The Holocaust did happen you racist fuck.
 

First off, what the fuck. Second, thank you to @Jason and @Just C for closing that thread, and you may close this one too. Before you do, I need to put my word in:

Pulse/ @Godbody, you coming to LetsBeef with a Holocaust denying attitude is, in fact, racism (also edging on ban-worthy).

Gas chambers were never disproved, neither were the furnaces where they burned jews and others (blacks, gays, gypsies, etc).

I sat down with a relative when I was young who gave me her first hand account of being in Auschwitz, surviving and escaping during the death marches. A whole branch from my family tree was ruthlessly murdered.....

So, fuck you. Go read a book (Elie Wiesel's "Night" or Victor Frankl's "Man's Search for Meaning", ect.) or go actually visit those camps in Poland.

Just don't come on hear again speaking such offensive ignorant garbage. That would be like me creating a thread to deny the Middle Passage and slavery of African Americans... which I would never do, because that is clearly not the truth.

Try to show some respect.

- FREAK

The idea that the Holocaust was made up as a premise for war with Germany is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. The fact that Germany was invading Poland and neighbouring countries and plotting to take over Europe wasn't enough...they had to make up a Holocaust story to find a reason to go to war with them? Smfh.

Pulse makes me want to say the N word sometimes

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And by N word I mean negative asshat

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And by N word I mean negative asshat

@Jason , I apologize for my strong reaction, but there are few things that hit close to home and that is one of them for me.

My relative I referred to actually got on Schindler's list and gave up her spot for a chunk of diamond, so that she could more importantly be with her little sister.

The two of them were able to flee into a barn when the Germans started death marching prisoners back towards Germany from Poland. As the story goes, the Polish farmers were Nazi sympathizers, but were afraid of the approaching Russian front and therefore didn't give up the location of these two Jewish girls. On the other hand, my relative still believed the farmer's wife stole her diamond, because she never saw it after the Russian's came.

I guess growing up with all the first hand stories, everything from spoken to recorded writings and on film, makes me feel very strongly.

Also, one day in my crazy adolescent years (maybe even in College) when I was raging about inner hatred and my own Judaism, I antagonistically asked my Mom why she was so self-victimizing as a Jew.

Her response was something like, "because I'm still afraid of being negatively identified, lined up against a wall and shot."

Those words from my mother's mouth left an imprint. Now, I just don't stand for historic revisionism of such a traumatic event (or any other for that matter).

I do agree that it is good the Germans have definitely made strives to overcome their violent recent past through historic education.

-FREAK-

Shoutout to the germans

Well, somebody needs a history book yo

Speaking my mind in a public forum is racist and ban worthy? At least I'm contributing content that gets kids like you riled up & into the discussion. That's the point of a public forum. For people to come together and share their opinions. For someone to clear up a question another person has, or to contribute to an argument, or to debunk one.

I'm part German myself, and Steven Spielberg made some bullshit propaganda movie called "The Last Days" where he gets soldiers and Holocaust 'survivors' to tell their story of what happened. & Guess what? A lot of those people were exposed for being liars. You'll see people getting interviewed to audition for the movie & they change their story for the movie for dramatic purposes. There's this one black soldier that said his negro unit liberated a camp and they saw some incredibly crazy shit. The funny shit is..documents & records show that the dude was nowhere near the camp he supposedly liberated

Every war has a premise and not every premise is true. & While not every premise is a lie, that doesn't mean someone won't stretch the truth to accomplish a specific goal. How come there's jews giving their video taped account of what happened, saying they were treated fairly? Saying they were given meals, eating well, playing instruments? a WORK camp =/= DEATH camp. The premise for the war was that Hitler was EXTERMINATING jews. Nah, Hitler didn't do anything differently than the American forefathers by slaving people and killing them when they were too emaciated to continue.

If that's the case we should go back in history to the U.S. indentured servitude and slavery and rename that shit the "Black Holocaust".

U.S. slaves were treated way more unfairly, thrown in boats by hundreds, if not thousands. Shitting and pissing all over each other, dying on top of each other...In the ocean for God knows how many days, weeks, or months. Some were even throw overboard for shits and giggles. Let's not be an overly sensitive bitch about shit you weren't even alive for. All we can do is try to understand what happened and try to find the truth, rather than gravitating to the story that EVERYONE is told about history.

History is written by the winners, never forget this.

& by the way @NOBLE , the U.S. had no reason to interfere with what Germany was doing. That's European business. The Europeans were more than capable of dealing with Germany. And in one of Hitler's famous speeches, he addresses the fact that all the European nations were willing to resolve the conflict peacefully while the U.S. president at the time (Roosevelt) was hell bent on war. Of course the Holocaust wouldn't have been the only premise, but why does the U.S. act as the World Police? The U.S. loves fixing the problems of the world without fixing its own problems. Its why we're fucked now.

Wow man. Just, wow.

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And this "Hitler's famous speeches, he addresses the fact that all the European nations were willing to resolve the conflict peacefully" right, cuz Hitler was the epitome of a stand up honest guy. Fuck dude.

Germany openly embraces the tragedy? You mean the descendants of 'war criminals' that have no idea what actually took place because they were TOLD what happened rather than witnessing it.

Every now and then you'll find a 90 year old nazi dude on the news getting arrested for his crimes or w/e because Nazis did do horrible shit. Nobody is denying the existence of the Nazi Regime or Hitler's Aryan aspirations.

The Germans have produced some of the greatest thinkers & inventors the world has seen. A work/experimental camp =/= death camp. & By the way, what if Hitler was right about the Jews and they were the reason behind the economic collapse? I'm by no means anti-semitic, but just because this chapter of history is presented in a way to make us jewish sympathizers and dare I say anti-German, doesn't mean the jews were innocent and the Germans evil.

We all know Germany lost both world wars. Let me iterate again, @Jason , that history is written by the winners.

There will always be that kid that could've been better than Jordan
At a time when Jordan was getting all the press because he was an NBA champion

There's always going to be the American tradition of Thanksgiving, where we give thanks for what we have and it's supposed to represent the bonding of the culture clash that is native americans & european pilgrims.

Yet the pilgrims killed the Native Americans, forced them west, and marched hundreds of thousands of them to their deaths.

Christopher Colombus..We get a day off for this dude. Supposedly he said the world was round and set out to discover new land. We credit him with finding America

He didn't find America. He & his men pillaged Caribbean islands, killed the innocent people of those islands, and raped their women.

You guys think I'm insensitive & ignorant for being skeptical? Nah. You're the ignorant ones for constantly being pulled in a web of lies and standing by them because an authoritative figure says they happened

what the fuck does a kid breaking a ball in a house have to do with Germany not owning up to what they did?

Let me make it clearer for you. Germany takes responsibility for what happened because during that time, there was a propaganda war. in fact the word propaganda was invented during that time period. German propaganda against the jews. U.S. propaganda against Japan

The whole world was going batshit crazy. what the fuck did the Holocaust have to do with Japan? Ask yourself that. Japan attacked Pearl Harbor. Why did Japan attack Pearl Harbor and why did they ally with Germany? Ask yourself that. you're not asking yourself the important questions because, obviously, we're the winners. We're still here today and thats why history is written the way its written. & Its been written to make us Jewish sympathizers. From the days of Jesus Christ to as recent as 1950. Do your research before jumping to conclusions for no other reason than "da Germinzz accept responsibility" or "i herd dis in skool" or "i saw d pikshas of d starvin jews yo dat cant be faked mayne"

lol

I'd argue that 50% of history is SCRIPTED and these chess moves are given a premise to make the scripted seem unscripted

@Godbody I read up until you mentioned something about Spielberg and a propaganda movie with fake actors and realized your main argument has no backbone or merit so I just stopped there. Nice troll though.

These other kids will feed you.

I'm not saying things don't exist because I don't see them

On the contrary, I'm saying you might not be seeing the big picture or you might not be understanding a certain time period in history because you didn't see it. Because it's only documented. And the people that write history are the ones that win. Thats all I'm sayin.

Pursuing a topic that makes people think and dig shit up and research and challenge the knowledge given to them by authoritative figures that lie time and time again doesn't make me a shameless person. It's shameless to live life like a useless sack of shit while acts of evil & deception go on around you and you refuse to acknowledge them

LMFAO @Godbody you're a diehard conspiracy theorist, dude. You probably think tap water will kill you.

hahahaha. I'm fucking dead

@Phroxen , you're such a conspiracy theorist you might actually believe you get more bitches than me and live larger than me

That has pretty much been the theme of every Pulse thread since he invented the internet. It took a minute but you finally nailed this thread.

No need to continue. game over.

Dude, I normally won't criticize what you say because on some level I can relate. Most of the things you say sounds like me from 10 years ago (real talk). But with this one, you're way off the mark. There were various reasons why WWII happened, but Hitler killing the Jews was probably the LAST reason any of the European countries went to war with Germany. The Jews had been hated and persecuted in virtually every European country throughout history because they were considered as other. Germany is widely considered the European "Fatherland" because most northern Europeans trace their ancestry to Germanic or "Teutonic" tribes, including the English and the French. You really think that they went to war to save the Jews?
WWII happened because Adolf Hitler was on some expansionist shit. He had merged Germany with Austria which they told him not to, refused to pay reparations for WWI damages which Germany owed according to the Treaty of Versailles, invaded Czechoslovakia which was in direct contravention of the Munich agreement, and then he invaded Poland after he said he wouldn't and that he wasn't on no expansionist trip. Pretty much, other countries started to feel like Germany was becoming too strong and if they didn't go to war with them, they would be the next one invaded.
The US joined because they were attacked by Japan in Pearl Harbour. Japan was an ally to Germany in a war that was already ongoing so that automatically pitted the US and Germany against each other. Just do the research for yourself (http://www.historyonthenet.com/WW2/causes.htm).
And yes, neither you nor I were alive when all this occurred, and you're right that history is always told by the victor and there were propaganda from both sides. But you'd have to use your own logic and look at the situation. If a country whom we had previously went to war with owed us money and didn't pay and they were expanding rapidly and conquering neighbouring territories and it looks like we might be next, you really think they'd have to kill some minorities living within their territory first before we decide to bomb the shit out of them? It makes absolutely no sense.
And considering the horrific nature of what did occur to the Jewish people in Germany, it's like a spit on the face when someone like you comes up and says it never happened.

.........................what the fuck is even happening? This is like saying "Hey, 1+1 =2" then the person saying the entire system of math was structured wrong & the answer is really 16...

Pulse is human garbage and a complete moron.

lol...the whole purpose of this thread was for pulse to get feeded on.. wait a minute. no thats not true.. it's actually pugz and mindless that wanna create more activity in the forums of letsbeef, to possibly enhance an educational aspect of the site, in order to eventually promote their new site called LETS THINK.COM... no, thats not true either....its really (insert theory here).....................zzzzzzzz..

... So you've succesfully "debunked" a Steven Spielberg movie, not the occurence of the holocaust.

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Ahhh i see what's going on here. You want the world to consensus to view black slavery as a more tragic piece of history than the holocaust. In my honest opinion, I'd say they are both extremely tragic, and would not fault anyone for feeling more strongly about one or the other. The thing is, there are reasons that the horror of the holocaust is generally felt more. Firstly, it happened more recently. Secondly, a much greater ammount of lives were taken, and lastly it happened over a much, much shorter period of time which is naturally more shocking.

Mindless it's understandable that you're mad because you're Jewish and were probably told war stories of what occurred. I'm not saying horrible things didn't occur, I'm just saying you weren't there so give me indisputable evidence that it happened or stfu, and that goes for everyone. Everyone thinks I'm wrong because Germany takes blame for it and history says this and history says that

I'm saying a large number of Jews stretched the truth in an effort to get everyone to sympathize with them more, creating an unnecessary amount of hate for Germany and depicting Germany in a negative light by generalizing its peoples as Nazis or anti-semites. Don't call me garbage because your peoples have a history of playing the victim role when Jews are actually at the top of the power structure in terms of a lot of the institutions that exist today.

Who gives a fuck what you learn in school or read in history books. For the last time, history was written by the winners. I want you guys to challenge authority and in doing so, challenge yourself and the common consensus. I'm not an anti-semitic person or a nazi sympathizer. The internet is an expansive, informative, crazy, place. That's the beauty of coming together in a forum where all the answers and supporting arguments are only a tab away

Only I won't be the one providing the supporting arguments to my claims anymore. The Godbody answers to no one but questions everything.... :high:

LMAOOOO! Listen bro, that whole "world police" idea came after World War 2. The first notion of it started during the beginning of the cold war when the "war on communism" became a popular in political discussions.
Did you forget about the attacks on Pearl Harbor? The reason for that attack was that the United States had cut off exports to Japan, after they fucked with our allies in Europe. Did you forget that 3 days after the Pearl Harbor attacks, Germany and Italy both declared war on the United States? Were you aware that the United States was much more involved in the conflicts concerning Italy and Japan than they were with Germany, and that it was the Soviet Union who invaded Germany, not the U.S.?

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It's interesting how you feel that any evidence supporting any claim you are making is indisputable, whereas any evidence supporting the argument is disputable. You say fuck history books because they were all written by winners. Are all winners liars? If so, were the books about black slavery not written by winners? Do you see the flaws in your logic?

What flaws in my logic? YOUR logic is that all winners are liars. That's not my logic. My logic is that winners write history, therefore they write history to THEIR liking. There is nothing disputable about that. The history books didn't erase the slavery part because they know it's incredibly unrealistic to instill the idea in the minds of today's youth that our country is a fucking Utopia founded by Utopians...In a manner where not a life was lost & not a single injustice occured. If that's the case niggas would still be watching Disney movies well into their 30's.

& I was the first in the thread to say we went to war with Japan because of Pearl Harbor. Why are you repeating what I already stated? The point I'm getting @ is Japan bombed Pearl Harbor & most of the Japanese were fine with it due to the propagandist culture that was rampant in the world during that time period

What makes you think there isn't a propaganda war going on now? What makes you think there wasn't a propaganda war going on throughout several countries in order to kickstart a World War? After all, a World War does take more than 2 countries.

I love how Pulse completely ignored Nobles post. Brilliant!

Hahaha like you ever have.

I didn't ignore NOBLE's post. I can find the same post in any history book. & I respect NOBLE's opinion.

Pulse stoops to a new level of faggotry.

LOL you really are both insane and stupid. You said, "YOUR logic is that all winners are liars. That's not my logic." The problem with that statement, is that I was asking you a question, it has nothing to do with my own logic. If you're saying that I've mistakenly inferred your point to be that all winners are liars, then please tell me where I went wrong. When you use the phrase "all history is written by winners" as part of debunking the holocaust as a myth, then what else am I to think is your purpose for using the phrase?
Also, how is it that you got the idea that I'm denying the existence of propaganda wars? I'm simply supporting the argument that the holocaust did indeed occur regardless of the details, and that the U.S. had more than enough reason to become part of WW2, not one of the reasons neccessarily being the holocaust. Those were the only 2 actual assertions I made. LOOOOLLL, you're all over the place bro, lay off of the glass dick.
Lastly, nowhere did I see you mention Pearl Harbor, but then I didn't read the initial thread, or this thread in its entirety. Either way, you said that the U.S. had no business being involved. I was merely providing the perfectly legitimate reasons in the form of rhetorical questioning.

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By the way, the logic in the statement, "winners write history, therefore they write history to their liking" is inherently flawed mostly due to the word "therefore." My comprehension level is high enough to understand the message you were attempting to convey by automatically substituting the word "and" for "therefore," but I figured I would point that out. Also, I must say that the statement is absolutely disputable, especially if used to describe history written within the last century.

lol @ insane and dumb.

Apparently anyone that fucks a large amount of bitches and makes more money than his LetsBeef counterparts is insane and dumb.. & Yes that is YOUR logic. You're inferring that its my logic, which its not. And therefore works in that sentence

Therefore - As a result of

Soooooo...lets stop talkin logic like we understand logic because I could probably give all of you an equation in the form of a word problem and ask you to prove it in a truth table (p's and q's) and a large percentage of you wouldn't even know how to prove if the statement in the word problem is true or false using P's and Q's.

The point I'm making is you should all stop throwin the word logic around like ya'll got degrees and PhD's...I throw the word logic around because i'm The Godbody and my logic is always infallible and never warrants any kind of questioning.

Ra is Law...

^ lol I don't think he realized how dumb he sound when typing those bullshit facts that he only dare post his fakecshit on line and hiding behind his computer. Stop sounding like u know so much talking about pearl harbour kid. Time to take ur bubble bath and go to bed before ur mother smack u silly. What a dumbass kid haha

Who is this Snoopy kid? He must be a bum because I've never seen or heard of this nigga til today. He definitely didn't beat anybody important because if he did he'd be in a better crew instead of a crew thats a spinoff of my name & me.

It doesn't surprise me to see that your lack of knowledge of the word's definition has left you ill-equipped to properly use it in a sentence. The word "therefore" is definitely not defined by the phrase "as a result of." It is in fact an adverb, so a better definition would be, "for that/this reason," but I doubt you see the difference in those phrases. Try a synonym for "therefore" such as "consequently" in your sentence. You're essentially saying that the reason winners write history to their liking is that they write history. LMAOOOO Do you not see the problem? No, I guess you don't, but hey, you still know a lot of cool terms like truth tables that you can throw around and impress fellow idiots. By the way, money made and bitches fucked are not measurements of intelligence nor sanity.

Oh, and while I'm at it, why don't I nitpick your use of the phrase "degrees and PhD's?" Do you know what redundancy is? PhD's are degrees dumbass. Though I could tear apart all of your comments word by word, I have to choose the areas that most entertain me. I'm sure you understand.

Hey god wannabe, u got 20 cats saying ur lacking knowledge kid. Go back to school before u pretend to type smart. Pay more attention to the history lesson this time. laying a diss on someone who made u look little makes u look even more pity. U know that don't u?

Well, your denial for claiming the 'holocaust never happened' bullshit is well understood now.

there·fore [thair-fawr, -fohr] Show IPA
adverb
in consequence of that; as a result; consequently: I think; therefore I am.


Stop trying so hard to sound intelligent. You'll never win an argument concerning my usage of grammar. Niggas know what they're talking about. Fuck are you like 15?

Of COURSE therefore works in that context. It works 1,000%

The example sentence is "I think, therefore I am"

I think, therefore(as a result), I am

They win, therefore(as a result) they write history to their liking

& There is no redundancy in saying PhDs and degrees.. Degrees entails every kind of degree there is pther than PhDs in that context. Associates, Bachelors, Masters, etc..... a PhD is a doctorate degree and the highest degree you can have. For the sake of not listing the lesser degrees, I said PhDs & degrees. And again, degrees entails every other degree that isn't a PhD

You're defiinitely like 15. It's cute though. You're trying too hard to look stupid. Try less.

How do we know that the voices in your head tellin u THEYRE OUT TO GET YOU isnt really demons?

@Jason , the thing is you can't Google your way into finding evidence of the Holocaust happening. You can see some pictures in black and white of camps. You can see pictures of people so skinny their bones are poppin out. You can find pictures of people in barracks. But you can't Google any solid evidence of the Holocaust happening.

EVERY PIECE OF 'EVIDENCE' of the Holocaust happening can easily be produced and fabricated.

Remember how not a single plane was seen hitting the Pentagon? Yet it caught fire and there were scraps of metal all over the floor. & Don't tell me a plane DID hit the Pentagon, because then I'll ask you for video evidence of it happening (there's not 1 video of the plane hitting the Pentagon)
...Shit, I can Google the first moon landing, which people believe to be a hoax made in a movie studio.

So if it's possible the moon landing is a hoax, why can't the Holohoax be one?

Like I said, the winners write history and they write w/e the fuck they want you to know. Next you're gonna say George Washington was the first president even though its a well known fact there were presidents before him.

But why do they teach that he's the first president?


Your ancestors don't know what the fuck was going on @ Mindless & OP... They're passing on stories based on propaganda and fear. I bet not one of them saw a concentration camp or the horrific atrocities we claim the Nazis did. All your grandparents and aunts know is that WWII was breakin out and shit the hit the fan. That's probably why they don't deny the Holocaust. Shit was so chaotic and everyone was out to get Germany for invading Poland and whatnot that in the midst of all the chaos its so easy to fabricate a story that implicates Germany as the biggest war criminal ever. & Obviously the average German citizen doesnt know whats going on so when U.S. boots hit the floor and tell the German citizens that Hitler is systematically killing jews of course they have no choice but to accept it as the truth. If not when the U.S. kicks Germany's door down, then when France & Italy come knockin

Telling me the Holocaust happened without being there, but claiming your aunts and grandmas have stories is the dumbest crock of shit I've read anywhere

I wuznt der when Jesus Christ walked d erf but its dokumented ya he walked on water its dokumented lolzzz my grandma told me d story of d bible so Ima takee her word for it cuz i wasnt there

The fuck? How dumb do ya'll sound

Jews aren't a race... so how is that racism @FREAK MC?

@Indonesia , a large percent of Jews are of Easter European ethnicity and share in a value system as a people.

Even if Judaism is a religion and not a race, it has been subject to a specific culture that has in turn produced negative racial stereotypes (Jew's big noses, neurosis, greed, stinginess, etc.)

As far as I'm concerned race is a shitty concept to begin with, as it groups people based on phenotypical differences (color of skin, etc) rather than regional, cultural differences as ethnicity is more likely to do.

Either way you should get the point that Holocaust denying is essentially racist, because you are attempting at revising history to ignore the blatant mass killing of statistical minorities (whether jews, blacks or gypsies).

Is that an acceptable explanation?

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@Godbody , My issue is you being clearly connected to the history of Western slavery of African Americans, but evidently its okay to accuse me of being overly sensitive about the Holocaust as a Jew?

I wrote about a family member who I met IN REAL LIFE who told me their Holocaust experience that HAPPENED IN REAL LIFE.... fuck a text book that was straight from the primary source.

How could you downplay one piece of history and ignore another? Your immediate defense was to compare the quality of two of human history's worst modern tragedies...

I would never claim slaver or the Holocaust as being more or less worse than the other... that's a useless judgment seeing as both were awful and killed millions of innocent people.

Next time you come on here and claim something clearly not true, you should think about how it is actually disrespectful. Plus, I am quite sure you didn't even read my whole posts that were real talk.... so get out of here with your fake antagonistic bullshit.

-FREAK-