personally i think we should keep audio freestyles but maybe not save them. Someone is paying to keep some of the wackest shit ever online. I'd delete the archives of freestyles maybe keep new shit a year or 6 months.

Other than that agree with all the clutter reducing shit. From tourneys to forums.

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and yeah maybe 2 major tourneys a year a piece for audio an text. Maybe even less cool idea.

Calling me, or you, or Pulse, or whoever else "negative" is like calling those talking about fossil fuels, carbon emissions, climate change etc. "negative". We saw LB being in this state. Even in 2012 when the site was doing good, I still saw the trend. I started ACs to offset that trend. Back then you could pick and choose new members to take in.

Fast forward to 2018 or 19 or whatever and you've got Punk with DedSec who's goal was to bring in anyone on the site who he thinks he can turn into an active invested member.

In 2021? How would you even recruit? There's no one.

It just sucks seeing people want to make changes but just for years and years always look in the wrong places. Yous wanted to push live battling while we wanted to push website improvements. Yous wanted to push more tournaments while we wanted to push prestige. Now I feel like everyone's left and moved to Mars and you guys are the last ones left on Earth FINALLY wanting to make the changes that would have made a dent 6 years ago. Just sucks that it got to this stage and I don't see the small changes we all requested half a decade ago making a difference now.

And for those bitching, a few of us, Phil Banks, Lockhart, Final Word etc. tried really hard to make something happen with Discord last year. Me and Punk started an LB podcast. But every step X stepped on our toes so it was never gonna work.

No, you didn't "know" it wasn't coming, you Believed it wasn't coming.
I honestly think you've said "NOBLE keeps saying V4 is coming" more times than I've actually said "V4 is coming."
It's like we all live in this big house and the mortgage is due, and we've figured out that none of us can pay it. Someone says "well, there's nothing we can do about the mortgage but I'll at least sweep up and wash the dishes to make the place a little neater." You're the type to be like "how is washing the dishes going to help us with our mortgage situation?" Like bitch...do you realize we still live here? Just because we can't pay the mortgage doesn't mean we have to live filthy. It's okay to still clean up and solve whatever little problems you can. It doesn't mean you're not aware of or concerned about the bigger problem. You're asking how cutting titles and tournaments is going to bring new members? No one said it was going to bring new members or save LB. You're not some type of genius because you figured that out. We all fucking know that. What RULE is saying is "let's clean up the forums and tidy up a bit". There's nothing wrong with that, regardless of whether or not we only have 10 members or X hasn't installed V4.
You want to compare yourself to Punk and Pulse as if I'm talking about y'all? I'm not talking about Punk or Pulse. I'm specifically talking about you. Punk didn't come on this thread bashing RULE for coming up with his suggestion. You did, all while trying to take credit for those same ideas at the same time!
You're a piece of work man. Whatever frustrations you have with X or Pugz and what they haven't done for LB, take it up with them. Don't take it out on cats who are unpaid volunteers trying to make things better in whatever small way they can.

this dude asked me how many stacks i have for mods as if they can't sacrifice 100 each one time,.. you smoke that.. what you spend on your mic set up, and interface you can spend on a site that you love,..That You're Running..
Fuck Calling it a "Job", for Free,.. Youtube alone has a Deal where they set aside a budget to do ads.. them skippable joints,.. You can do that..

You can do the video battles,.. On youtube,.. start a podcast where y'all Discuss battle rap, as a whole and Highlight This site in a Segment ,.. You have the followers here,.. Monetize the channel,.. the same effort you put into a trash ass discord, you can do that with everything else..

what's being modded?.. what.. y'all catching cheats?.. lol no you're not,.. writing code?.. fixing bugs?.. oh.. it's a secret.. right

y'all pooling it together,.. if you think that's too much, then you're not trying hard enough to save it,..

But why would they sacrifice it for no money?

£39.99

Why don't you do it?

Preaching to the fucking choir here. For anyone who doesn't know, I offered to control all social media, including making battle videos and hosting me and Punk's podcast, as well as all of LB's social media, for absolutely free. X agreed, but he wanted me to sign a contract, and also demanded that I give him my home address. Bare in mind this was two weeks after Pugz told me he was suing me for something, and one week after Pugz asked for my address so he could sell me some fake jewellery. Yeah, nah buds, you're not having my address.

There's absolutely no secret to being a mod. I'll explain it to you. There's a sort of thread where you get hits on the multi scanner. From my experience (which to be fair is like 7 years old) no one even checks this. You can delete votes and change VP. You can delete threads and shit but never do it. Yep, ran out of things. Thats it. Theres nothing special or secret. Thats it. Nothing sexy. Ironically if you could see some of the olden days threads youd have soooooo much more of a case to hate the mods but unfortunately, the LB Vs EtH threads are long gone.

Other than about the last 3 days on discord, and the Scotland Vs England game, I havent spoke to a mod in about 6-7 months?

Genuinely mate the whole mods angle is my schtick. I loved it. EtH Vs Mods was a great series. I staked multiple of my longtime accounts on it. But your attempt is embarrassing. There's no mods even active and you're still trying to start a revolution.

Appreciate the feedback Philly

A broken car is still a broken car regardless of if you give it a fresh paint job.

We need to fix the site before worrying about what colour to paint it.


Voting power has been a good thing as it stops hate voters and general poor voters from stopping the best verse winning a battle.

If you were in a battle, and lost two votes to three, but your two votes were from respected members and the other three from new signee's you'd most likely be very unhappy.


Still with the activity level atm perhaps a voting power reset wouldnt be a bad idea?

You're trying to do a valet service on a car with no engine.

Okay yous are gonna sucker me into it. This is how to get LB jumping;

1. Get LB off of X. This requires someone with absolutely no business acumen buying a site for too much money from a guy who doesn't care about it. Oh did I mention that LB operates at a loss? Yeah you're gonna have to pay monthly server fees for nothing in return. Awesome.

2. Delete everything. Seriously LB's only positive is it is SEO'd and some people have knowledge of it. LB is basically Bebo. When Bebo comes back, people are gonna be interested because the name is known and they have some good memories of it.

3. Pivot to video (lol). Change this shit to a Tik Tok style rap battle mobile app. LB worked because back in the day everyone was scared to show themselves. The anonymity of the internet was great. But in 2021 everyone is confident af and happy to put themselves on video. Whenever guys like KSI run competitions to get on his new song, they get hundreds of extremely talented people responding. Do that with a rap battle app.

4. Get a few stacks together through ads or patreon or something and get Conceited back for one of the battles. Go ridiculously heavy on his history with Letsbeef's old site. Basically use him as a site ambassador. If it seems to generate a buzz, get Trip C on board too.


No one's joining a text battle website anymore. The kids today watch 10 minute content at a maximum and consume all their information from 120 or whatever twitter characters. No one has the attention span to sit down and read a text battle, or post on a forum. Audio is pretty lame too. Everyone's all about video these days, and not some "Upload your YouTube video and embed it on the site" shit.

But yeah, LB is gone. The model doesn't work now. People barely even use "websites" anymore. You gotta keep shit with the times and a text battle forum website isn't cutting it in 2021.

Love you bro and I hope you know that so dont take this the wrong way. But I noticed you're only responding to those who's wither agreeing with you or won't put up a strong debate with you. You're shying away from the fact that there needs to be a new website as a whole or something VERY mobile friendly.

A broken car with a fresh paint job makes no sense, true but I won't know it's broken until I actually try to drive it. We need a new car as a whole. 0 miles on it. We can't keep touching up the 03 malibu with the same motor pretending it's going to last forever. You being one of the smartest guys on here should know that. Minimizing forums, worrying about who's deleting accounts, etc that's shit current members care about. No new members will give a damn if Punk deleted today. That's not gonna make him leave/stay.

You're original message is to make LB "look more appealing". You don't think changing the 2006 look makes the site look more appealing but removing a few categories do?

Letsbeef is running off of Vbulletin 3.8.... There's a whole 4 and 5. We're windows XP compared to Windows 11. Even if we wanted some new creative shit, we are very much limited because our current version does not support today's PHP.

https://i.postimg.cc/90K8tt5Y/Screen...850-Chrome.jpg

All I'm saying is, we gotta realize that the forum days are over and we need to start evolving while we have a name still. There's a handful of guys who kept our name alive throughout the discord community (which Barzooka & I pushed to become what it is today then came along everyone else.) There wouldn't have been a Coronation card if we didn't eliminate tinychat and bring all of our issues and convos to a discord that wasn't active for a year.

The discord was POPPING while the site was completely dead. Why? Because it's today's form of communicating and battling online.

And also with account deletions. Yes some of us has done it. It's no different than when staff members disappear out of the blue leaving duties behind. (Not saying you) just saying literally no one complains about things like that. We all pick and choose.

There hasn't been a site leader here ever from my understanding. Most guys tske over for a couple of months, then they tire out fall back.

Look at everyone who's viewed the thread and look at everyone who's commented. It's mainly the new guys responding because the old heads understand where this thread is gonna go. Which is inside of the big ol archive of LB ideas that never gets done with the rest of them.

Me? I'm stubborn with nothing to do so I'm always here to give my ideas and feedback whenever anyone asks regardless of if it gets done or not. I just enjoy the conversation.

Like I said, you're my guy, you know it. That won't change. But come on bro. I'm sure you're not over there rocking the iPod nano because it has a touch sensitive bezel instead of just downloading Spotify.

No matter what you guys do I hope you all find a way to make this place work once again. Don't ever stop doing what you all love to do regardless of how dark things may seem to be. 🖤

Im just trying to be realistic.

No-one on this planet is putting money into LB how it is right now. So lets make changes based on what we have NOW. Streamline the shit out of this place and once that is done we can try to build up to what we need to.

Bottom line is that this place does NEED a new site, it absolutely NEEDS to be mobile friendly, and it NEEDS £$£$'s of promotion but realistically that is NOT happening with the traffic the site has now.

BUT if we can make changes with what we have and push the numbers up, then getting to the next stage (new site/app, promotion etc etc) becomes a lot more viable.

Its either this or close the site, im willing to give it a go tbh.


And im only ignoring SKePTiCaL EtH because if you do he becomes PRoDuCTiVe EtH which is what we need right now :D

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Just a question, in 6 months when RULE gets bored (I'm being nice with 6. NOBLE will have left 5 months previously) and the site clearly is in absolutely no better shape, how are you guys going to spin it that it was because of my negativity?

If I was ever wrong about any of this shit I'd fucking love to admit it. If I ghost and in 6 months this place is fucking booming that'd be awesome. But we all know nothing is gonna change, so at what point can I gloat about being right?

X gotta sell the site or hand over the reigns to some coding ass mfs is what this boils down to

We've had a bunch of threads like this over the yrs. mfs sending e-mail blasts to old & inactive members, re-organizing forums, crew drafts. all that shit is cute and revives the site for a month or 2 but unless something major happens we'll always have these peaks & dips in activity..mostly dips because the majority of ppl that know about LB found out yrs ago and we're not gettin any younger here. the functionality of the site isnt what's sustaining it anymore, it's the 25 ppl that still care to log in that sustain it.

I'm not being sarcastic when I say that I hope you guys find a way to revive this place and make shit work again. Battle rap is just simply not for me anymore but at the same time it'd be pretty sad to watch everything here go to waste.

I dont know if it's a secret or somthing but Psuedo is running shit now. PRetty sure he payign the server bills too. You guys should get back on discord in the staff server an all have a chat. Between Rule Noble Eth an Punk theres some dope ideas in here. Voice of reason out

Welp another conversation about fixing LB comes to an end

Grand opening grand closing

*9 Days :p

damn.. LB on its last legs.. shits been like this every year..

Don't worry v4 is coming soon

Im still here, England's run in the Euros has kept me busy tho :D

Here is an idea, Tinkering with the points system, this can increase virality and engagement,
the only way you can get points is by winning battles and voting.
If you have a system where you have another element of gaining points not just voting but also adding disputes, you might say what are disputes, that is what a moderator can decide. Lets say you go to a battle and sure there may be a battle with 6 votes, and more then likely 6 comments, it can be more to it then that, well if one person can get disputes in their comments, not between the battlers but between commenters, saying this is why I think he won, this is why I think he lost, this is why I think this bar is better then this bar, and so on and so forth It will make the engagement go up, that will make their votes go up, overall gaining them more points. So when you look at the battles it says Votes, Comments. I think there should also be a Disputes, added to there. The disputes can be added to the points system to where if a battle has 7 votes 24 comments and 3 disputes, the battler who wins can get more points then if the battle had 0 disputes. This can also add to a battlers notoriety, and might change the way the site views battles. If they have 6 battles with 70 disputes, there points should be sky high so that they are the top of the ranking list, even higher than battlers with 40 or 50 battles. this will make more and more people want to battle them also increasing engagement. If a person has 3 battles 0 losses and 300 disputes on battles, this will make that person a top battler. It means the way they structure their bars is more entertaining and brings out a bigger audience or crowd, generating more of a buzz and noise, if you see a battle with a ton of disputes you are probably going to want to check it out and add your input. Another idea I think is less exciting but is still worth mentioning, recording those stats for display on profile and forum post, so it would say disputes on battles: underneath the join date. you should also be able to hide that if you want too.

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yea i dont think this should be a proposal, this should just be done. get rid of the dumb shit that isn't used.

One other thing I was thinking about is all the unused accounts that have been made taking name availability away from people. I think anyone who hasn’t accessed their account in over 10 years should be deleted. Again for names sake and less clutter when trying to create closed battle.

I agree with the titles thing. Strip all titles but I’d keep GC and HOF and Staff

GC was the only title to win back in the day. And moving forward it being the main tournament every year users should be able to retain their GC titles ..

I got some other ideas as well but it’s all along the same lines as what you’ve stated rule

Yall better not touch my fucking titles lmao

And if you got the appetite to touch my titles, you better get the taste out ya mouth

why?

Ngl I've been bitching about having a "Spring Throwdown" title but this dude legit the LB Winter Olympics champion lmao

10. wtf is this shit? https://twitter.com/letsbeef

all LB social media is ass, and not ran properly, and i know that for a fact, i used to help run the lb fb and the people with control of it before me used it to self promote. AKA STOTTY FUCKIN PIMPIN who is a known clown.

the twitter is a fucking battle feed, and do we even have a tik tok? insta? are we on reddit? what the hell is going on with the youtube?

TLDR: without x to say no to everything, lets get shit done with lb social media.

Or, counter point, everyone acknowledge how fucking dumb they are.

This is a thread by a guy who proposed a tonne of changes after coming and bounced a day later. You're doing the same shit. You can't just rock up and be like "Yo why aren't we doing this or that". Where the fuck were you during that time? Same place you'll probably be next month.

People come back, have a month of productively demanding everyone else does it, and then bounces.

Without an owner we can't do shit. We KNOW that. We tried LBTs, FVCs, Drafts and whatever else. Shit still died. Only the owner is saving it and your month with a raging semi wont save LB.

i mean i dont care if rule ghosted lmfao, there like 10 mods, any one can make these changes.

I was replying to your last post.

Ive already explained why everything in the thread was absolutely pointless before.

Mods can't help the site. Mods can only give the site a lil nudge to see if the body is still breathing. We can't get him/her to wake up and be active.

We can't change this old design, we can't add new features, we can't do anything but run tournaments.

Im still around, just dont wanna mess too much until we have an agreement.

Been doing some forum culling, its long work tho tbh lol.

HOF moved to one forum and live battles forum made inactive.

So sick of clicking on newest threads and seeing those shitty URL / Smack vids.

dope. and yea i'll hit you up when those battles start btw.

Don't forget to color that Legacy HoF Section :D

Smack / URL gets the most views in battle rap.

To run a battle rap site, we need to get battle rap fans attention.