..

Lets keep building..

*looks at both MM and LOD crews..sees both crews have over 10 ppl*


*irony of thread is too strong*


*leaves thread*

Comin From A Guy In 2 Crews LOL

Fuck Outta Here...You Wasn't Ever Sayin This Bout AC's...you a FUCK BOY

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@Duh Great Whyte @FreezyCT If you aren't here to put in any valuable input to help the situation, then you don't have any right being in my thread. So get the fuck out.

You are so completely two faced that it isn't even funny at this point, Whyte

Co-signed. Whyte is temperamental as fuck, another LB dude that should be tested for mental health problems. *





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Stephen fry is still one of my heroes.

i agree w/ Duh Great Whyte... how can u criticize MM for stoppin voting @Lockhart wen u are in two of tha sites TOP CREWS?? like u cant vote on me n dissizits tag team battle because shu is in BSI?? at tha same time LoD can't vote on battles w/ shu as BSI cant vote on battles w/ Lock.. shits only adding to tha problem.

But yes, me n dono are planning on disbanning tha dojo.. jus tryna get tha yunguns prepared before we ship them off, or promote them to MM...But I WILL NOT KICK ONE MEMEBER OF MA CREW jus for tha sake of a couple votes...

dont know if ive repeated anything or took a step backwards from where tha thread was goin.. jus put in ma face value.

BUT I DO AGREE, U can't blame a battle havin two votes on one crew having alotta members wen there's 100,000 niggas on this site. ppl need to start voting... I see this shit everyday.. ppl will literally not vote unless u post in their thread, like IF U ARE NOT FVC THEN NO ONE SHUD HAVE TO GO THREW ALL THAT EXTRA SHIT JUS TO GET A VOTE. Jus click on tha link read tha verses and help make tha site better rather than complain about what's not being done.

lastly, @Duh Great Whyte.. Lock asked me to tell u to shut up please. so yeah, i guess thats out there now.

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@Lockhart drop me a link to this Punk text tournament battle and I will drop an FV on shit.

ALSO, as you all may be aware, I have been trying to vote on both text and audio. I encourage others to cross formats when it comes to voting in order to make the site more active. Props to Lockhart and other FVC members for starting to do the same…. thats good lookin'.

ON THE OTHER HAND, I don't think breaking up double crews is the answer… as it also has clearly started conflict between active users who we all prefer not to fall off.
@GRizzEAT

Instead I think the site needs to obviously boost membership, which can only be done partially through more activity.

VOTE ON BOTH AUDIO & TEXT is a decent first step solution that may help solve this problem.

-FREAK- FV Thread -> http://www.letsbeef.com/forums/showt...=137652&page=3

Nick, Fidel still says no:D

No need for elevation crews. I took @Subreal under my wing and he was not in any crew of mine.

@Jason has taken me under his and I'm not in MFD, so the elevation crews have run their course.

I haven't asked Fidel to join BSI in ages. You're getting out of touch Grizz, keep an eye on those pawns.

Lol @GRizzEAT bahahahahahahaha

*dies*

@Lockhart, bro i was just statin the facts that you r complaining about somethin u urself are helping cause, if u want votes do what anarchist, or manhattan did, make your own crew, take your multis n do what u gotta bro

Other wise i see this thread as so fuckin stupid and the reason i added input in the first place

And btw lock, i'll tell u myself

SUCK A DICK

Everyone is always so dang heated on this here website… sometimes myself, rarely, included… geez.

First off, we aren't bros, so don't call me bro.

Second, how exactly am I hurting the situation I want to be solved? My choice with which crew I want to be in is my choice. They have NOTHING to do with this besides maybe 2 other people like MAN DOWN and Dysfunctional considering how the others aren't active in text.

Third, that is your opinion and you're entitled to it, but their are others (including crew members of yours) that agree with this situation.

Finally, I don't care what you have to tell me. You have nothing to do with this thread if you're not trying to help the situation. Also if that insult is the best you can do, you might as well give up battling altogether because that shit's been played out.

Moving on.

I agree to a certain extent, I think there should be like a 15/20 person cap on crews. Considering the current activity a day is around 50 something people logged on at the highest. But in all fairness, it's hard to just tell a crew they can't recruit that many people. That's like telling the Yankees to stop buying championships. :D But this is a rough matter cause it's hard to get votes. Like when ACs had all their members and we battled a MM person, the battle gets like 2-3 votes lol.

Do Crew Battles Work Though? I'm Not Talking Forum Based.

^^LOL

*Runs From Thread In Fear*

LOL

Don't think so.

I Think That Would Fix A Lot Of Problems. Crews Would Be Able To Battle And Actually See Where They Stand On A Daily Basis. I Think That's What Is Really Keeping Crews Inactive And Just Talking Shit. Plus It'll Break Up Some Crews Cause They'll Notice People Aren't As Good As They Seem (When They're Battling Better People In Better Crews, etc.) :high: