im gunna go self destruct on meds so just c will like my music

the implication of that statement is awesome me an remark trendsetters tbh

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another funny statement..... Jeru Da Damaja is garbage to me... never liked his shit... what about the old underground heads cause besides Ace those 2 are mainstream same with AZ he underground now cause his career was a dud...

Dudes like Killah Priest and Last Emperor Krumb Snatcha (i know khryme know who that is)

In the end I fuck with AZ but he not in my top 10.... this got me wanting to make an underground thread.

Huey

Lol @ having a pen game is corny. Wow. If you say Hollo displayed no soul in that track you must be on more drugs than he was.

P.S.

Now we've established that. When's your next LP out and where can I purchase it?

The humor of using it in the same sentence you claim to be a talented writer.

It's kind of like saying I'm a skilled speaker while I stutter over the phrase.

tbh i cant watch video so i just had to go on memory of hollo spitting. iv seen all his battles and heard the majority of his tracks. so unless the video you posted is like some major sway from his original style then i probably wont be feelin it

and yea i guess what i said about pen game can get taken outta context pretty easy, i meant saying pen game means ur dope is corny. if that were true, pulse would be a good rapper. to me its a full package, pen game is just part of it. thats like me wearing a nice tie and shoes but bummy ass shirt and pants, shit doesnt work

next LP is undetermined, but iv got a grip of songs finished for it already, pretty excited about it

fuck it yo imma sack up and watch that video.. deal with the bill at the end of the month

Last Friday Night! (T.G.I.F.!) *random*

Yeah it is the whole package n I see what you mean. @Gurp

But yeah watch the video. I'm not gonna say anything. Let you come to your own conclusion.

yea yo that shit was crazy heavy. iv got alot of respect for someone who can turn around and write themself into the dirt like that, took responsibility for his actions like a man. the shit is poetry to me though, not a song. so to compare him to az is still pretty silly imo but definitely an amazing performance by hollohan

Yeah I figured you'd feel that way after you said what a general scum bag he is. Lol

But yeah. The point of this thread wasn't to say Hollohan was better than AZ. Though the OP (Purposly) say's that. It was to prove that AZ's writing isn't as complex as Pulse makes it out to be. Pulse tried to make out that just because I don't see eye to eye with him on AZ standing as a lyricist that I must lack his ear for "fine writing" and that I "obviously" don't understand AZ's "complex" "Godly" scriptures because I lack the comprehension skills required to form an educated opinion on what I feel is good writing.

So I posted that track.

Fuck AZ.

Overrated as hell.

Punk is the little elf in Santa's Grotto that makes sexy GIFs and canihascheezburger photos

AZ not overrated yo...

but i think that alot of yall mis rate cats. while its special and heartwarming to make records that only you and 17-20 hardcore die-hard fans like....what really makes hip hop music dope are the records that transcend many different tastes. this doesnt necessarily equate to record sales, but record sales should be factored in. in the case of AZ...he dropped a heavily spun record called 'Sugar Hill' in like '93 or '94 to my best recollection...had the sole guest feature on Illmatic...and then faded to black.....whether this is attributed to 'not selling out' or 'staying true to his music' is up for debate....but at the end of the day..it's probably mostly due to not being able to cut it.

say what you want about Jay-Z, Cam, or Rick Ross....but the fact of the matter is that they stay true to themself as artists, and still managed to put out music that was promoted and vended properly.

there is a DISTINCT difference between cats like, Pharoahe Monch....who is consistently above the fray and writes shit out of this world...so despite only minor success in the mainstream, he is well respected by his peers...and cats like damn near every song posted in this thread. if given the opportunity, they couldnt write a relatable song if their life depended on it...


bottom line...too many GREAT emcees have stradled the line between art and commercialism for me to respect alot of these clowns that make songs that only pULSe would listen to.

not by the comments in this post.

Just C, AZ is a complex writer and just because you cant point out those elements of rap that I was talking about or you dont appreciate it, doesnt mean he's not one of the greatest of all time.

Step your songwriting skills up, take it from the dude that was looking into music school that there's classes for that

Then come talk to me when you grasp these things.

The endless trolling continues.

pulse lying yo u know u was teaching kids how to write yo... your on another lvl

Yeah pulse can't give up the troll. It's like he's addicted or something.

Lol @ trolling

You probably didnt know what an internal was before I brought it to your attention

Just like how you didnt fuck with AZ until phil banks & remarK showed their approval

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Too many have stradled the line between art and commercialism...word..So you think AZ isn't shit because you didnt hear from him after Sugar Hill and he never had success like Jay-Z & Rick Ross?

He made the choice to do what he does best, and he doesn't dumb down his lyrics. He prides himself on being able to make the music he wants, the way he wants it, and not have it compromised because of what some label wants him to do. That's why he's been takin so long to drop Doe Or Die 2...He's gotta get shit done his way & he's strongly passionate about what he does.. He's tryna get some ill ass production on it and he's got a few dope producers already and possibly a Nas feature and Nas possibly has an AZ feature on his next album "Life Is Good"...

Real niggas recognize real niggas. Passionate Hip-Hop heads that scrutinize every bar of a song like myself appreciate rappers that drop meaningful, dope ass bars with smooth flow and clever wording...

But I don't fuck with AZ. Where did you get the idea that I changed my mind?

that was directed to Krhyme

actually lol Just C is actually rite... and we're all gods in god's eyez...:high::cool:

The second part is. The first is open to interpretation. Especially considering you referenced the accusation of trolling. Be more specific next time because it looks like you're either referring to myself or Ticket.

Niggas is sum wild haters B

Yeah, you've been hating on me for far too long tbh. Stop the hate, b.

I never hated on you bruhva, you just talk mad shit to the big dogs..

Each one teach one

AZ can suck a dick, seriously.

He can go fuck a pig.

Who is he?

You shouldnt disrespect like that ViTRiOL..instead, do yourself the favor of finding out who he is

Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Anyone that recommends a rapper, well, 99% of the time they're less than half as amazing as they make them out to be, plus blandness.

I bet he sounds like Nas. Cryptic eloquence + the occasional insightful line?

I bet you I care less what you think my G

To put it in terms youll get P... AZ is like a punter yo...he excels at one aspect of the game very well. He does shit that maybe cats cant do. He's apart of the squad....but he lacks versatility. He a special teams nigga. He LITERALLY cant make a radio friendly song so that takes alot from his craft.

I mean shit yo...he has little charisma and not even superior rhyme skillz. I know a dozen niggas that speak that god body shit 24/7 yo. Lol. It dont make them rappers.

Hes too one dimensional yo.

One dimensional? He's taken many angles...from that Let me show-off shit, to story telling, to songs with music videos that have catchy tunes and a mainstream sound like "Undeniable" which was not only the song name, but the album name itself

I know what you mean by that punter analogy. Maybe he never had a Top 100 song on the billboard, maybe he never topped Forbes list with Diddy, Jay-Z, & 50

You don't have to be a rap mogul or an incredibly successful artist to go down as one of the greatest in your genre.

Michael Jordan is considered the best player ever by a lot of people...what i'm tryna say is, around the time Jordan was playin...you don't think there were any niggas out there playin street ball that were as nice as Jordan (or better) but never got their shot?

whether they were serious about going pro and never had the resources or were just amazingly talented at it but only took it as a hobby

There's always that one person that everybody leaves out of the convo, and I just feel like its AZ. That's all it is really

& I agree he probably couldnt make a radio friendly song, other than Undeniable which I thought was a solid attempt at going mainstream...but thats what makes him good.

That, for the most part, he's 9 albums in and its hard for anybody to find one bad verse from the guy. "Longevity"...thats his motto/slogan it seems. He prides himself on that and he only gets better with time

How could you not take that into account. So what if nobody's looking for AZ. You would think that'd make him care less and he'd slack off and put out really shitty music

But every song he drops is a gem as far as him displaying lyrical prowess or dropping knowledge

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This song came out in March, so this is VERY recent AZ... listen to the song, the message, pay attention to the lyrics

all while reminding yourself that its 2012 and someone's still keepin it real with tunes like this

I'm the furthest from a hater you will ever come in contact with... really.

Yeah...but at the end of the day...the street baller stayed in the park and MJ reached new heights...AZ aint unknown. Hes just not that all around nice yo.

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Plus its only one mj and a thousand park legends

And theres always some sideline ass block know it all, that be telling everyone he sees, that the street baller would beat MJ 100-0..

I'm not the dude sayin he'd beat MJ 100-0, I'm more like the dude that goes around telling people "Ya'll should check this guy out, he's pretty good. He might be able to hang with MJ"

That's all I'm really saying. Most of ya'll didnt know or care for AZ before I brought him to your attention. The fact that I planted the seed in your minds and made some of ya'll play back his tracks is a good thing

I'm tryna expand horizons. Too many of ya'll stuck on that Wale and Meek Mill shit

Generalizing the LB masses is usually a bad thing, like racism

tbh i can't say az never nut hugged to get a grammy... all i know is he never got one. still coulda nut hugged

love this one