Someone who gets it. People are given points for effort over actual execution just because they allowed themselves to be dragged into a particular style of writing by stubborn voters and their rigid judging criteria.

By doing that you're enabling the poorly constructed writer to continue posting horrendous material (Because atleast he threw "punches") by giving him wins. The old saying "If it aint broke" (Which technically it clearly is)

All while discouraging the guy who knows his current limits so sticks to them and plays to his strengths thus producing a much more well rounded and polished cleanly written verse than his opponent, all while attacking him (in different ways that aren't punchline orientated) by handing him an undeserved loss because, "gotta throw punches"

Well thats the way I been taught and am doing and im not winning that many so....think the point is kinda invalid.

That's a bit of a flawed argument.

How does a record make my point invalid? This is something that can only be debated by looking at the battles and votes themselves. Your record in this argument means about as much as using Bnas' record as a measuring tool to determine his writing skill.

Its a give in that a better cleaner verse should get the win.but if the punches arent that strong Youll still be taking Ls regardless of how personal or complex

Against who? Everyone?


And I'm talking about very specific types of scenarios where guys are out performing (Attacking) their opponent but are losing votes to the weaker writer offering up a jumbled up mess because the loser "didn't throw punches" in the L.B sense.

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And 1 more thing. Whats this big deal with punches when over 90% of them are shit?

It aint hard to come up with this garbage.

you're the GOSSIP TYPE so keep TALKING LIKE I wont 'prove you're toothless' and lacking any SORT OF BITE once I make you 'pipe down' without a ROCK IN SIGHT /

This shit aint complex, it aint rocket science.

Yet shit much worse than that both in idea and execution of wording and flow FILLING THE BOX will get votes just ..... because thats how we do how dare you veer off the formulaic path.

You best throw a punch I don't care how much you butcher it you will conform or suffer the consequences .

I agree with you that alot of dudes cant get the wording right here. Problem is that its at a point where almost noone here can differentiate and are conditioned to vote a certain way... because contests are determined by voters and unfortunately if you continue taking heat for the way you write, you obviously will switch up even if it means sacrificing what actual polish u may have had... noone wants to be 0-15 with the most solidly sound verse... its human nature..

But alas the original point of the thread was personals vs. Random punches.. its now a different topic..

to be honest, i don't think the new voters know what punches are, and thats the problem..how are you going to base your vote on something you don't understand? sure, you mention it in your comment, but only because thats the only feedback being used at the moment

Thats my fault. I also meant what we're discussing now (execution in wording ect) It's suggested in the OP I just wasn't clear enough.

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I can relate to that. I see it all the time and think the same shit when I read peoples votes.

Give an example of both styles mentioned in the OP, please. Then I will be back with a remark on OP, and the topic at hand. Thanks.