Stop tryin to make ya self relevant.. Nobody respects ya spit game... Don't make me accept one of those horrible recordings that you sent for the tourney ... I don't blame you for sendin 3 all of them shits was terrible

Sounds like someone has some feelings. Also a love of Straw Man.

Anyway, that title means nothing, voting on audio topicals is the least educated on the entire site. I got the topical vet votes. You got some randoms, most of whom have never topical battled before and barely scratched out a 55-45. Grats.


I'll battle you in any format you want though *yawn* :high:

They're all the same verse. :S @M-Rock

@Just C but how played is Thawed out/thought out wordplay?

If it don't mean nothin them why cry about it in the chat

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[QUOTE=Victor Mancini;948693]They're all the same verse. :S @M-Rock

I know... All residing on different levels of bad

I may have done so, but I don't remember what you're even talking about.

And if you could kindly stop dodging the majority of the content in the comments I'm directing at you it would be swell.

Appreciate the realness C... No hard feelings ova here this shits all in good fun

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Press record ... Then talk to me

Err.....what? You challenged me and then tried to talk more shit and then told me to send you a battle.

This whole 'beef' thing seems to generate spontanous down syndrome in certain individuals who were otherwise normal and average in every way.

I'm out, I've got shit to do today.

I'm honestly not feeling the whole "voters were wack" or "voters were inexperienced" angle.

@EtH is. The most well versed topical head on the entire site besides myself.

For example, I don't know what Black Book's VP is but I feel like he has a better grasp and more experience on topicals than you do (having done more by volume), yet your vote is likely worth quite a bit more than his in the basic arena.

So you probably don't feel it because you're one of the people I feel has too much power in the audio topical arena. After reading several of your votes the way you weight 'topic relation' into your voting is hard to follow and strange by normal topical standards. Not that it's wrong per se, it just doesn't make sense to me. Generally, topical heads (Across sites) come to a consensus that storyline is the most powerful piece of a topical, like punches are to a battle. Not some personal valuation of if you think the person covered the topic in the way you were looking for. Yet audio topicals here constantly lose that story aspect as voters move toward cypherlike values. Better stories are consistently losing to other aspects in a shocking fashion.

Probably touches a little close to home so hopefully that doesn't offend you as we've been on good terms, but I have some strong opinions on topical ish.

fyp

Haven't even listened yet but I can tell its murder, if it wasn't there wouldn't be so many emotions coming out in this thread. Bout to go peep this fire.

Let me ask you this... Have you once congratulated M-Rock since he defeated you in the audio topical or since he won the title? All I've seen you do since it occurred is you complaining and bashing the voters constantly and I honestly would have thought you were bigger than that.
You were always that humble guy who's always looking for elevation in text battles but when it comes to this topical ish, your ego seems to be so wrapped up that you can't even accept a loss. You got emotional the same way in the last audio topical tourney saying you lost to a battle verse. Even if that were the case and every single person who ever voted against you in a topical got it all wrong and doesn't know shit about topicals, are you that ungracious that this is how you react to losing?
You can be content in having received EtH and Black Book's votes alone if that's how you want to go out, but I highly doubt that even those two would say there's absolutely no way they could have conceivably seen M-Rock taking that battle as if the two verses were that far apart and it wasn't even close. M-Rock did a good job in that battle---you both did, and I don't think anyone would deny that.
I don't disagree with you in the notion that this site as a whole has a long way to go in learning to write AND vote on topicals, but I see all your complaints as primarily a response to losing, and it isn't a good look.

That was murder. Daaaaaaaamn!

Woooo finally a challenge, it's gettin fun. :high:

added to the crew this monday..figures


flows on point, lyrics are dope but nothing that makes me say 'wow'..youve recorded before so thats a plus, and that makes you the best artist in ACs..take that as you will

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wish your music was more consistent too

Ewwwwwww........Gotta get my mic back for this one haha...In all seriousness...Flow n shit was aight...But you know when the fire is returned you gettin murdered right?

I'm just glad someone came out with somethin decent, it won't look that bad when the response comes in

I'm looking forward to hearing the MM response though. Y'all can't let him get away with this. Lol.

My music? My Jack track shits on your entire catalog..

....I did lose to a battle verse. Go listen to it. When the judging of an event is poor it compromises the validity of the entire event. You shouldn't be able to win a painting contest by entering a sculpture. Even if it came down to an immaculate david statue vs. a kindergarten painting the painting should still win. It's the nature of the contest. So yes, I'm unhappy with the outcome of my battle but the entire tournament suffers the same issues. You want me to stop? Change the name of the tournament to "LB Cypher tournament" that'll give people way more freedom to talk about whatever they want. From all my experience, topicals are one type of thing, stories. Just like battles are punchlines.

If you wanna talk specifically about my battle with M-rock look at the storyline. His is a cypher, and a good one at that, but there's no plot. Imagine watching it as a movie, you can't because it would be a jumbled narrative with few tangible events. Give me a start middle and end. Give me a climax. Later against wiggles he did a much better job of composing an actual story, though neither came especially creative or mind blowing.

I lost to RULE in a final and though I didn't agree with the topic selection method his verse was much more engaging and smooth that mine was. Don't have much to say there, for that topic he creamed me. Had he written some babbling cypher shit, I would have complained in exactly the same way.

A basketball tournament with judges who have only played soccer holds no weight. Those with the most experience should hold the most weight in judging others in the same realm.

Just to clarify, I don't think you're an awful voter or anything of the sort, just that it doesn't make sense for you to hold more weight than BB in the topical arena, where he's more experienced and accomplished (as far as I know, maybe you've battled a lot on other sites but BB jumped over to the hardest topical league I've ever been in an wrote with those cats while I was there for a bit)


E: And I would never congratulate someone while they're trying to talk shit to me, that's just bad form :D

Thats the best you could come up with?

@EtH :D

Thanks for the props Dono. Wish we could tangle in a Topical again.


gonna give this track a listen now.

Please make the response worthy of a second strike. If it is you will be bodied individually. And don't take forever cause when huntin season week 2 starts yall will no longer have a spot on my radar.

Peeped the track. Thought the drop was dope tbh. Best crew diss so far. Cant wait to hear MM's response.

Props to @M-Rock for putting the paddles on this beef.

Dude I beat you like six weeks ago and haven't said anything to or about you until today. Yous a fuckin character

This message is hidden because M-Rock is on your ignore list.

RULE: Thanks Dono, wish we could tangle in a topical again.



That's weird, considering RULE ducked Dono in the topical title match not a month ago.

Ducked = Refusing to battle out of fear.

Declined = Chose not to cuz of a disagreement over my disappearing record.

1/

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:eek:

:popcorn:

M upside down looks like W.

Your record has absolutely nothing to do with becoming the reigning defending topical champion by defeating a guy you admittedly want to face off against.

But then again, you ARE a well known guy on LB. Record = Everything.

@Dono Maybe your complaints serve a purpose in the grand scheme of things if it helps to further educate people on how to vote on topicals.
I wasn't arguing about whether or not you actually did lose to a battle verse. It's the complaint over a loss and what I perceive as bashing the voters that I'm really not feeling, but like I said, you're one of the better topical writers on this site and you know what you're talking about (to an extent) so maybe some people are benefiting from that.
I disagree with the notion that my vote should be worth any less because I haven't written as many topicals. Whether it's text battles or topicals, the idea that someone's skills and accomplishments in that arena directly correlates to their voting skills is erroneous. What constitutes how much someone's vote should weigh is how much they understand the format, and you shouldn't presume their understanding (or lack of) based on how much weight they give to certain aspects of a topical. There is such a thing as personal preference.
That's like saying the fact that you as a fan of basketball have never played for any league should factor in and make your opinion of whether you prefer Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant any less valid. I personally at this point see the fact that you are attempting to marginalize my vote's validity as well as other voters through the tournament as a visceral response to the fact that it didn't go your way. When you lost to RULE, you in fact did complain about the topic selection process and some other things, and it just doesn't leave a good impression.
I would honestly love to see you congratulate M-Rock for his win, despite the fact that he may have been talking shit. Come on fam, you can do it! #yourebiggerthanthat

numbers dont lie..

lol --> https://myspace.com/strongevity


let me kno when youre serious, bro

Eth and I had a talk about it, at length, and the next one should go a lot smoother. Changes include a clear voting outline and several dedicated voters who are well versed in topicals. When the system is flawed how else do you change it but to 'complain'? There's no other ways to point out the issues.

It doesn't make your opinion any less valid, but should you have the same level of say in a competition as say.......Lebron? I say not. The issue comes not in preference validity, but preference weight when competition is involved.

I don't think a random fan's opinion on a call in the NBA should hold as much weight as a professionally trained referee and and I don't think a ref with just training can be better than a ref who played for years and has professional training. Does that make the fan's opinion any less valid? Of course not.

Wonder Gurl is probably still waiting for her congratulations as well. That's just not something I generally do unless I talk to the person regularly.

I wouldn't compare myself to a random NBA fan nor a referee, but whatever analogy suits you. I will continue to vote on topicals according to my understanding and honest assessment. I'll be better prepared to have my opinion disparaged the next time I dare feel inclined to vote for an opponent of yours.
Peace

I'm just saying there's different levels of knowledge and experience that currently aren't well reflected in the audio topical realm.

Part of the problem is lack of clear guidelines.

That it has come down to a personal level on both sides shouldn't impact the underlying point.

LMAO

On a serious note this isnt just ''oh you been dissed so your opinion is biased'' But this wasnt all its cracked up to be through the comments.....I mean def some ok shots thrown nice lil chime in for a warning but overall not offending in any type of way.......I'm waiting for that diss that makes me feel some type of way.....before i come out and play so step it up..

This diss alone was at least 3 times better than AT and Freezy's put together.