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Off the topic of privilege, I just read back to back articles on an Irish feminism website. The first article was about women deserving more equality in the pay gap to men. Literally the article above it was discussing how women feel horrible during their period, and how it would be great if they were given time to handle it out of work.

I couldn't handle what birds go through. Seems terrible. Seems like having to handle going to work with a hangover for a few days every single month. But you know what doesn't earn you a rise? Going to work with a hangover for a few days every single month.

*Sits and waits for the punchlines*

THE COLD WITHIN

SIX HUMANS TRAPPED BY HAPPENSTANCE
IN BLACK AND BITTER COLD,
EACH ONE POSSESSED A STICK OF WOOD,
OR SO THE STORY’S TOLD.

THEIR DYING FIRE IN NEED OF LOGS,
THE FIRST WOMAN HELD HERS BACK,
FOR ON THE FACES AROUND THE FIRE,
SHE NOTICED ONE WAS BLACK.

THE NEXT MAN LOOKING ACROSS THE WAY
SAW ONE NOT OF HIS CHURCH,
AND COULD’T BRING HIMSELF TO GIVE
THE FIRE HIS STICK OF BIRCH.

THE THIRD ONE SAT IN TATTERED CLOTHES.
HE GAVE HIS COAT A HITCH.
WHY SHOULD HIS LOG BE PUT TO USE
TO WARM THE IDLE RICH?

THE RICH MAN JUST SAT BACK AND THOUGHT
OF THE WEALTH HE HAD IN STORE,
AND HOW TO KEEP WHAT HE HAD EARNED
FROM THE LAZY SHIFTLESS POOR.

THE BLACK MAN’S FACE BESPOKE REVENGE
AS THE FIRE PASSED FROM HIS SIGHT.
FOR ALL HE SAW IN HIS STICK OF WOOD
WAS A CHANCE TO SPITE THE WHITE.

AND THE LAST MAN OF THIS FORLORN GROUP
DID NOT EXCEPT FOR GAIN.
GIVING ONLY TO THOSE WHO GAVE,
WAS HOW HE PLAYED THE GAME.

THE LOGS HELD TIGHT IN DEATH’S STILL HANDS
WAS PROOF OF HUMAN SIN.
THEY DIDN’T DIE FROM THE COLD WITHOUT,
THEY DIED FROM THE COLD WITHIN.

- James Patrick Kinney

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Originally Posted by iCaL (Post 1114633)

Black man to white man: "You have white privilege"
Skinny woman to black man: "You have male privilege"
Fat woman to skinny woman: "You have skinny privilege"
Trans woman to fat woman: "You have cis privilege"
Gay white man to trans woman: "You have straight privilege"
Black man to gay white man: "You have white privilege"

You've seen some black people deal with things some white people haven't. Cool. Have you seen some things white people have dealt with that black people havent? Privilege isn't a racial thing. It doesn't exist in bulk. It exists in individual cases. You going to tell me that some black kid growing up in Bel Air to rich parents is at a disadvantage to some white kid who's parents raped them and threw them out on the streets...cause of their race?

Everybody deals with different shit. We've heard all the white privilege shit yeah? Well how about we flip it...

Black privilege is being able to be proud of your race without being branded as a racist.

Black privilege is being able to take advantage of affirmative action to gain easier spots in colleges or jobs.

Black privilege is to be able to claim that no matter what you do, it is impossible that it is a racist act.

Black privilege is being able to condemn white people for the actions of their ancestors 70 years ago.

Black privilege is praised for experimenting with new genres of music, but claiming white people are "taking your culture" if they enter hip hop.

Black privilege is never having people assume you got handed everything in life due to your race if you are successful.

Black privilege is having outrage from all races when a crime is committed upon a person of your skin colour.

Black privilege is glorifying people like Malcom X or Muhammad Ali who were known racists.

Black privilege is having an award ceremony and television station to represent your racial culture.

Black privilege is having "white privilege" being a taught subject in universities.

Now, do I care about any of this? Absolutely not. This is just a consequence of evolution. Things developed this way. But tell me, can you refute any of that as true...and even more so...how fucking annoyed were you reading it? You feel like I'm saying "You black folks have it all" don't you? Fucking annoying to feel like someone would quickly refute any success or progression you ever have as nothing more than to do with your race eh? Well...welcome to the world of being told you're privileged.

Really, different people in different places face different shit. People just mistake everything for the class structure. Who gets pulled over first, black man in a tuxedo walking down Hollywood, or white kid in Fubu walking down the NY projects? No doubt, because of past racism there is a gulf in earnings between white and black people overall. The "ghettos" are still majorly filled with black people. I'm split on this. On one side, it's rough because you're being born into a horrible situation as a result of racism which was committed decades ago. On the other side...it's on you. You're an individual. You don't have to go out, sell drugs and get involved in gangs just because you were raised in a rough area. It's hard to be able to unlock that intelligence when your schools are terrible and your family are on drugs, but at the end of the day by the time you're a grown man...it's up to you to get yourself out of that situation. PLENTY of black people took their bad situation, worked hard and have went on to have success in every field. Doctors, teachers, lawyers, musicians, artists, architects, athletes etc. You can't use your race as a defence when the black man next to you didn't let it hold him back you know? (Not speaking to you personally, just a figurative black man born in a low income area).

It's the same everywhere. You get born poor, you face more challenges. In some areas in America, the poor areas are majorly filled with "minorities". This is true. But that doesn't mean right now anyone's holding those people down and oppressing them. As it is for white people and people of all colours, if you want to make shit happen that's on you.

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Horrible logic. Essentially, you have just completely okayed police officers to slay innocent black people because the police officers were made a marginalised, targeted sub sect of the populous who should now be able to act out against those who target them.

Those cops were people with a job. You wanted to be a pro wrestler right? Well a lot of pro wrestlers have been involved in rape in the past. This makes you a rapist now.

Sure, there's some horrible fucker cops out there. Plenty of racist ones to boot. So does this make it okay to murder random ones at will because they chose a specific occupation?

1.) Rationalization is not justification. The reason for the occurrence is not an endorsement of those actions, nor is being unsurprised by its happening.

2.) Nope. I wanted to be a booker.

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Originally Posted by Rant (Post 1114670)

1.) Rationalization is not justification. The reason for the occurrence is not an endorsement of those actions, nor is being unsurprised by its happening.

2.) Nope. I wanted to be a booker.

1. You are numbering replies to a large unnumbered post.

2. It's impossible to know what the fuck you're on about.

You know what White Privliege is? Never having to ask if White Lives Matter.

Why would the privileged black kid be from Bel Air? You sound like a stereotype white joke....no offense. Dude, thats just the way things are here. Civil rights were only awarded 50 years ago...the Klan was millions strong, walking the streets with govt officials and cops among them, openly endorsing violence against blacks. Slavery. It takes a long time to undo all that....you can't teach generations to unlearn all of the hatred and prejudice, the injustice and the oppression, unless the people doing the teaching and parenting are all completely unbiased in their approach. People getting completely out of their feelings about such subjects is impossible...so it will never fully be gone. America has a unique history in that regard.

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Originally Posted by Esso (Post 1114673)

It's asked constantly of the Black Lives Matter movement if White Lives Matter. They reply "It's not about that". No one cares when a white kid, unarmed, gets shot by the police. Police officer can be black, white, asian, whatever. No one cares that a white kid got shot. That's hardly controversial newsworthy shit is it?

When a black kid dies, there's a protest. When a white kid dies (which happens at a higher rate)...not one person takes to the streets.

So...DO white lives matter?

Why wouldn't a privileged black kid be from Bel Air? I was giving an example of someone from an area considered "rich" Vs someone from an area considered "poor". The "rich" kid doesn't face the struggles and stereotyping that the "poor" kid does...regardless if the black kid is rich and the white kid is poor.

Endosred by government officials, walking the streets with cops, openly endosring violence against another race.....Eh...Esso mate...have a quick search for "Black Lives Matter" and "Dallas" and tell me what you come up with. I'm pretty sure what you'll come up with is the President of America endorsed group of individuals who take over the streets under police supervision and according to Twitter, consider the racially motivated murder of 5 innocent men to be the act of a hero and martyr. Obama went to the memorial service of the police officers and discussed racism in the police force...what's that got to do with 5 dead men who have no known connections to racism what so ever?

Slavery, smfh. Yeah cause black people are the only slaves that ever existed. It takes a long time to undo? Well I, nor anyone in my family no matter how far back, ever owned slaves (Considering my family tree comes from Ireland). Yet I'm somehow dragged into being part of a "race" (ie. some people with the same skin colour from an entirely different background and culture) that was involved in the oppression of others. You are not effected by slavery right now, I'm not effected by slavery right now. It's been a long fucking time mate and if you think your limited in your opportunities in life because your great great grandfather was mistreated...you need to look in the mirror a bit pal.

"That history will never be gone". So, what you're saying is....I'm allowed to claim that there's "English privilege" and seek reparations for the atrocities the English committed upon my ancestors? Basically, as far back as my family tree goes, there's gonna be plenty of cases of horrible acts committed by Englishmen onto either Scotsmen or Irishmen. You say it's impossible for someone's feelings towards this to be gone...but 55% of Scotland recently disagreed.

America doesn't have a unique history. Slavery happened everywhere. There are plenty of examples of black slave masters throughout history too. But you can't talk about that. No slavery amounts to the days of the KKK and cotton picking, right?

Slavery was a long time ago. Why is it a black man is allowed to feel this contempt and hatred towards that former oppression, but we'd all laugh if a woman said she felt contempt and hatred towards men as a result of the lack of woman's rights 50 years ago? It's just not relevant anymore but economically and socially...we've come a long ass way from those days to even have them be a factor in 2016.

Right....and its the first time anyone's ever asked if White Lives Matter. Its not out of concern or doubt that the country as a whole cares about White Lives, its out of insecurity because theyre not included when people ask if Black Lives Matter.

The fact you make comparisons to the Fresh Prince's situation shows how familiar you are with how things go here.....you see it in sitcoms and in rap videos and on the news. You're saying 'we've come a long way'. Is you is or is you not from Scotland? Fuck is this we shit if you dont even live here? Women have had equal rights for twice as long as black people in America and nobody was lynching women just for being female. And yes, other races and groups have been slaves.....but this is an American issue and over here, black people were the only ethnic group enslaved widespread. You're comparing apples to orange soda....You are not in touch with the reality of the situation you comment on.

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Originally Posted by Esso (Post 1114677)

It doesn't matter if black people feel like their lives matter more or not. Just like it doesn't matter if women feel like they earn as much as men. Facts are facts and don't take people's self-victimizing feelings into account.

If the media only reports that a black person has been killed by a white person of authority and never visa versa, then asking if white lives matter is a very legitimate question. Why aren't white people fought for and represented when they are victims of the exact same crimes (in higher numbers)?

I didn't make a comparison of Fresh Prince of Bel Air. I stopped and said "What's a rich place in America?". I just happened to pick Bel Air. Change the name to Beverly Hills or Stanford if you want. Doesn't change my point.

We as in the human race. Your mentality is why segregation exists. You live by a "we". "We black people". "We Americans". People are people. You have probably made a passing comment about Kim Jong Il or something in your time, but feel like someone who isn't American has no right to discuss America. Ironic in the wake of Brexit as well.

I love your "My social justice is better than their social justice". Women have every right to comment on your male privilege if you're going to talk bullshit about white privilege. Check your privilege fam.

Widespread racism is the only form of racism huh? So if you're ancestors weren't slaves in America...you don't know "da pain"? So someone today who lives every day in their life being horrendously victimised as a middle eastern man doesn't know the pain that a black man who may never have seen racism in real life a day in his life...because of "da slaves"?

Slavery is done. It's been done for a very long time. You, nor anyone you've ever met, was a slave or slave owner. It's gone. Abolished. Disappeared. You can't keep clinging to bullshit that happened in the past...and if you ARE going to do that...maybe realize that black people don't have shit of a claim in American historical race related pain in comparison to Native Americans. But Native Americans aren't controversial...so who cares about them right. #BlackLivesMatter #AllLivesMatterIsRacist #SocialJustice #BlackHeroInDallas

The fact "most" white people don't see that they don't need a movement to gain equality is astounding to me. By hijacking the Black Lives Matter movement your whole platform is that their isn't "White Privilege" i.e. you need a change in your life to find balance.