Originally Posted by Shiny Face (Post 848364)

Noble your missing the point of all these arguments... i don't care about your subjective view of God or Morality

im giving specific criteria (Christian God for 1st argument. North American standard of good/evil for 2nd argument) then arguing the logistics of it

get outta here with that 'everything is subjective' shit

Originally Posted by Shiny Face (Post 847791)

as an ALL powerful being. infinite in every sense of the word.. wouldn't he then be able to create a being greater than himself?

Originally Posted by NOBLE (Post 848383)

Nah son. The question you asked to begin with was illogical.



Any logical question includes an idea that invites an answer, even if that idea is not very clear or well defined. Nothing is "greater" than infinity by definition, so to ask "wouldn't an infinite being be able to create a being "greater" than himself" doesn't make sense...unless you're talking "greater" in a subjective sense.

Originally Posted by Shiny Face (Post 848268)

theologians would argue that part of God's design for us was free will

our reason + free will has the potential to be perfect, if used correctly. theoretically.
If god were to GIVE us the answer intrinsically, then his creation of free will would have no purpose, making an imperfect creation, making god imperfect.

so basically God DID make us perfect, he just gave us the ability to achieve that perfectness.

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but then i would argue.. why didn't he just make our reason flawless. so that we were still making decisions, we were just always making the 'right' ones according to God.


to be honest these philosophers were just trying to not get hung up or exiled so they put God in their shit...

take for example descartes. the dude said, 'what if the world i perceive is created by an evil demon to deceive me'
that would mean one of three things
1. the demon is more powerful than god
2. god does not exist
3. god is complacent in evil

so Gods evil...

basically the dude wanted to say "what if God is tricking us?" but he couldn't say that so he figured out a way around it that pretty much says the same shit but doesn't hurt anyones feelings

im pretty sure these guys were just arguing for ideas like infinity and replacing it with 'god'

Originally Posted by Shiny Face (Post 847806)

true... ok im dropping this one, it just gets circular.. but i have another theory iv come to in my meditations....

at the end of the day, for good or evil, humans follow the main path laid out for them.

lemme explain this

lets say, some kids dad is a missionary, his whole family works as missionaries. in order for him to not be exiled from his loved ones, he pretty much must work as a missionary or some other righteous act. To live an evil life would mean exile. plus he sees how its done and it is made simple for him. so he follows the trail blazed for him.

like wise, some kids dad is a CEO of an aggressive oil drilling company. the company has been passed down through his family and to not take his fathers seat would isolate him from the family. so he takes the path laid out for him, most likely. again he sees the ropes of this company, any other occupation seems foreign to him, this was what he was raised knowing how to do.

at the end of the day these two people did the same thing, just different outcomes.
if either of them wanted to be evil instead of good or vise versa, they would have to isolate themselves from the ones they love and pretty much redefine who they are, a very difficult task that most people wouldn't undertake unless inspired by another trail blazer who can shed light on different paths and lifes they can lead.

and the more people take one path, the easier it looks... in a literal sense think of a lot of people taking one path through the woods rather than the other. you're going to look at those woods and take the path with all the brush pushed aside rather than the rugged one. fuck if enough people walk on it one day it might be a road, for more people to walk. maybe later a highway... once a path has set that kind of president its almost impossible to vere away confidently


u follow?

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its a new theory.. still hammering it out

Originally Posted by 2FUEL (Post 848758)

@NOBLE If God gives you a watch, are you honoring Him more by asking Him what time it is or by simply consulting the watch?