LBT/LBA King totally defeat the purpose of the interchangeable title. I think they should be scrapped. Want an LBA/LBT title? Win it and keep it.

Imo the title should be changed to “LBA/T Legend”. Perhaps the person with the all-time longest streak could be the King, but I think having too many titles probably wouldn’t work.

I absolutely don’t think you can strip past titles, especially Esso and Seul’s because they both relinquished the belt after an undefeated streak of 7 after being told that would get them the permatitle. Perhaps if Rai and RULE want to have other events to legitimise their titles that’s cool.

I don’t think the current criteria need to include all past Legends/Kings though. Plenty of other titles have had changing criteria over time (i.e. GCs used to only be for exclusive members), the title is just for who met the conditions at the time. Going forward, I think it should be 7 or 10 consecutive defences. Don’t mind which.

Why can't you? 1.) They're just usertitles, having them removed doesn't negate what you did for them. 2.) All kinds of usertitles have been stripped in the past under situations like this. Contest titles, custom usertitles, etc. 3.) What's the point of an interchangeable title if you're forced to give it up after x number of defenses(which was the initial premise of the LBT/LBA King. x number of wins, relinquishing the LBT/LBA title, and getting the "King" title.)

Honestly, do away with LBT/LBA King, and let people hold the LBT/LBA titles for as long as they can. It makes it more enthralling when that person is unseated.

I never liked this title to begin with. But, I can see why we honored ILLo's run the way we did. That's why I say if anything, we make that LBT/A King title ultimately interchangeable and an end game for the PPV circuit if you put on a great run. 7 defenses = a battle with the current LBT King to see who's really king.

Also, to avoid no-shows in the future, just make the loser of the title contender match a fill in.. Or whoever's 1 or 2 in that league according to record.

Why the fuck is yearly public poll to determine the kings even an option? What a terrible idea tbh

Cuz guts lol

you are a gentleman, and a scholar. appreciate it.

So zero resolution?

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Here’s my problem. So you guys want to strip Esso, Rai, RULE of their titles. Cool, so how exactly am I expected to convince these guys to battle in the future? What can I possibly bring to the table to convince these guys that “Oh hey, you know the permanent title you won? Boop, it’s gone” and still have them compete? If you’re removing some of my most active guys of all time, what next?
I had my own workaround and resolution for LBT, and everyone is against it. At that point, if I’m unable to independently make those decisions without a 50 page thread, it does make me turn away from LBT quite a lot. How many more times will I be tasked with solving issues that previous runners created? How many times am I gonna feel held back by the popular opinion of this stuff?
So honestly, I’m not sure I want to run LBT. When I took it on, I didn’t realize you guys had been changing the rules every 2.5 seconds to fit your favoured champion. When you have clearly defined rules, I didn’t know you guys decided to change these rules every 2 seconds and with that being the case, what do I do? Do I fuck everyone over by just deciding for myself? Do I fuck over the ex champs by stripping them of their permanent titles?

It’s immediately dejecting me from what I wanted to take place, so much so that it’s gonna be a slog to get it running.

I’m not sure what I want to do. My number one reason to want to continue LBT is because Kiwi just won the title. That’s huge man. He beat Shodan completely clean. I love that this happened in my first event. But other than that, the whole thing has been run so badly in the past that most of my job has been cleaning up bullshit from other people.

So I dunno. There’s not an entire point to this. I do want to run stuff and think we could have a lot of fun, but it’s also a bit of a bore trying to fix someone else’s stuff. A bit of me wants to start again with a new event, based on my old idea of having tonnes of different champions in different divisions, such as having a US Champ, an Interncontinental Champ, HW Champ, LW Champ, Tag Champs etc. but as always I need people invovled and tbh the people that I need to battle are the same people making me sick of running the LBT already.

You guys have made such a mammoth huge deal out of the one battle from my second LBT event, it’s just a headache that’s bored me already.

option 5

If Esso and Rai have reached 7 consecutive defenses they can battle vs illo. I don't think most of them will have much of a problem losing their title. If they want a permanent title they can just win tourneys

Esso
1x LBT Champion
8 Wins (1 Via No Show) - 0 Losses

Battle Record:
Vs Obey (Via No Show) - Won the LBT Title
Vs Rieper (52%) - Defended LBT Title
Vs Wonderbred (67%) - Defended LBT Title
Vs CakedOut (86%) - Defended LBT Title
Vs Celsius (62%) - Defended LBT Title
Vs Shodan (86%) - Defended LBT Title
Vs HomeSkool (67%) - Defended LBT Title
Vs Celsius (62%) - Defended LBT Title

Esso had 7 consecutive defences before being made to vacate the title in return for receiving the King award. If anyone's saying "ILLo is the only one who deserves the title" they need to have a look at his record. Wins over Lockhart, Celsius (twice), Shodan – those are all names that crop up high on most peoples lists of greatest textcees. Also, an undefeated 7-defence streak culminating in mandatory vacation of the title is pretty compelling to me.

So who's more deserving, ILLo or Esso? My answer is both. They were both undisputed champions for a very long time in their own day, which is the point of the LBT King/Legend title. It shows that a particular champion dominated throughout their day and reigned without being unseated. Whether that's for 7, 8, 9, 10 or whatever bouts is honestly irrelevant and pretty arbitrary, I think if we come up with a number now we should stick to it going forward but its pretty irrelevant looking back if someone was made to retire undefeated cos they probably would have won that one extra battle anyway.

I believe the LBT Legend title should not be an interchangeable one, we already have the LBT Champion for that. The point of the title is to reflect someone who dominated the belt during their era, and it makes sense there could be multiple legends from different eras. Also, given that someone only becomes eligible for one of these titles once every several years, expecting the previous winner to hang around in the woodwork waiting for literal years to defend 1 interchangeable title against someone from a different generation of textcees is totally unrealistic imo.

Rai is a different case, I think there are strong arguments for and against him having the title. By putting it on the line against ILLoKWENT I think he gives us all an opportunity to resolve this question though. If he wins, he's clearly on the level of other Legends and deserves the title. If he loses, he's agreed to forfeit his title. It's simple, and he's agreed to it (huge props to Rai for that btw).

I genuinely don't think the LBT King/Legend title is in the kind of crisis everyone's making it out to be. Until Rai was crowned, it was very straightforward: win 7 consecutive defences then you retire and get the permanent title. Once Rai vs ILLo is finished, I see no reason we can't return to this policy and just have Rai as an exception if he wins. The LBA is another story but its unclear if that will even exist going forwards so why not just focus on the LBT for now?

How about this;

I'm not stripping any permanent champs. If you guys want to, no problem, you can take over the LBT. But unless that's the case, I'm not doing it.

I'm going to make the decision of going against everyone else and go with my own option, option 1. I believe that is the fairest move going forward. RULE is the hardest done by in this, and I understand if anyone has any issues with that given our recent history, however RULE also amounted his 5 defences under unusual and controversial circumstances so "pausing" his defences at 5 and giving him the opportunity to win the other 2 is fair in my opinion.

Unless everyone has the world's biggest problem, in which case we can either shut the LBT or someone else can run it, I say Rai Vs Malishus/ILL for his 7th defence and RULE Vs Biz for RULE's 6th defence is the fairest way to run this without Esso or Seul being hit in the process.

Is everyone comfortable moving forward with this or are we shutting it down?

This whole things gotten way out of hand. Fact is, it's been a certain way for a min now, so that is the rule of thumb. Seven in a row, you're crowned King with a permanent title.

Fucking flip flopping nonsense. Did Illo have a good streak? Yes, he did. However, you can not punish others, take their titles away due to them conducting themselves in a manner of which they were instructed to do so.

So, You get 7 in wins in a row, you're crowned King. End of story. Simple.

7 defences*. Also it's unfair to Rai and RULE to put that point blank as there's potential for the circumstances to have changed after they got their titles. They need a chance to resume.

I personally strongly support this.

Yup. Lets get it popping then. @BizzyOne, murder this rUlE dude.
#LetHimKnowHowIllmaniaGoingToGo!!

When is Illmania? I was presuming LBA would be after Ill.

After? Thought LB_ was kicking off in Feb? After, Before, either way... @BizzyOne gone steam roll though dude.

All of this. What illo did was dope. That's my boy, but being rewarded for how long you keep a title, 5 years from now it'll be like 5 LBA/LBT Kings running around.

Wait.... too late there Is.

But as Chubby said above, you want a title for your LBT or LBA wins? Keep battling and hold onto your shit. There's gonna be a user title for everything soon.

Most active member, least active member, top poster, best mod

You're already going down on the statistics records page. Reward them by sending them an LB T-Shirt with their name and record on it or something.

here y'all are voting for who gets the king titles while saying "voting for who gets the king title is wack" lol.

everyone has their own opinion. i say we scrap the king title all together, or vote for who deserves it the most. that'd be like the mvp of baseball getting it automatically once he reaches a certain accolade like 50 hr or 300 so. or in football the first one to throw 30 touchdowns gets mvp right then and there. there's a reason why we vote for best actor, or for president, or for mvp, it's because there's a lot more t consider then just one achieved accolade, in this case being a consecutive streak.

^youve mentioned.

everybodies repeating themselves at this point haha. which just strengthens my perspective.

Well a decisions been made. Its the users call if they want it to continue under that decision or close kt.

change it to LBT LEGENDS, since KING seems too strong of a word for many people. and moving forward, the LBT defense streak, should be only under LBT sanctioned events, and to obtain LEGENDS status, up to the guy running it. that way noone needs to lose what they earned under previous administrations and rules.

This clown shoes shit makes me disappointed in being apart of this community

I thought losing to Seul already did that?

Fixed and correct

After being robbed so many times you just have to avoid those dangerous parts of time Bleu.

Not sure if it's cuz you're Scottish or what but idk wtf you just said. Either way y'all on some hoe shit :fyou:

THIS.


Coming from the man himself too :high:

I don't get it, first you said that you underestimated me and didn't try 100%, now you got robbed.

Shut up fool, welcome back. I'm the new man of the house. Take your shoes off at the door.