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I agree with most of what RULE posted

I do think the track section should be kept simply because we have track makers from the past that have posted and don't come online anymore and it kind of takes away from what they've done cats like Mars, Stotty P, Relly, Punk, myself etc. and then the ratings could go away

I think secondary titles could go on profiles and the main ones like Grand Champ and HOF should stay on forums etc as they currently are.
Which would give the GC and HOF titles more prestige imo.

1 GC for each category would be nice like Audio and Text.

As for a cap on battles, not sure how I feel about that, not sure if that would help activity, as there aren't many battles to begin with....

I don't think titles should be reinstated after account deletions.

@RULE or any mod, feel free to move all irrelevant posts, including my back and forth with Ethan, into a new thread. I don't want the bullshit to get in the way of the topic. Let's stay focused.

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Originally Posted by NOBLE (Post 1215799)

@RULE or any mod, feel free to move all irrelevant posts, including my back and forth with Ethan, into a new thread. I don't want the bullshit to get in the way of the topic. Let's stay focused.

Ethan LMFAO, sounds like the name of a kid who wears scarfs and shit talks on CoD all fuckin day.

This all is very much entertaining. People have joined, people enjoy this stuff...the problem is the power bestowed upon the mods & FVC... i can name atleast 10 very active members in the last month that logged off bc of mods/FVC voting power. Trust is in the wrong hands.

Lmfao @ the mods killed the place.

Dudes about to mention how AfterThought and Murderous Swag ran barzooka off the site

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Originally Posted by NOBLE (Post 1215799)

@RULE or any mod, feel free to move all irrelevant posts, including my back and forth with Ethan, into a new thread. I don't want the bullshit to get in the way of the topic. Let's stay focused.

This is the only thread with posts on it in like 2 years and you want to delete them lmao stfu.

You were admin until2 years ago? Awesome, cool, you were wrong though. You told us a million times and you know you did, that V4 was coming. To stay patient. That there was shit happening the behind the scenes that we werent privy to and that we just needed to have faith and relax. You said this for 10 years. How long do we have to stay patient exactly? Cause not a fucking thing has changed and the site has went EXACTLY like guys like me and Pulse told you. Instead of trying to take action, you guys just sat around telling everyone to stop complaining. Now the site is dead as fuck and you guys think proposing coding changes that X wont do and deleting usertitles is going to make a single bit of difference.

For you guys who cosign all of these, please explain to me how that gets us new members to a 2007 designed website that doesn't have any form of promotion or advertisement. If any of you can answer me that, I'll jump on board and work full time for LB.

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Originally Posted by RULE (Post 1215717)

This is a list of my proposal to improve Letsbeef from an in-site context.

We know a lot of modifications need to be done as far as coding, mobile-friendly etc etc but this is strictly to improve / make the site more appealing.

1. Usertitles Deleted

So im in two minds over this point, so my proposal is one of these two options:

A) All usertitles, besides staff title & HoF'er are removed, and only titles won as of Jan 2022 onwards will be awarded (This is to work along side a much more reduced tourney schedule which i'll propose later).

B) All usertitles are to receive an expiry period of 5 years. This excludes HoF & staff titles.

A section can be put on a users profile (in place of the award system perhaps) to permanently display usertitles.

I think when you see 20+ people with 5 titles apiece it reduces the desire to win them. When i started on this site 5% of users had titles, now it seems like 50% do.

2. Reduced Tournament Schedule

I think we should strip it back to the basics. Two tournament max a year, One a Grand Championship perhaps?

I think we need tournaments to become more special and unique. If you have one / two every month it gets too much.

I think one tournament a year should definitely have a cash prize.

3. Forum Cleanse

Ive started this discussion here: https://www.letsbeef.com/forums/showthread.php?t=172808

Strip the site back, make less forums, less clutter.

4. Close the Unranked & Exclusive Battle Sections

Again, too much clutter, and never used.

5. Audio Battles - Written Only

Freestyle battles are generally abused i find, let's make all battles officially written. Less drama that way.

6. Cypher Sections Reduced

Audio section closed (Audio cyphers are pretty much tracks right?)

Text section reduced / changed. A solo most votes top 20 list, a solo most recent top 20 list. Thats it.

7. Rankings Reset

Again im a little torn about this, but i think as of Dec 31st 2021 the ranking should be frozen (and moved somewhere for prosperity, HoF perhaps?) but ultimately reset as of Jan 1st 2022 to encourage the active members to get involved.

8. Ratings Removed on Battles & Tracks

Everyone rates every track a 10, every cypher a ten etc etc, lets get rid of them. I think an upvote / downvote system would be just as effective.

And with battles, i think you should vote for a winner only. Rating i think are redundant when an expo is already required.

9. No Title / Name Reinstation Upon Account Deletion

Simply - If you request your account is deleted, you lose the username and titles permanently. Deleting accounts is a massive issue for the site, i think we need to curb the occurrence of it as much as possible.

Perhaps signing a disclaimer upon account registration would help.

Have a think and drop your feedback on these points. There is still time to save LB, but perhaps some bold actions are needed.

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Wtf does any of that have to do with improving the site???
Takin about titles and cyphers. And making audio battles all written...smh

---------- Post added at 11:13 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:04 AM ----------

HOW ABOUT CHANGE THE LOOK OF THIS BITCH...SHITS BEEN THE SAME FOR OVER A DECADE AND A HALF.

AND WHOEVER DECIDED TO HAVE VOTING POWER SHIT AND LET THE MODS HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE PEOPLES VOTING POWER, COMPLETELY KILLED THE BATTLES..A BATTLE THAT CAN GO EITHER WAY DOESN'T HAVE A TRUE OUTCOME DEPENDING ON WHO VOTES. THERE AINT THAT MANY ACTIVE USERS AND I CAN BET A LOT OF EM DONT EVEN HAVE ANY VOTING POWER.. ALL IT TAKES IS AN ARGUMENT WITH A MOD AND THEY GO AND CHANGE YOUR SHIT...IM ONE OF EM. I HAVE 0 VOTING POWER.

AGAIN...MODS KILLED THIS SITE.

I said move the irrelevant posts to a new thread, I didn't say delete it bitch. Are you capable of not exaggerating or lying about shit? I said v4 was coming a "million" times? An actual million....and you counted?
Yes, I had told people V4 was coming, but I didn't say it for 10 years, nor a "million" times. You're also right that I said I was privy to work that was being done behind the scenes, and it was work that the whole site would soon be privy to when X eventually posted this: https://www.letsbeef.com/forums/showthread.php?t=167234
Was I wrong when I said V4 was "coming soon?" Yes! It's still not here (or may never be). Did I intentionally mislead folks into thinking V4 was coming? Absolutely not, because I had every indication to believe it was. It's called inductive reasoning.
You, on the other hand, act like you're allergic to any sort of positive outlook and you feel the need to attack anyone who says anything remotely close to "we can do something."
We all know what's mostly needed are coding changes which only X can do or give someone access to do. RULE is just trying to help by suggesting changing titles and tournaments. It's something he can do in his capacity that helps a little. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Punk had some good ideas too of things we can do without X. Again, nothing wrong with that. You act like unless the design from 2005 is changed immediately, nothing anyone does to try to improve the user experience for what it is has any point.

DOPE to see you putting an effort towards change, so here we go...

1. Usertitles Deleted

Agree with stripping user-set titles (including mine) but it doesn't seem fair to people who won recently. Only compromise I can think of is to show the titles you've won on your profile (with links to the battle/thread you won it in) and hide them on battles & forums. Only the latest GC & Secondary Champs should be visible, everyone else will have there's displayed on their profile & stats section. Of course show HoF & Staff.

2. Reduced Tournament Schedule

2 seems too little, seems like people would only login during those 2 tournament months. What about 4? so 1 every quarter, 1 GC & 3 secondary tournaments? Concept, Scheme & Rookie or Tag-Team (phase out One Bar).

3. Forum Cleanse

Agree 100%, LB's needed this for years now.

4. Close the Unranked & Exclusive Battle Sections

Again, 100% agree. I know coding is an issue but if there's a way to simply delete the Section (so new battles can't happen) but keep people's Exclusive battles & records, I think that would be the best solution.

5. Audio Battles - Written Only

Don't know how I feel about this one, audio freestyles are pretty much the backbone of the audio section so taking it out would pretty much guarantee only Text-To-Audio converts would prosper and leave behind a lot of audio-only users. I'd say just leave it alone for now.

6. Cypher Sections Reduced

Agree with simplifying both sections but cutting out Audio cyphers would suck for up-in-coming audio artists would are looking for feedback on a track they haven't decided is good enough for a track yet. IDK, while activity is low, it doesn't seem like a priority at this point.

7. Rankings Reset

Don't agree with resetting them but hiding them on forums would make it cleaner plus incentivize people to check out people's profiles / encourage activity.

8. Ratings Removed on Battles & Tracks

Agree, it pains me to think of the countless FVC votes breaking down exactly why a verse is a 6 instead of a 7 BUT it would be a lot easier. Keep the requirement to write a comment though and not just "FV VB Good shit y'all" comment.

9. No Title / Name Reinstation Upon Account Deletion

Agree 100%, it's not fair to the thousands of battlers who's opponent deleted their account and now they can't read their old battles. I'd still keep them in the HoF & Stats section though.

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Originally Posted by NOBLE (Post 1215806)

Yes, I had told people V4 was coming, but I didn't say it for 10 years, nor a "million" times. You're also right that I said I was privy to work that was being done behind the scenes, and it was work that the whole site would soon be privy to when X eventually posted this: https://www.letsbeef.com/forums/showthread.php?t=167234

And it STILL didn't happen, so you were wrong that V4 was coming.

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Originally Posted by NOBLE (Post 1215806)

Was I wrong when I said V4 was "coming soon?" Yes! It's still not here (or may never be). Did I intentionally mislead folks into thinking V4 was coming? Absolutely not, because I had every indication to believe it was. It's called inductive reasoning.

But many of us knew it wasn't coming. And time after time you said it was, and you knew super secret behind the scenes shit. Now here we are, probably 13 years after X announced V4 the first time, probably 9 years after Pugz announced it the second time, probably 5 years from when X announced it the third time. And after ALL of that, you still have the dumbassery to say "Or MAY never be". MAY? Bitch it's been June for 13 years get that May shit outta here.

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Originally Posted by NOBLE (Post 1215806)

You, on the other hand, act like you're allergic to any sort of positive outlook and you feel the need to attack anyone who says anything remotely close to "we can do something."

Because we've done something. I've done something. I've never been wrong in a single thing I've said about the site and it's trajectory. Hell half of RULE's suggestion in post one, like tournaments and usertitles, are shit I argued with you about like 7 years ago. But we're WAAAAAAY past that being any sort of importance. It's just so stupid that you think "do something" are these small things. You guys are throwing paper in the bin thinking you're saving the world while X sits there and and pumps a China amount of smoke up all your asses.

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Originally Posted by NOBLE (Post 1215806)

We all know what's mostly needed are coding changes which only X can do or give someone access to do. RULE is just trying to help by suggesting changing titles and tournaments. It's something he can do in his capacity that helps a little. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Punk had some good ideas too of things we can do without X. Again, nothing wrong with that. You act like unless the design from 2005 is changed immediately, nothing anyone does to try to improve the user experience for what it is has any point.

But X isn't going to do them. We KNOW that. Like what's the point in suggesting shit we KNOW isn't going to be done? Why not wish for a site overhaul, 10mil in advertising and Conceited to come and run the site if we're wishing for shit we know isn't going to happen?

Punk had some good ideas for things we can do without X? Bitch Punk quit the site cause it's dead as fuck. If Punk thought those ideas would have kept them here, he'd have done them when he was the best mod on the site in 2020 and half kept this shit bumping by himself. He knows this shit has a 2005 design. Improving the user experience is improving the user experience for the 10 active members of the site. LB needs NEW members, not to make tournaments a little bit more fun for Mister Jon Flako and whatever Lockhart's new multi acc is.

My ideas were just things I'd like to see happen. I dont see myself battling again because I don't feel the site will be the way it was ever again.. I'm fully aware that the site won't pick back up but I can say last year was pretty fun with the small amount of members we had but thats because of discord happening.

We're getting the registrations, the new members, etc. Thats not an issue and hasn't been for the past idk how many years. The issue is keeping people. We don't have an App, as eth said we have the same design since I guess the site has started, the updates page thats stickied hasn't been touched in 4 years.

I like everyone on the site so don't take this the wrong way at all. But legit no one thats been using this site for all these years is motivated to get shit rolling.

As much as you guys bash my friend over here saying he's negative, only brings bad news, shits on others for trying to "help the site", is he wrong? He's just not gullible enough to believe a conversation that we've been having since V4's first announcement. What I DO notice EVERYTIME that everyone fails to mention is that He supports every sign of an actual update if there's some sort of proof given, not just words typed. For example, look in the thread NOBLE posted. People always claimed it was Eth & I making the site worse yet we've always been present with honest feedback with zero trolling involved if you showed us the proof.

I enjoy being a mod and helping out when someone needs me. At least for those who still enjoy battling and doing things I used to enjoy doing. I dont mind being here for them.

Even when I was all about making site changes, I knew in the back of my mind that if im only a mod and im the hardest worker on here, the site will only go as far as IM able to take it.