Originally Posted by Student (Post 985228)

Two Words: Mobile Friendly.

Originally Posted by Sun God (Post 985260)

He said non-coding....but yea, a mobile app where people can audio battle and record through their mobile phone would be the biggest revolution this site can make period.

As far as what to do to help the audio side...I think in order to have a proper perspective on that, we'd have to correctly identify exactly why it's in the shape that it's now in.

1) Audio members (from what I've seen) don't vote on battles at the same rate that they drop them. The lack of voting is probably the BIGGEST issue the audio side faces. There are many times when you look on the audio battle hotlist and its not even filled to the point where OSKAR even had to bribe people with emcee items at one time just to get them to vote and fill the hotlist.

Yeah, this is bullshit. People need to vote to circulate the shit, that's one reason why I made a voting thread, and now it's at like 4 pages with only battle links.

2) The modding of the audio side has been less than ideal. I've always felt like text mods put in way more work toward running tournies and generating new activity than audio mods. And since we've done away with specifying text and audio mods, I feel like the audio section is even less looked after. And this ain't a crack at anyone but I can remember when Schematix was practically the only audio mod doing anything...then he'd go inactive and OSKAR would do some stuff. It just always seem like we could never get the majority of audio mods FULLY active all at the same time. Moreover, when considering new mods for the audio side, the pool has always been way more limited and less appealing whereas with text, quite a number of worthy candidates always spring to mind...and this brings me to my next point...

Huh. I didn't even know there WERE audio mods, there should definitely be more of them. I'd volunteer in a heartbeat for that shit.

3) Audio members on the site in general are way less active in the forums. Most audio members don't really check out the forums like text members. They just log on to battle and that's it. the problem with that is it's in the forums where a lot of activity are generated. Honestly, if anyone thinks...how many non-mod initiated forum tournies have we had on the audio side? On the text side, I can think of Dysfunctional's ULC tournies, Row's Jokes over Bars, the compliment tourney that IV or whoever ran at one point...the list goes on. These type of things generate activity and excitement, but how often do you see a regular audio member post an idea like that in the audio lounge and get people to sign up? If they did, the audio side would be in better shape.

To be perfectly honest I wasn't aware I could just post an idea like this in the audio lounge, and now that I know I can I'll definitely be doing so. And that is a definite problem, only a few people from the Audio side even come to the forums and when they do it's to hit up FVC/Vote threads for some fair votes or to sign up for tourneys.

I'll now write what I think could be a solution to these 3 problems...

1) I think it will take something radical to help the voting trend on the audio side. The audio FVC won't work. I've ran the audio FVC and if you throw a sign up, you might only get 2 worthy candidates sign up whereas the text side might see 10, and the two people who sign up will barely even get any requests from somebody other than Bnas....why? BECAUSE AUDIO MEMBERS DON'T CHECK THE FORUMS! You'll need something like a "Vote Train." This would be similar to the "Guild of Votes" idea that @Dissizit had a while ago. Basically, people step into queue and say they need votes. they are then given 5 links to vote on (these links are the battles of other people who had previously stepped into queue) and they will also receive 5 votes from people who step into queue after them on the link that they posted as needing votes. This is different from the FVC because it is GUARANTEED votes and its also coming from other regular members as opposed to a specially designated group. It will increase the voting on the audio side...trust me. But my next point is...

I'd be completely down to go into the audio FVC and that vote train system, that seems like a great idea. If you'd like I can make a thread and actually start that.

2) You'll need somebody to mod such a system as the "Vote train." The staff should be encouraged to become more active on the audio side...this includes listening to and voting on whack ass shitty audio battles every once in a while (I know, its torture). It also includes doing what I said i don't see regular audio members doing too often...starting unique forum tournaments and activities for the audio guys that are different from the regular audio tourney schedule. If none of them want to run such a system as the "Vote Train", then we should find someone who is very active and willing to because it'll take a lot of work. You might even need two mods tbh. Running it might involve making a secret forum that only staff can see to use as a bulletin board because if the links they get are only from battles of other people in queue, you wouldn't want to create a situation where people are trading votes so they shouldn't know who else is in queue. Only the mod running it should know who's involved and in what order.

Like I said above, now that I know you can actually just start events like that I'll be at least attempting to do so.

3) Whenever forum tournies and activities are set up for audio members, they should be announced via notices or server announcements from the chat bar. If it's always in the forums, a lot of them won't see it. As more activities like this are set up, the staff should also be encouraged to engage audio members so that they check out the forums and find out what's going on. I'm pretty sure if we do this diligently, more of them will start checking out the forums which will lead to greater activity on the audio side.

Nothing to say here really, I agree wholeheartedly.

Eventually, that "Vote train" might be automated through some coding where people just submit a link as if they're applying for an award and they receive an automatic PM with 5 links to vote on. But for now, we can get someone to moderate it and when people start getting involved, I'm sure it will take off and increase voting on audio battles.
Kudos to you @RULE for even asking the question and fielding opinions from the public. Good luck on bringing the audio side to life. 2 cents.

Originally Posted by Sun God (Post 985260)

He said non-coding....but yea, a mobile app where people can audio battle and record through their mobile phone would be the biggest revolution this site can make period.

As far as what to do to help the audio side...I think in order to have a proper perspective on that, we'd have to correctly identify exactly why it's in the shape that it's now in.

1) Audio members (from what I've seen) don't vote on battles at the same rate that they drop them. The lack of voting is probably the BIGGEST issue the audio side faces. There are many times when you look on the audio battle hotlist and its not even filled to the point where OSKAR even had to bribe people with emcee items at one time just to get them to vote and fill the hotlist.

Reset Credits For Anyone On The Top 10 Or The Whole Site At The Start Of Each Month. The Top 10 Would Vote More In Order To Stay There And It Would Encourage More Voting. There Is Going To Be An Influx Of Shit Voting Though But Hopefully We See Some Good Voting As Well.

2) The modding of the audio side has been less than ideal. I've always felt like text mods put in way more work toward running tournies and generating new activity than audio mods. And since we've done away with specifying text and audio mods, I feel like the audio section is even less looked after. And this ain't a crack at anyone but I can remember when Schematix was practically the only audio mod doing anything...then he'd go inactive and OSKAR would do some stuff. It just always seem like we could never get the majority of audio mods FULLY active all at the same time. Moreover, when considering new mods for the audio side, the pool has always been way more limited and less appealing whereas with text, quite a number of worthy candidates always spring to mind...and this brings me to my next point...

I Agree With You On The Generating Tournaments, Topicals, Crew Battles etc. But As Far As Moderators Go. I'm Not Sure If The Staff Needs To Stress This But There Are No "Audio" Or "Text" Moderators, A Hate Vote Is A Hate Vote In Any Form, Period. Cheating Is Cheating, Period. It Doesn't Matter If The Moderator Battles More In Text Or Audio Or Even Doesn't Battle At All. They All Have The Same Powers And Same Amount Of Knowledge As Far As Modding Goes. I Would Just Suggest That The Admin Circle Delegates 2-3 Mods To Generate Activity In The Audio / Video Side. If That Means Splitting The FVC Into Two Moderators Then It Has To Be Done. If They Don't Want To Do It Then They Really Shouldn't Be Staff Anyways. It's Not All Banning And Forum Shit Talking, Generating Activity Is A Part Of Helping Out.

3) Audio members on the site in general are way less active in the forums. Most audio members don't really check out the forums like text members. They just log on to battle and that's it. the problem with that is it's in the forums where a lot of activity are generated. Honestly, if anyone thinks...how many non-mod initiated forum tournies have we had on the audio side? On the text side, I can think of Dysfunctional's ULC tournies, Row's Jokes over Bars, the compliment tourney that IV or whoever ran at one point...the list goes on. These type of things generate activity and excitement, but how often do you see a regular audio member post an idea like that in the audio lounge and get people to sign up? If they did, the audio side would be in better shape.

Yeah, I Never Understood Why There Was A Split In The First Place. For Years It's Like LetsBeef Was Too Different Websites And The Only Time They'd Acknowledge A Text Member If They're Battling On The Audio Side And 99% Of The Time They'll Hate On "Us". I've Seen Comments Like "Go Battle To Texting You Fag" Or "Felt Like That Would've Been Better In Text" Or "One's Flow Was Stuttered, Maybe Cause They Text Battle" etc. You Get The Point. It's Stupid But It Actually Happens. Then We've Got To Get A Bunch Of Text Battlers To Vote On The Battles And They Get More Pissed. (Usually The Person Battling, Along With Their "Cronies") "These Texters Are Voting For Each Other" "Get These Texters Off My Battles" "I'm Voting On This Battle Cause My Dawg Is Getting Hated By These Text Fags" etc. It's Ridiculous Because 99% Of The Time The Text Is A Billion Times Better And The Audio Side (Most Of It) Is Too Ego-Filled To Admit It.

I'll now write what I think could be a solution to these 3 problems...

1) I think it will take something radical to help the voting trend on the audio side. The audio FVC won't work. I've ran the audio FVC and if you throw a sign up, you might only get 2 worthy candidates sign up whereas the text side might see 10, and the two people who sign up will barely even get any requests from somebody other than Bnas....why? BECAUSE AUDIO MEMBERS DON'T CHECK THE FORUMS! You'll need something like a "Vote Train." This would be similar to the "Guild of Votes" idea that @Dissizit had a while ago. Basically, people step into queue and say they need votes. they are then given 5 links to vote on (these links are the battles of other people who had previously stepped into queue) and they will also receive 5 votes from people who step into queue after them on the link that they posted as needing votes. This is different from the FVC because it is GUARANTEED votes and its also coming from other regular members as opposed to a specially designated group. It will increase the voting on the audio side...trust me. But my next point is...

2) You'll need somebody to mod such a system as the "Vote train." The staff should be encouraged to become more active on the audio side...this includes listening to and voting on whack ass shitty audio battles every once in a while (I know, its torture). It also includes doing what I said i don't see regular audio members doing too often...starting unique forum tournaments and activities for the audio guys that are different from the regular audio tourney schedule. If none of them want to run such a system as the "Vote Train", then we should find someone who is very active and willing to because it'll take a lot of work. You might even need two mods tbh. Running it might involve making a secret forum that only staff can see to use as a bulletin board because if the links they get are only from battles of other people in queue, you wouldn't want to create a situation where people are trading votes so they shouldn't know who else is in queue. Only the mod running it should know who's involved and in what order.

3) Whenever forum tournies and activities are set up for audio members, they should be announced via notices or server announcements from the chat bar. If it's always in the forums, a lot of them won't see it. As more activities like this are set up, the staff should also be encouraged to engage audio members so that they check out the forums and find out what's going on. I'm pretty sure if we do this diligently, more of them will start checking out the forums which will lead to greater activity on the audio side.

Eventually, that "Vote train" might be automated through some coding where people just submit a link as if they're applying for an award and they receive an automatic PM with 5 links to vote on. But for now, we can get someone to moderate it and when people start getting involved, I'm sure it will take off and increase voting on audio battles.
Kudos to you @RULE for even asking the question and fielding opinions from the public. Good luck on bringing the audio side to life. 2 cents.

Originally Posted by FAME (Post 985816)

3 round battles!!!