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GOOD GRIEF 05-01-2012 06:11 PM

The Million Dollar Question... (
 
are battles won by the guy with the better verse, or the guy with the most votes?

before yall all go "WAAAAH? THATS THE SAME THING!!" no its not. think about it. aint that hard.

thing is you COULD say the guy with the better verse which you predictable fucks were prob about to say... but thats bull. folks straight up get robbed on here. how do you vote? i KNOW that folks always have diff opinions on here about voting but i vote mostly on punchlines. if punches are even you vote on flow/consistency and etc. just becuz i think punchlines are the bulk of battling. i dont really like that filler style of goin on and on with flow and multis but weak punchlines. i understand others have diff opinions again but there HAS to be some kind of basic form of voting we all have. where we take that base... and use it despite the bias everyone has (including me) and say "even though i prefer this dudes flow more, overall the other guy won in all other aspects even though i REALLY like punches in battles." i dont really want to ramble on cuz i know how folks hate reading these days but do you get me? it just feels like opinion is too heavy on here. people dont go in depth and really THINK about there votes. they dont analyze the shit. and when someone loses and they honestly feel like they won... and they go into the forums and talk to argue it... its considered bitching. if i argue over something i feel like i dont deserve its bitching? was martin luther king "bitching" when he spoke against segregation when he felt he didnt deserve it? you want me to take something i dont deserve like a man? answer me this.. is it possible to take a sexual rape "like a man"?

Ticket 05-01-2012 06:19 PM

borrrrrriiiiiiing

Just C 05-01-2012 06:21 PM

What's your point?

Phil Banks 05-01-2012 06:23 PM

why dont you mention some battles you think ppl got robbed in spice it up some

Just C 05-01-2012 06:24 PM

Yeah stop being a pussy.

IV 05-01-2012 06:28 PM

I agree with you to be honest. I vote for the most entertaining verse over hardest punches. Arguable punches = the 'better' verse

GOOD GRIEF 05-01-2012 06:29 PM

point is...


1. i feel like folks arent voting realistically anymore. they arent taking played punchlines into consideration, slightly forced shit, etc.

2. people dont take uneducated votes into consideration. im not saying noob votes should be erased or sum but damn. c'mon now.

3. folks too afraid to put full on expos out and actually.. idk... THINK about battle verses.

4. i think battles should, on request, be seriously broken down in a thread bar for bar, weighed and reconsidered if possible.

just shit like that.

RhetoriK 05-01-2012 06:30 PM

iono man. thats still pretty open ended. i vote for the better OVERALL verse. you have to factor all that shit into it when you're voting on battles. i mean this is subject to a never-ending game of "what if" right?

the better verse wins in my opinion. i have stylistic preferences, but that the kinda shit you have to filter when voting objectively.

GOOD GRIEF 05-01-2012 06:37 PM

the reason i didnt post battles was becuz i didnt want niggas saying i was "bitching" like i previously mentioned. but just off the top of my head id say Rainy and Ticket, me and TalkSick, and me and remarK. just off my head. and in no way am i mad or butt hurt at those dudes. i just honestly thought i won. the point of this thread is too address bias a bit and lame voting. get me?

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like for instance.. me and Talk's league bout... Askari told me i had all the FVC+mod votes and that he didnt know why i lost. i dont really know either. i asked RULE and Rhet about it and they said that there was no problem on the battle (even though a lot of the votes were from no avatar dudes if you get me) and that there was no reason to change it. again i aint mad at anyone here, i just disagree. i wish battles could be more indepthly explained at least so im not stuck here goin "why the fuck...?" that more stuff needs to go into account when deciding battles.

IV 05-01-2012 06:42 PM

I think everybody has different views of what is the most important thing in a battle.

Wordplay; some people LOVE wordplay, e.g. SWAVY, DeNiro B Milk.

Flow / schemes; I don't know how people use flow in a text battle, but I see it a lot. So I guess 'readability' and structure is the most important factor for some voters. This is a deciding point with Rhet, Vitriol and Askari.

Punches; The majority of the site vote on punches I would have thought, RULE, May, UNKNOWN ARTIST, yourself.

Personals; I think this is the second most important factor in a battle, if somebody is personal with it and it's REAL, even if the punches lack slightly but hit hard enough, then that tips it for me. Personals > Fake personals.

Entertainment; Most important, punches can be dope, if i'm bored... i'm fucking bored. Gotta be entertained. I know others like FUEL, FAME and Vitriol vote strongly on this.

Comedy; Important to people like FAME and FUEL again, similar to above. Jokes > Shitty bars. Bars > Jokes for me.

Creativity and Originality; I think a lot of people are starting to vote on this, if a line/bar/verse is played the it losses a LOT of points instantly. Rarely see a played verse come up as the winner at the moment (apart from MaCcs verses)

Probably missed a LOT. It's difficult to say 'the best verse' and everybody agree as everybody has different ideas on what makes something the best.

GOOD GRIEF 05-01-2012 07:08 PM

what i want you guys to do is that^.. come up with a non bias voting rubric. or just your personaly voting. do you think punchlines are slightly above all? do you think everything is even? or do you prefer something else?

RhetoriK 05-01-2012 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GOOD GRIEF (Post 791453)
the reason i didnt post battles was becuz i didnt want niggas saying i was "bitching" like i previously mentioned. but just off the top of my head id say Rainy and Ticket, me and TalkSick, and me and remarK. just off my head. and in no way am i mad or butt hurt at those dudes. i just honestly thought i won. the point of this thread is too address bias a bit and lame voting. get me?

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like for instance.. me and Talk's league bout... Askari told me i had all the FVC+mod votes and that he didnt know why i lost. i dont really know either. i asked RULE and Rhet about it and they said that there was no problem on the battle (even though a lot of the votes were from no avatar dudes if you get me) and that there was no reason to change it. again i aint mad at anyone here, i just disagree. i wish battles could be more indepthly explained at least so im not stuck here goin "why the fuck...?" that more stuff needs to go into account when deciding battles.


when i said there wasn't any problems on the battle it had nothing to do with the avatars and shit. the rates were on par with the battle in general and there wasn't any reason to make changes.

Phil Banks 05-01-2012 07:14 PM

6 losses i feel i got jerked n a few fuck it..... audio wise its hard to dumb it down in a battle i dunno it weird so fuck it

GOOD GRIEF 05-01-2012 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RhetoriKā„¢ (Post 791474)
when i said there wasn't any problems on the battle it had nothing to do with the avatars and shit. the rates were on par with the battle in general and there wasn't any reason to make changes.

i honestly could care less about the rates. i just felt the battle needed more experienced voters. i know it wasnt a GC tourney final or nothing but hell. we both know most of the time if you dont see them in the forums they're uneducated. i mean come on now... you know im right. the dude with the most votes won in that situation. THAT was one of the points i was making. not asking it be reverse but for someone to realize the fact i really won it. (this i why i didnt bother bringing it up. lol)

lllllllllllll 05-01-2012 07:21 PM

Better verses > more votes

ViTRiOL 05-01-2012 07:33 PM

Are we talking about the tourney battle here? Or just in general?

Because Mikey did win, that's being honest.

GOOD GRIEF 05-01-2012 07:38 PM

@ViTRiOL NOOOOO FOOOL!!! i aint even bring that up. lol see this is why i aint really feel like posting links and example of robbery. (and yes i agree Mikey won) we talkin in general. this thread was about how voting should be weighed on a base, ways to fix battles people felt they won, etc.

ViTRiOL 05-01-2012 07:47 PM

Oh, okay.

Well, I think people get robbed on the basis of...

1. Champions or big names as their opponent.

2. Massive rookie mistakes being overlooked.

3. Reasonable doubt for who should win.

People don't really READ the verses anymore, in the sense that, they read the verse, but they think about the name before anything else. It's Letsbeef's nature.

TalkSick 05-01-2012 07:54 PM

You didnt get all the Mod votes in our battle @GOOD GRIEF, i checked as well.

GOOD GRIEF 05-01-2012 07:56 PM

thing is... a lot of shit is swept under the rug around here. like no ones really addressing shit. if you lose and you bring it up your accused of "bitching" which i think is just a bit of ploy to avoid actually thinkin about it. like LB is trying to cover up its own flaws by not addressing them and saying "its ok that he won even though didnt deserve it cuz LB is like that. AWWWW WELL! :) nothing we can do." when in fact we can do something... like NOT being dickheads and voting correctly with sense.

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WAAAH? oh well that changes everything @TalkSick (sarcasm). you know i won son. you know i got all the FVC votes. and people THIS is why i really didnt want to bring up battles. i wasnt being a pussy like Just said. i was tryna spare feelins tbh.

Phil Banks 05-01-2012 07:57 PM

ok........

GOOD GRIEF 05-01-2012 08:02 PM

@Phil Bankslol he actually did imo. but /thread @ a mod. dont want this to turn into a complaint thread and really the point of this thread wasnt understood.

TalkSick 05-01-2012 08:54 PM

Whaaa you had ALL the FVC votes? Well that changes everything! (Even though there was only 1 FVC vote, smart ass) As much as i hate to say it, 90% of votes on this site are "prefernce". Me and you have two differnt styles, folks obviously liked mine a little better. It was a very close battle 53% - 47%. You didnt get shafted, kiddo. Now im going to be a grown up about this and simply put it this way : Round 2 if thats how u realy feel.

GOOD GRIEF 05-01-2012 09:25 PM

@TalkSick RULE, Erupt, John Dos, Sandman vs. FUEL and... maybe Phoenix? thats about it on your side. jus sayin. :high:

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and i didnt mean CURRENT FVC members. having the lable and the little usertitle aint shit son. really?... you seriously think those voters are vets and experienced members. get outta denile. you know you won becuz of the noob votes son.

TalkSick 05-01-2012 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GOOD GRIEF (Post 791522)
@TalkSick RULE, Erupt, John Dos, Sandman vs. FUEL and... maybe Phoenix? thats about it on your side. jus sayin. :high:

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and i didnt mean CURRENT FVC members. having the lable and the little usertitle aint shit son. really?... you seriously think those voters are vets and experienced members. get outta denile. you know you won becuz of the noob votes son.

Kid, in what comment, post, quote or mention did i say those were veteran voters? Please let me know. Im going to make this short and sweet because im baffeld by some of your "defense" comments: Your a terrible debater, honestly. Now if you want to be " that guy" who acts like this after every loss? By all means, do you! but il tell you write now, your makin yourself look bad homie. You got away with the "RemarK Thread" , You struggled to come back from your "Jason Thread" but now youve pretty much put the nail in your coffin with this one. Seriously my dude, drop it.

Ps. If you plan on persuing this further, like i said il b more than happy to accept Round 2.

Just C 05-01-2012 09:48 PM

write on....

CSKiLLz 05-01-2012 10:01 PM

@TalkSick V.s. @GOOD GRIEF (32 Lines)

GOOD GRIEF 05-01-2012 10:15 PM

you sittin here right now throwin numbers at me.. i know the percentage of the battle man. im tellin you the people who voted for me were obvs more experienced, while you got all the noob votes and 2 votes from 1 and half good voters. i dont accept votes from anyone outside the forums whether they give me 1s or dimes. i didnt want to start arguing. i said "imo i thought i won." didnt i? i aint mad or hurt. i just wanted you to recognize the fact i actually won the battle and without the inexperienced voters you wouldnt have come as close as you did. @TalkSick it sounds messed up to say which is why i didnt bring up the battle in the first place.

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Phil Banks- why dont you mention some battles you think ppl got robbed in spice it up some

JUST C- Yeah stop being a pussy.

c'mon guys. cant call me a bitch for not bitching and then call me a bitch when i do bitch.


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