I dont think you Honestly Even Believe that

Why yall aint throw In a R&B Instrumental so he could be Comfortable

He cant kill me in no Diss track he too busy tryna write songs how his first love cheated on em and shit

Be realistic here, stop with the blind ass "I'm better than u" shit just becuse you are both rappers. I don't expect you to say he's going to beat you, but think about it.

Punk has a much better flow capability.
Punk can and has done multiple styles of tracks, showing astute versatility.
Punk has made tracks more recently and isn't rusty.
Punk isn't a herb ass Lil B with autism looking dude.

Bitch get off his Dick

First off There is no way in hell U can say he got more flow when I got more tracks with different flows

2 Bitch I got more tracks then LB allows me 2 upload U think this is where the Music stops? I got plenty more on Youtube nigga

3 Nigga Im still making tracks just cuz I aint logged in to this MF in a while dont mean I quit rapping retard

4 I already stated that you all just Compare me to random black rappers n think its funni cut that shit At the end of the day I still get pussy

5 Who the Hell are you Nigga?

This Mani / Punk beef been a Illy highlight for me so far.

First day I got back on the site Crysis was on my Dick Left this comment on my old track


Oh shit, you're dope as fuck. Props, easy 10. Hilarious how a track from 11' shits on most shit dropping in 14'
Posted By: Crysis - 2014-05-13

But when I joined Murda Muzik he suddenly hates me and I will get bodied

You just Exposed Pussy

"We make it rain on those bitches."

Real original line, there, Mani.

Lean wit it rock with it ass mufucka

Why do u continue to come at me like you gone do something pussy

U will get killed in anything Rap Related with me Just hush and go 2 sleep

Ima take the Punk route and Rap about my feelings next time Ok Princess?

Prove it.


But you won't will you?


Didn't think so. :rolleyes:

Your record not even approachable nigga gtfo

Oh, look. More talk... No action. Shocker.

Oh no is it the Illmania deadline already? Wait not til the 14th? Ok so wtf are u talkin bout Fatass???

Just wait on it

JUST WAIT ON IT!!

MIGOS!

But on the real, my diss tracks dropping soon folks XD

hol up hol up hol up


WE DEM BOIZ!!!!!

All these beats are nice. #1 or #5 though :high:

Mani Mula Illmania4 Entry

I snorted and milk came out of my nose.

I said to Subreal on chat that I hated that I was in ACs cause I'd legit have voted for SuperGuy, and know I'd have been the only one to do it. You all know me with topicals :D


Good shit Punk.

This was fun thats for the feedback good and bad from the judges! Good job Punk

Superguy.

Beat.

Was okay. middle of the road. Wasn't a bad beat but it never did anything for me. It was kinda bland and safe for my tastes.

Bars.

You suffer from what a lot of "internet" rappers do. They try to display a deep message only to end up saying a lot without really saying anything at all, through an over reliance on multi's which their skill set isn't on the same level to keep up with the heights the emcee puts on himself so it comes across as pretentious nonsense.

If you wan't to be a story teller you should start simple and work your way up to employing more "complex" rhyme schemes. I say "complex" in quotes because the vocab used wasn't complex at all. It was a lot of ABC rhyming. That can be cool when employing a bunch of multi's IF the message is clear and focused. but when it's scatterbrained it never works.

Right now you sound like every other run of the mill wanna be "deep" internet rapper only without the production that papers over their cracks and or even gets them overblown props they don't deserve.

Delivery.

Flat. Where is the emotion? the projection?

The lack of emotion added to the safe middle of the road beat choice and unfocused material just makes for a really un offensive, bland and forgettable track.

There's just nothing there that makes me want to listen. You sound like you can't be assed and if you can't be assed, why should the listener?

Make people pay attention to you, sell yourself and what it is you'e trying to say. The only way you can do that is to rap with confidence.

Also you need to practice more before you record because you tend to stretch and cram your words at different points to keep in tune with the beat.

If you find yourself forcing yourself to stay with the beat you need to go back to your bars and edit them so your not finding yourself at them points where you have to make up ground and so you're not running out of breath on say bar 4 because of something you said in bar 2 or 3.


Production.

Wasn't great but I wasn't expecting it to be. This is a hobby site. I rather judge other aspects. Quality production is a bonus so I'm not going to really make an opinion on that.

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Will get to Mani and Punk some time today.

Good shit @SuperGuy @Mani Mula @Punk

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ILLMANIA 4 Track Battle

SuperGuy Vs Mani Mula Vs Punk

SuperGuy

Judgement: Five Thoughts

"Biggest issues to me is clearly the recording quality. Mixing skills are lacking, and the overall presentation from a production point of view took away from the song majorly."

Ok lets not forget we are not recording in professional studios, as long as the lyrics are clear enough to understand recording quality shouldnt be judged , in that case who has the better mic damn near a Automatic Winner

"track was smooth, lyricwise, his delivery was on point, was gettin a lil bored tho midway thru"

"Most creative concept track-wise. I felt that the attitude and approach was very lethargic and vague, added to the atmosphere of the track but most certainly took away from the listening experience - it was more haunting than stimulating."

" i didnt get alot out of that song. to make a song like that successful its gotta be insane lyrically cus its so chilled out.. i dont think he captured that "

"The song itself, quality issues aside, was very good. I liked the aussie delivery and tone, made the song pretty unique. The content was thought-provoking, enjoyed the storytelling vibe, although the wording was a little forced in places"

So Based off Your Votes Super guy had Nice "Content" and "Story telling" and got critiqued on his "Recording Quality"


Mani Mula

Judgement: Five Thoughts

"The mixing on the hook seemed a bit off, thats the main issue that stood out to me. The delivery was very strong, and the content was impactful with the beef vibe."

"The first thing that strikes me is the hook-line "I'm walking away with a victory"... It was grazing to the eardrums due to the intense repetitiveness and monotony. It seemed to stick out like a jagged jigsaw piece."

This vote clearly covers one aspect of the track, U didnt like the Hook/Bridge but dont mention anyting else...hmmm

"Mani did what he does .. he'd have a decent shot at some mainstream success.. i agree with what you said about his hook being a lil bit off .. ive heard some great hooks from him but that wasnt one of them "

Yet another vote where all that is explained is what u dont like about the hook/bridge is this a track battle or Battle of the Hooks?

"beat was nice and agressive, delivery was dope, lyrically, definately suited for this type of crew contest.."

This is a much more detailed Vote I respect this

"Overall it just felt like the track was a little short as far as content went, i just dont think there was enough content to push this track into 'great' territory."

Another vote where u pick one aspect, Its a Diss track how much "Content" does it need, Crews were Named, Opponents were Named, the point was made...


Punk

Judgement: Five Thoughts

"Delivery on the hook seemed a little rushed to me, was kinda hurt the strength of it. There seemed to be a vocal effect on it which i think was meant to make the hook seem more preachy but came off oddly robotic."

Another vote about how much u like the Hook smh, thats one aspect of a track

"I liked the warm and enlightening feel to this track. I felt that Punk connected with his beat the most and interacted with in a way that gave it a professional appeal."


"Punk fuckin killed it .. easily the best track of the 3 imo .. that boy crazy with it .. thats the only track id listen to more than once .. hes talented .. its obvious when you listen"

Now on a "professional" voting panel some1 tell me this dont sound like a Dickriding vote, this isnt a detailed vote at all

"Some areas suffered in terms of flow and delivery, the hook being a prime suspect. "

"There was definitely a number of highlights in the verse, with the story-telling vibe working perfectly with the production."


The Verdict

Voting closed after the first four judges all voted the same way, the feeling as a group was that SuperGuy's track was held down mostly due to its recording quality, although the judges opinion differed on the quality of the content with two enjoying the theme and complexity while the other two found it to be below avergae based on similar tracks of the same type. Mani's track was widely regarded as a great radio-friendly song, although criminally short on quality lines and the hook was overall rated as below average, yet catchy. Punk's hook was equally viewed as a bit off delivery wise, but the content was praised lyrically and on a delivery level.

This Verdict Makes no Sense, This is WHY I stated there needs to be a point system or something, With different Categories, It basically states u can have a dope track but if ya recording quality aint A1 Fuck It(Superguy), If you have dope Verses but we dont like the hook/bridge Fuck yo Verses(Mani Mula), But when u get to punk u state his Hook was off(Which u all care so deeply about) but the content was dope lyrically and on a delivery level ???

I cant put my finger on what was really being Judged here , No quotes, No Strengths were really listed, No point system to compare categories...Basically what I stated would happen in my previous post happened, u got 3 different types of tracks, with 3 dfferent beats, and tried to compare them, Thats not possible, Which Is why I stated they all shoulda been diss tracks, Guys who like Topicals will see Superguy was the Winner, Guys who like Beef tracks will See Me as the Winner, Those who like positive smooth tracks will see Punk as the Winner...


Congrats to @Punk Im not taking nothing away from him

but please next Illmania develop a point system or atleast leave more detailed votes...Just C break down was far better then these Judgments ...MURDA

I THOUGHT IT WAS A TRACK "BATTLE" THO?????:confused:

^^^^^^^^.

Mani.

Beat

Not a beat I woulda personally picked because the hook sections too intrusive for a diss track. it feels like it's popping up every 30 seconds, but for a diss track it had the potential to be something killer with the Final Countdown opening and hook sections, just a shame it kinda contracts itself because it comes into play so often like I said.

A beat like Supahypes only with more personality and oomph woulda been better. Like Phils dissing benson using the Jada beat. No hooks just raw bars. Or if it has a hook section it isn't so obvious it MAKES you feel like you have drop into a hook yourself or if it does it doesn't pop up so damn often feeling like it's more hook than bars.


Bars/hook/quantity

Bars weren't really hitting as far as a diss. You really need to hit where it hurts. even throw them super low blows when making diss tracks. And that requires either doing some dirt digging or knowing your targets well from the jump.

You've been gone for a minute so I'm pretty sure you don't know Punk from adam and from what I know you've had other shit pre occupying your mind to be doing that kind of homework on him.

I get that but that will and does make your diss tracks suffer, It makes you fall back on generic material like nameplays that I'm sure you're aware have been done a thousand times over. Like the AC's air conditioner line. Or Mani Fresh lines. Especially when you've been away from battling/this site for so long.

If you don't have personal dirt to flip, don't have time to dig for it and have not battled for a long time. This is the result.

You probably woulda been better off putting ya Punk beef to 1 side and made a regular track instead because even though you haven't been battling, at least you've still been making music.

It woulda been more in your "comfort zone"


Or

You probably shoulda stuck more to the drake angle and kept it focused all while clowning what little you know about him. You coulda come up with a ton of angles to poke holes in that side of his character

THE HOOK.

This leads onto quantity, because your verses were so short and abrupt it made a hook made for small doses lose it's charm and start to grate. I know the verses were longer but it felt like you spent as much time spitting ya hook as you did the verses because they were so short. Thats great for a regular track but diss tracks are all about the verses. So in a way the hook worked against you when you take into account you had so little room to get into your stride on your verses. They never picked up momentum.

Disses are supposed to leave the listener thinking oh shit this guys really putting him on blast. To do that the verse needs to get out of first gear and gradually reach 4 and 5th. yours never got out of first.

Also going after Jack was a bad idea. especially when you had such little room to breath with the verses.


^ I guess that covers quantity too.

Delivery

It was up and down. Now I don't know if that's a mixing thing or not because it's not your flow, it's your pronunciation. It could be part mixing and part writing or just all the latter because not structuring your bars correctly can force you to mispronounce the words or slur them. which is the main problem here.

It's like 80 or 90% of the delivery is fine. But then you'd get parts of that 10 20% where you slur or it was slightly off pace and it was always at the key parts. Like when you're trying to make a play on words or right at the end of the bar after a cleanly pronounced previous bar. It kills the impact because it's hard to make out exactly what it is your saying.

I'm pretty sure you're aware of this though tbh

Mixing

Again I'm not really bothered other than if it's maybe having an effect on how your delivery comes across. Which I've already mentioned. But other than that 20% and maybe having a negative effect on the hook the mixing was straight on the verses.



Drop Punks soon and my vote

Track battle with two topical verses. K then

I'm not excusing Rule. I'm pretty sure he's aware that he coulda have been more focused on setting the ground rules for the tracks but as far as I'm aware you're not even taking part in this.

You really gonna sideline and take pot shots at him?

You know you can always organize your own tourney.

He might not have gone about it 100% the right way but at least he's making the effort and giving you guys something to do.

Or maybe I just read wrong?

first post.

1/

that was a dope breakdown

crysis trying to be relevant,nothing else.

not knockin Rule, but like i said in the beginning it would have been more interesting if everyone did a track battle diss, considering it is a crew battle. You already got a topical & i even think thats not battle worthy.

Punk did have the overall better track tho, would of just liked to see it be a diss instead, but he knew what he needed to do to take the Win.

#IMO

Critque is noted tho, if Illy 5 ever happens i might consider making it a diss track only event.

What? It wouldn't be RULE's fault if the two contestants chose to spit random topical verses, it would be the contestants. I've given RULE props on multiple occasions for this & each time it was well deserved, this is one of the most comprehensive and well thought out tournaments I've ever seen & will play a part in LB history.

And I didn't read that part of the OP, RULE, but nonetheless, I thought the topical approach was hella weak personally, though it obviously had good responses from most of you guys so it worked out for them at least. And I also like how grizz/AT can say something then I say the exact same shit and get "he's trying to be relevant" comments for it, you fuckers are on some major dick riding shit.


:high:

u tha man tho, @Crysis

ukno :high:

I typed up a long ass expo but I've been down this road before. Plus other reasons.

No point focusing on whats done.

[QUOTE=Just C;1034586]Mani.

Beat

Not a beat I woulda personally picked because the hook sections too intrusive for a diss track. it feels like it's popping up every 30 seconds, but for a diss track it had the potential to be something killer with the Final Countdown opening and hook sections, just a shame it kinda contracts itself because it comes into play so often like I said.

A beat like Supahypes only with more personality and oomph woulda been better. Like Phils dissing benson using the Jada beat. No hooks just raw bars. Or if it has a hook section it isn't so obvious it MAKES you feel like you have drop into a hook yourself or if it does it doesn't pop up so damn often feeling like it's more hook than bars.


Bars/hook/quantity

Bars weren't really hitting as far as a diss. You really need to hit where it hurts. even throw them super low blows when making diss tracks. And that requires either doing some dirt digging or knowing your targets well from the jump.

You've been gone for a minute so I'm pretty sure you don't know Punk from adam and from what I know you've had other shit pre occupying your mind to be doing that kind of homework on him.

I get that but that will and does make your diss tracks suffer, It makes you fall back on generic material like nameplays that I'm sure you're aware have been done a thousand times over. Like the AC's air conditioner line. Or Mani Fresh lines. Especially when you've been away from battling/this site for so long.

If you don't have personal dirt to flip, don't have time to dig for it and have not battled for a long time. This is the result.

You probably woulda been better off putting ya Punk beef to 1 side and made a regular track instead because even though you haven't been battling, at least you've still been making music.

It woulda been more in your "comfort zone"


Or

You probably shoulda stuck more to the drake angle and kept it focused all while clowning what little you know about him. You coulda come up with a ton of angles to poke holes in that side of his character

THE HOOK.

This leads onto quantity, because your verses were so short and abrupt it made a hook made for small doses lose it's charm and start to grate. I know the verses were longer but it felt like you spent as much time spitting ya hook as you did the verses because they were so short. Thats great for a regular track but diss tracks are all about the verses. So in a way the hook worked against you when you take into account you had so little room to get into your stride on your verses. They never picked up momentum.

Disses are supposed to leave the listener thinking oh shit this guys really putting him on blast. To do that the verse needs to get out of first gear and gradually reach 4 and 5th. yours never got out of first.

Also going after Jack was a bad idea. especially when you had such little room to breath with the verses.


^ I guess that covers quantity too.

Delivery

It was up and down. Now I don't know if that's a mixing thing or not because it's not your flow, it's your pronunciation. It could be part mixing and part writing or just all the latter because not structuring your bars correctly can force you to mispronounce the words or slur them. which is the main problem here.

It's like 80 or 90% of the delivery is fine. But then you'd get parts of that 10 20% where you slur or it was slightly off pace and it was always at the key parts. Like when you're trying to make a play on words or right at the end of the bar after a cleanly pronounced previous bar. It kills the impact because it's hard to make out exactly what it is your saying.

I'm pretty sure you're aware of this though tbh

Mixing

Again I'm not really bothered other than if it's maybe having an effect on how your delivery comes across. Which I've already mentioned. But other than that 20% and maybe having a negative effect on the hook the mixing was straight on the verses.



Drop Punks soon and my vote[

I Fucks wit this breakdown thank you this was the kind of detail I was looking for, to clear up a few things out of all the beats this the one I liked the most cuz its more of my style, however, the beat setup was weird af, its like hook, 16 bars, bridge 8 bars, hook, 16 bars...on my previous comment if u notice i had a concern about rather having a hook or not would get me scored down due to this issue, however i did my best with the options that were given to me, no other beat truly sounded diss track worthy, as u stated i dont really know anything about punk or superguy but it also wasnt a genuine beef if u understand where im coming from. I get along fine with superguy but threw a couple jabs at him and his crew out of friendly competition, the same thing for Punk, so i did the best i could with the little material i had...

its like battling a no namer(no offense) but u most rely on str8 punches and name flips cuz u dont have any personals, not to mention punk doesnt have any photos lol

but yea Rule make the next one a all diss track one, cuz it dont make sense for 3 crews to battle it out then the tracks that represent them be about random shit it should be about Illmania and why they crew is the best...which is what I attempted

Once again congrats @Punk

Rule said you can do what ever on the track so thats what people did so you guys don't need to fuss over that any more, I thought a topical would do either really good or really bad Fuck it tho! Next illmania when ever that is I will understand tracks more and take the win. :high:

a track battle isn't a diss track competition..if it were, the title of the competition would reflect that..also if it were a diss track competition, the participants would have been assigned someone to target, not a free-for-all..you take the 3 different songs and dissect them for what they are..mani dropped a typical 'lets beef' song, punk dropped a complete song..theres no comparison imo

Explain to me why a track "Battle" Shouldnt be a diss track Competition, What way have rappers always proved themselves to be better then others? Dissing right? Ok then so in a CREW "BATTLE" where the track makers are assigned to a 3-way Battle how is that not a "Target" you got 2 opposing crews and 2 main targets

The fucking site is called "Lets Beef" yet you act like my approach was wrong... yall like to praise Tracks that dont even throw a jab but your in a Crew Battle LMAO just admit that it was the safe route even tho im sure you all see he Punk OBVIOUSLY stated he was dropping a "Diss"

Guess that diss turned out to be "Thank the Lord" :high:

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